Rapoport: Hints that Bills Are Likely to Keep Tyrod Taylor

[Hapless Bills Fan]

What if Whaley pulls off a trade for a QB? He's shown he knows the league with his player aquisitions and trades, can he get a franchise QB in this fashion? Is there one out there?

 

Todd Hundley

AJ McCarron

Chase Daniel

Aaron Murray

Mike Glennon

 

Are any of these guys capable of being the guy? All are behind established QBs but young enough to play awhile.

 

The two QB that might be available who interest me are Mike Glennon and Nick Foles.

 

Glennon is sort of the anti-Tyrod: a big guy who trends towards statue in the pocket. He's a FA though, so he gets to choose where he goes. Whaley can't trade for him.

 

Foles played out of his mind in 2013, then was injured and traded to the Rams where he played so badly they immediately moved on. That might be knock against him, except, Chip Kelly then playing for Rams. He has looked very solid for KC in glimpses this year. They owe him $10.75M this year with 0 dead cap as opposed to Smith, who costs them $7.2M in dead cap. $10.75 is a lot of backup pay, so you have to think the Chiefs would be interested in moving him. For what or for whom would be the question.

[aristocrat]

I think the tape is out and he didn't improve at all. In this league, if you aren't getting better, teams will catch up and make you look worse.

 

so his trending down is losing sammy for half the year? see what happens the 3rd season to see what the real story is

[Dorkington]

Rk				Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/G	Rate	QBR	ANY/A
1	Matt Ryan*+		69.9	4944	38	7	309.0	117.1	83.3	9.03
2	Tom Brady*		67.4	3554	28	2	296.2	112.2	83.1	8.81
3	Dak Prescott*		67.8	3667	23	4	229.2	104.9	81.7	7.86
4	Kirk Cousins		67.0	4917	25	12	307.3	97.2	72.1	7.45
5	Drew Brees		70.0	5208	37	15	325.5	101.7	72	7.27
6	Aaron Rodgers*		65.7	4428	40	7	276.8	104.2	77	7.24
7	Derek Carr*		63.8	3937	28	6	262.5	96.7	61.8	7.20
8	Marcus Mariota		61.2	3426	26	9	228.4	95.6	64.8	7.14
9	Ben Roethlisberger*	64.4	3819	29	13	272.8	95.4	66.6	6.98
10	Andrew Luck		63.5	4240	31	13	282.7	96.4	71	6.84
11	Matthew Stafford	65.3	4327	24	10	270.4	93.3	70.7	6.56
12	Russell Wilson		64.7	4219	21	11	263.7	92.6	63.1	6.56
13	Andy Dalton		64.7	4206	18	8	262.9	91.8	58.2	6.53
14	Sam Bradford		71.6	3877	20	5	258.5	99.3	59.5	6.41
15	Alex Smith		67.1	3502	15	8	233.5	91.2	66	6.39
16	Philip Rivers		60.4	4386	33	21	274.1	87.9	64.4	6.37
17	Ryan Tannehill		67.1	2995	19	12	230.4	93.5	54.6	6.27
18	Tyrod Taylor		61.7	3023	17	6	201.5	89.7	68.2	6.07

I've never been one to claim that Tyrod is the best QB. But I do think looking at last season and the season before, he's roughly average. But for argument's sake, lets take last season's stats only. Here are the top 18 QBs sorted by ANY/A. Which of the 17 'better' QBs are realistically available to us? And would they be an improvement on *this* team?

 

For ***** and giggles, here's 2015:

 

 

Rk				Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/G	Rate	ANY/A
1	Carson Palmer*		63.7	4671	35	11	291.9	104.6	8.41
2	Andy Dalton		66.1	3250	25	7	250.0	106.2	8.17
3	Russell Wilson*		68.1	4024	34	8	251.5	110.1	7.73
4	Tom Brady*		64.4	4770	36	7	298.1	102.2	7.48
5	Drew Brees		68.3	4870	32	11	324.7	101.0	7.26
6	Cam Newton*+		59.8	3837	35	10	239.8	99.4	7.20
7	Ben Roethlisberger*	68.0	3938	21	16	328.2	94.5	7.15
8	Kirk Cousins		69.8	4166	29	11	260.4	101.6	7.14
9	Tyrod Taylor*		63.7	3035	20	6	216.8	99.4	7.10

 

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by Dorkington

[Maury Ballstein]

http://m.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-Today-Taylor-receives-unsung-hero-honors/34ca7ca8-4a23-4912-a485-6f6a1417cc7e

If you want to read the tea leaves from the Buffalo Bills Politburo of Information, the uptick of positive Tyrod Taylor articles suggests he's sticking around.

Bills non commital on qb's. Nice try at keeping the Browns killer.

 

http://buffalonews.com/2017/01/25/bills-non-committal-quarterback-plans/

 

Bye bye Ty Ty. You did your best

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

 

The two QB that might be available who interest me are Mike Glennon and Nick Foles.

 

Glennon is sort of the anti-Tyrod: a big guy who trends towards statue in the pocket. He's a FA though, so he gets to choose where he goes. Whaley can't trade for him.

 

Foles played out of his mind in 2013, then was injured and traded to the Rams where he played so badly they immediately moved on. That might be knock against him, except, Chip Kelly then playing for Rams. He has looked very solid for KC in glimpses this year. They owe him $10.75M this year with 0 dead cap as opposed to Smith, who costs them $7.2M in dead cap. $10.75 is a lot of backup pay, so you have to think the Chiefs would be interested in moving him. For what or for whom would be the question.

 

But if you're a playoff team - and your starter has missed time before... It's worth it to hang onto him. Or if he's happy, negotiate and extend.

 

He looked very average against JAX in his only start this year. 180 yards passing and 3 red zone field goals... They needed 4 turnovers to win the game. By comparison, buffalo scored TDs on all their RZ attempts - including a pretty nifty TD toss to Hunter. Tyrod attempted 18 passes for 166 yards. Foles attempted 33 for 180...

 

IF we move on from Tyrod, I'm interested in Foles. But I don't think he's an upgrade.

[Wayne Arnold]

Bills non commital on qb's. Nice try at keeping the Browns killer.

 

http://buffalonews.com/2017/01/25/bills-non-committal-quarterback-plans/

 

Bye bye Ty Ty. You did your best

 

They'll probably spend the next month attempting to restructure the contract and when he refuses they'll bite the bullet and just go with it.

 

No way they're letting him walk.

[FireChan]

Rk				Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/G	Rate	QBR	ANY/A
1	Matt Ryan*+		69.9	4944	38	7	309.0	117.1	83.3	9.03
2	Tom Brady*		67.4	3554	28	2	296.2	112.2	83.1	8.81
3	Dak Prescott*		67.8	3667	23	4	229.2	104.9	81.7	7.86
4	Kirk Cousins		67.0	4917	25	12	307.3	97.2	72.1	7.45
5	Drew Brees		70.0	5208	37	15	325.5	101.7	72	7.27
6	Aaron Rodgers*		65.7	4428	40	7	276.8	104.2	77	7.24
7	Derek Carr*		63.8	3937	28	6	262.5	96.7	61.8	7.20
8	Marcus Mariota		61.2	3426	26	9	228.4	95.6	64.8	7.14
9	Ben Roethlisberger*	64.4	3819	29	13	272.8	95.4	66.6	6.98
10	Andrew Luck		63.5	4240	31	13	282.7	96.4	71	6.84
11	Matthew Stafford	65.3	4327	24	10	270.4	93.3	70.7	6.56
12	Russell Wilson		64.7	4219	21	11	263.7	92.6	63.1	6.56
13	Andy Dalton		64.7	4206	18	8	262.9	91.8	58.2	6.53
14	Sam Bradford		71.6	3877	20	5	258.5	99.3	59.5	6.41
15	Alex Smith		67.1	3502	15	8	233.5	91.2	66	6.39
16	Philip Rivers		60.4	4386	33	21	274.1	87.9	64.4	6.37
17	Ryan Tannehill		67.1	2995	19	12	230.4	93.5	54.6	6.27
18	Tyrod Taylor		61.7	3023	17	6	201.5	89.7	68.2	6.07

I've never been one to claim that Tyrod is the best QB. But I do think looking at last season and the season before, he's roughly average. But for argument's sake, lets take last season's stats only. Here are the top 18 QBs sorted by ANY/A. Which of the 17 'better' QBs are realistically available to us? And would they be an improvement on *this* team?

 

For ***** and giggles, here's 2015:

 

 

Rk				Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/G	Rate	ANY/A
1	Carson Palmer*		63.7	4671	35	11	291.9	104.6	8.41
2	Andy Dalton		66.1	3250	25	7	250.0	106.2	8.17
3	Russell Wilson*		68.1	4024	34	8	251.5	110.1	7.73
4	Tom Brady*		64.4	4770	36	7	298.1	102.2	7.48
5	Drew Brees		68.3	4870	32	11	324.7	101.0	7.26
6	Cam Newton*+		59.8	3837	35	10	239.8	99.4	7.20
7	Ben Roethlisberger*	68.0	3938	21	16	328.2	94.5	7.15
8	Kirk Cousins		69.8	4166	29	11	260.4	101.6	7.14
9	Tyrod Taylor*		63.7	3035	20	6	216.8	99.4	7.10

 

 

 

Where's Romo?

[Marty McFly]

just seems logical don't it ?

 

Yes. Logic has no place here.

[Fortunesmith]

I'm sure changing OC after week 2 of the season had no negative effect on Tyrod's performance. Trotting out your #4 WR as your #1 for a good part of the season is also a non-factor. In fact, all seasons exist in a vacuum for players, so it's easy to see Tyrod's play simply declined from last year.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Fortunesmith

[BuffaloHokie13]

Where's Romo?

On the bench behind Dak.

[section122]

 

 

I can't think of a single bridge guy who has ever been guaranteed that much. Or anything close.

 

Just last year Fitz was given 12 million and Bradford signed a 2 year 35 million dollar contract. Both of those were considered to be bridge guys.

 

You really need to look around the league for what the contract pays and where that places him. On the face of 40 million it seems extreme until you see that it puts him as the 17th highest paid QB.

 

He's trending down. He regressed in almost every category this year. Ignoring that would be indicative of an agenda.

 

Ignoring the absence of Watkins for the majority of the year and the abysmal receiving corps in general would be indicative of an agenda...

 

Where's Romo?

 

Didn't qualify obviously. Even if Dak hadn't planted him on the bench he wasn't healthy enough to return until week 10. Romo has played in 5 games in the last 2 seasons, will be 37 at the start of next season, and hasn't played a full season since 2012. How can anyone think he is reliable enough to lean on as a bridge? It's over for Romo.

[FireChan]

Ignoring the absence of Watkins for the majority of the year and the abysmal receiving corps in general would be indicative of an agenda...

 

 

Didn't qualify obviously. Even if Dak hadn't planted him on the bench he wasn't healthy enough to return until week 10. Romo has played in 5 games in the last 2 seasons, will be 37 at the start of next season, and hasn't played a full season since 2012. How can anyone think he is reliable enough to lean on as a bridge? It's over for Romo.

Unless Sammy was telling TT at the line the defense is showing Cover 3, I don't see how it matters.

[hondo in seattle]

Not to mention the advantage Tyrod gives to the run game. And he never turns the ball over. And the ability he has to make something out of nothing.

 

Tyrods a clear cut better option then Foles.

 

Some Bills fans seem to have an issue with the cap hit..... which will look like nothing relative to other starting QBs and the cap increase this time next year.

 

I can't say I'm a huge TT fan but I do think his contributions in the run game are sometimes underestimated. We led the NFL in rushing and ypc. Not only was TT's 500 or so yards a part of that, so was his presence in the backfield. Roman drew up, and Lynn play-called, a scheme that made use of TT as a running threat. Even when the D loaded up the box, the defensive players often played cautiously, indecisively with multiple running threats in the backfield. DEs had to play contain even when they say Shady going up the middle... In short, Shady and MG were more productive because they were playing alongside Tyrod.

 

 

Did this offset the plays Tyrod failed to produce with his poor vision and accuracy. I don't know? But the fact we averaged 27 points per game when TT was under center and Lynn was calling plays suggests that it did.

Edited January 26, 2017 by hondo in seattle

[Dorkington]

 

Didn't qualify obviously. Even if Dak hadn't planted him on the bench he wasn't healthy enough to return until week 10. Romo has played in 5 games in the last 2 seasons, will be 37 at the start of next season, and hasn't played a full season since 2012. How can anyone think he is reliable enough to lean on as a bridge? It's over for Romo.

I agree with this. He'll probably given a shot at starter somewhere, but frankly I think he's best suited as a good backup behind a good young starter. Buffalo and Romo just wouldn't mix.

[jeffismagic]

For those who think the Bills "are close" what is the acceptable amount of wins for Buffalo next year? What is the minimum standard for success paying a QB about 30 million over the next 2 years?

 

Just wanted to understand the thought process.

 

If Tyrod wins 6 games was it worth the investment? Is 8 and 8 the standard?

[PolishDave]

For those who think the Bills "are close" what is the acceptable amount of wins for Buffalo next year? What is the minimum standard for success paying a QB about 30 million over the next 2 years?

 

Just wanted to understand the thought process.

 

If Tyrod wins 6 games was it worth the investment? Is 8 and 8 the standard?

 

Rating a Qb on wins and losses as the primary way to measure him is pretty silly in my opinion.

 

The quarterback (whoever it is) should be judged relative to other quarterbacks in the league as well as relative to the other major factors affecting his play - like the rest of the team he is surrounded with.

[BuffaloHokie13]

For those who think the Bills "are close" what is the acceptable amount of wins for Buffalo next year? What is the minimum standard for success paying a QB about 30 million over the next 2 years?

 

Just wanted to understand the thought process.

 

If Tyrod wins 6 games was it worth the investment? Is 8 and 8 the standard?

I don't understand why you are trying to correlate team wins with a QB's salary.

Over the past 2 years the Saints have paid Drew Brees $41.05M, and they have won 14 games total. Clearly this means you wouldn't want Brees as a QB, right?

The Chargers have paid Phil Rivers $37.67M over the past 2 years for 9 wins total. Clearly he is a mess too.

Edited January 26, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13

[Gugny]

I don't understand why you are trying to correlate team wins with a QB's salary.

Over the past 2 years the Saints have paid Drew Brees $41.05M, and they have won 14 games total. Clearly this means you wouldn't want Brees as a QB, right?

The Chargers have paid Phil Rivers $37.67M over the past 2 years for 9 wins total. Clearly he is a mess too.

 

This would be fun .... take every starting QB and divide his 2016 salary by the number of games won during said QB's starts.

 

I'm not doing it, but it would be cool to see how much each team paid per win.

[BaaadThingsMan]

For those who think the Bills "are close" what is the acceptable amount of wins for Buffalo next year? What is the minimum standard for success paying a QB about 30 million over the next 2 years?

 

Just wanted to understand the thought process.

 

If Tyrod wins 6 games was it worth the investment? Is 8 and 8 the standard?

If the defense improves, I expect it will, and IF the offense can stay as productive there is no reason they couldn't win 10 games. A couple timely plays or defensive stops and this is a completely different conversation. TT is good enough until someone emerges, either Cardale or through the draft/free agency.

 

The results hinge on so many things that still haven't happened yet so before I see what moves are made this offseason I can't committ to anything and neither should you.

 

Without looking it up i'd be willing to bet the qb pay is commensurate with the amount of wins the team has, in most cases.

[BuffaloHokie13]

 

This would be fun .... take every starting QB and divide his 2016 salary by the number of games won during said QB's starts.

 

I'm not doing it, but it would be cool to see how much each team paid per win.

Without doing the full exercise I'd have to imagine the top 2 would be Oakland (Carr's on a ridiculously cheap rookie deal) and Pats* because Brady's paid outside the NFL's parameters so his deal is team friendly.