GG Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 16 hours ago, TPS said: @Deranged Rhino you should enjoy this piece by Escobar: http://www.atimes.com/article/heres-the-real-reason-the-us-must-talk-to-russia/ In trying to make sense of the article, what would you consider a source who was a highly placed USSR military officer, but is now an "independent" Russia consultant based in the US, who somehow still has deep insight into Russian military capabilities? And is writing freely about it? The contention that Russian navy was catching up the US in the '70s, is laughable to anyone who stepped foot on a Russian naval vessel in the '80s & '90s. Finally, in one breath, the article scolds the US military apparatus for foisting the Russian scare to drum up military spending only to warn that Russians are now much more advanced than the US in the latest technologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 They made good subs. Well, except for the reactor parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: They made good subs. Well, except for the reactor parts. They didn't make good subs until Walker gave them the technology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, DC Tom said: They didn't make good subs until Walker gave them the technology. What about Red October? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 hours ago, GG said: In trying to make sense of the article, what would you consider a source who was a highly placed USSR military officer, but is now an "independent" Russia consultant based in the US, who somehow still has deep insight into Russian military capabilities? And is writing freely about it? A member of Trump's national security team? The contention that Russian navy was catching up the US in the '70s, is laughable to anyone who stepped foot on a Russian naval vessel in the '80s & '90s. Finally, in one breath, the article scolds the US military apparatus for foisting the Russian scare to drum up military spending only to warn that Russians are now much more advanced than the US in the latest technologies. I understood Escobar's main point as the elites mistakenly want to isolate Russia as a foe, which of course helps the funding stream; however, by doing so it pushes Russia into an alliance with China, which is the real threat to the future superiority of the US. But let's argue about a minor statement related to the technology gap 50 years ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, TPS said: I understood Escobar's main point as the elites mistakenly want to isolate Russia as a foe, which of course helps the funding stream; however, by doing so it pushes Russia into an alliance with China, which is the real threat to the future superiority of the US. But let's argue about a minor statement related to the technology gap 50 years ago.... That minor statement is emblematic of the wide misses in the entire article. I can make the argument that the whole reason that US "allowed" Russia to catch up is that because over the last 20 yrs, the US military has been preoccupied with rebuilding itself to combat Chinese and asymmetric terrorist threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, GG said: That minor statement is emblematic of the wide misses in the entire article. I can make the argument that the whole reason that US "allowed" Russia to catch up is that because over the last 20 yrs, the US military has been preoccupied with rebuilding itself to combat Chinese and asymmetric terrorist threats. It's more that the US military hasn't been rebuilding itself. It's been preoccupied with trying, but the strategic and operational direction keeps swerving all over the place since the "peace dividend." Ballistic missile defense, carrier warfare, and precision bombing is basically the only consistency in defense policy. Everything else is a hash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It's more that the US military hasn't been rebuilding itself. It's been preoccupied with trying, but the strategic and operational direction keeps swerving all over the place since the "peace dividend." Ballistic missile defense, carrier warfare, and precision bombing is basically the only consistency in defense policy. Everything else is a hash. I'll defer to you on that. But everyone always overstates the role that the military industrial complex plays in the DOD budget. At the end of the day it's a massive pork barrel program for each Senator's hom state, with most of the costs having nothing to do with defense contractors, but with keeping the bases open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, GG said: I'll defer to you on that. But everyone always overstates the role that the military industrial complex plays in the DOD budget. At the end of the day it's a massive pork barrel program for each Senator's hom state, with most of the costs having nothing to do with defense contractors, but with keeping the bases open. Actually, the biggest part of the defense budget, by far, is HR costs. Recruitment, training, pay, pensions, health care. Depending on the budget request you read, anywhere from 20-50% of the DoD budget. (Biggest source of the disparity is that sometimes things like recruitment and training falls under Operations and Maintenance line items, sometimes Personnel, depending on which document you're reading.) Looking at the 2019 budget request...the requested authorization for "Cooperative Threat Reduction" is less than that for the OIG's office. Both are less than the "Workforce Development Fund." All three combined are less than the total for Environmental restoration. Almost $800M is requested for drug interdiction operations. There is a hell of a lot DoD does that isn't directly related to any sort of primary defense mission, defense contractors, or senate pork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, GG said: That minor statement is emblematic of the wide misses in the entire article. I can make the argument that the whole reason that US "allowed" Russia to catch up is that because over the last 20 yrs, the US military has been preoccupied with rebuilding itself to combat Chinese and asymmetric terrorist threats. You like to focus on the mundane. Of course, since you view Russia and Putin as evil incarnate, I am sure that you disagree with his main thesis... If the Russia-gate hysterics prevent Trump from normalizing relations with Russia, then Putin has no choice but to ally with China, which would also raise the risk of a major conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 The five names given immunity are out. Podesta not one of them (though it's not over) https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1021473211807088640 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, TPS said: You like to focus on the mundane. Of course, since you view Russia and Putin as evil incarnate, I am sure that you disagree with his main thesis... If the Russia-gate hysterics prevent Trump from normalizing relations with Russia, then Putin has no choice but to ally with China, which would also raise the risk of a major conflict. I disagree with the main thesis because it's a meandering jumbled mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDexter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, TPS said: You like to focus on the mundane. Of course, since you view Russia and Putin as evil incarnate, I am sure that you disagree with his main thesis... If the Russia-gate hysterics prevent Trump from normalizing relations with Russia, then Putin has no choice but to ally with China, which would also raise the risk of a major conflict. The hypocritical hysteria over Russia has a reason. It isn't that the hacks exposed massive cheating and lying by the Hillary campaign. It is much more about this... http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/remembering-israel-911-role/ ""Russian President Putin was getting so tired of Obama’s provocations that he was considering releasing evidence proving once and for all that 9/11 was an inside job" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The five names given immunity are out. Podesta not one of them (though it's not over) https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1021473211807088640 How the #### does Brennan get immunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Taro T said: How the #### does Brennan get immunity? I don't think it's that scumbag John Brennan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: I don't think it's that scumbag John Brennan. Gotcha. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/22/2018 at 4:41 PM, TPS said: @Deranged Rhino you should enjoy this piece by Escobar: http://www.atimes.com/article/heres-the-real-reason-the-us-must-talk-to-russia/ That "piece" is half book review, half propaganda, half wishful thinking. I'll just read the book. Maybe. I'll try...but I have a suspicion it's a mind-numbing slog of a chore. But that article is a pile of garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TPS Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 11 hours ago, DC Tom said: That "piece" is half book review, half propaganda, half wishful thinking. I'll just read the book. Maybe. I'll try...but I have a suspicion it's a mind-numbing slog of a chore. But that article is a pile of garbage. 11 hours ago, DC Tom said: That "piece" is half book review, half propaganda, half wishful thinking. I'll just read the book. Maybe. I'll try...but I have a suspicion it's a mind-numbing slog of a chore. But that article is a pile of garbage. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 hours ago, TPS said: ? I hate these new emojis. I have no idea what that's supposed to be. Sticking your tongue out? You're eating a strawberry? The Joker put a smile on your face? You have a cold sore? What the !@#$ is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 37 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I hate these new emojis. I have no idea what that's supposed to be. Sticking your tongue out? You're eating a strawberry? The Joker put a smile on your face? You have a cold sore? What the !@#$ is that? Just showing my affection for you Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, TPS said: Just showing my affection for you Tom. That doesn't tell me what it !@#$ing was. The third lick of a Tootsie Pop? Eating a crayon? Putting on lipstick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That doesn't tell me what it !@#$ing was. The third lick of a Tootsie Pop? Eating a crayon? Putting on lipstick? He's blowing you a kiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, westside said: He's blowing you a kiss That's what that piece of **** graphic is supposed to be? I prefer to think of it as eating a crayon. We've needed an "eats crayons" emoji for quite a while. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, westside said: He's blowing you a kiss as long as it's only a kiss and not something else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's what that piece of **** graphic is supposed to be? I prefer to think of it as eating a crayon. We've needed an "eats crayons" emoji for quite a while. All I could come up with is an already eaten crayon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 Big arrest: https://mobile.twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1021802232705167363 clinton connection to the sex cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 More: https://www.timesunion.com/news/amp/Three-more-charged-with-federal-crimes-in-NXIVM-13100041.php?__twitter_impression=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 52 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Big arrest: https://mobile.twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1021802232705167363 clinton connection to the sex cult. Linky no worky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Linky no worky Above link should work. Same info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/nxthompson/status/1022237357779681280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Scandal free. https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1022237440579235840 picked a bad week to go on vacation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Scandal free. https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1022237440579235840 picked a bad week to go on vacation. That !@#$ing guy. NOT an American. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Scandal free. https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1022237440579235840 picked a bad week to go on vacation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Scandal free. https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1022237440579235840 picked a bad week to go on vacation. The designation of the IARA as a terrorist agency was always a bit questionable, particularly in this day and age. But dammit Obama, you idiot...they were still a designated terrorist agency, and you funded them. It wasn't exactly a difficult situation to remedy - rescind the executive order designating them, or have Treasury and State take another look at their finances and see if the designation still applies. But no...you're such an arrogant ass that you thought all you needed was your pen and phone, and the hell with proper procedure. And who are the !@#$ing fascists again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Long read... NXIVM related. Important information, I'd like to distill it and verify more of it if I were at my home base, but that will have to wait. https://mobile.twitter.com/RyanOlah2/status/1022112574391889921 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 Twitter is in trouble, lots going on behind the scenes. https://mobile.twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1023640652209422337 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Can they impeach Trump and Twitter at the same time? That would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, donbb said: Can they impeach Trump and Twitter at the same time? That would be great. Did you forget how to find the kiddie table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, donbb said: Can they impeach Trump and Twitter at the same time? That would be great. Trolls gonna troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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