Dorkington Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 It's amazing how black and white people are on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Yes it does. Said there still is ??? With Tyrod. if they were sold on TT he would be playing option picked up and first question of new coach interview how do you continue to build with Tyrod. And you know it won't because? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 And you know it won't because? Because NOT playing him means they are worried about losing their flexibility to move on. If they were sold on him he plays and gets more reps that every supporter of his said he still needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 He's under contract - so for the people saying he "won't want to come back"... he doesn't have a choice if we pick up the option. If we cut him - Whaley had better have a realistic backup plan beyond re-signing EJ, or bringing in some cast off. There will be a drop off, and I feel like saying there wouldn't be is not realistic. The fact is - the defense let this team down. We were supposed to be good on defense, and we were not in the last 2 years. That is the reason we are where we are. You can throw a million advanced stats at me about the offense, scoring, 3 and out % or whatever. But the fact remains that our defense let this team down. We were shredded by Ajayi twice, Bell once, Carr once, russel wilson, brady, etc. 3 200 yard rushers? Allowed over 30 PPG in 8 losses? Coverage problems, miscommunication , tackling problems all season. 0 accountability. Tyrod was not even close to the biggest problem with this team as you have pointed out. Did the offense struggle at times? Yes. Did Tyrod struggle at times? Of course. This is true with all teams and all quarterbacks. However, the failure of this season overall is all about the defense. Failing to hold leads, failing to keep games close. Failing in the clutch time and again, especially in the second half of the season, and especially the last three games. Taylor will never be a pure passer and will never be any taller. He is good enough in enough aspects for this team to win. He is, at least to me, the best option in the near term while the search for a better long term option continues. Clearly they want to keep their options open and getting him hurt in a meaningless game, taking away their options, would not be smart. Clearly the new coach will have a say in this, but wishing and hoping a better option will suddenly appear from the free agent dreck available or the draft would be poor strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Tyrod was not even close to the biggest problem with this team as you have pointed out. Did the offense struggle at times? Yes. Did Tyrod struggle at times? Of course. This is true with all teams and all quarterbacks. However, the failure of this season overall is all about the defense. Failing to hold leads, failing to keep games close. Failing in the clutch time and again, especially in the second half of the season, and especially the last three games. Taylor will never be a pure passer and will never be any taller. He is good enough in enough aspects for this team to win. He is, at least to me, the best option in the near term while the search for a better long term option continues. Clearly they want to keep their options open and getting him hurt in a meaningless game, taking away their options, would not be smart. Clearly the new coach will have a say in this, but wishing and hoping a better option will suddenly appear from the free agent dreck available or the draft would be poor strategy. I dont care if he was the biggest, second biggest or whatever problem. He IS a problem and needs to he addressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I saw the topic headline and just had to click in to have my suspicion confirmed. And yes, it was started by that master of momomania, MAJBobby! But of course. And now he gets yet another thread to endlessly trash TT as the source of all that's wrong with the Bills while defying all stats and commentary that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that whatever TT's shortcomings, the real pit of incompetece was the "defensive genius" now unemployed and the revolting defense he created out of an elite one. Welcome back, Bobby. We missed you for that 30 seconds you weren't posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I am trying to figure out what the big deal is here We all knew Ryan was gonna get fired Its the last game of the season.....probably want to see if EJ is worth gettiing kept I hope they also play Logan Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 It's amazing how black and white people are on this. It's amazing how invested people are in it. It's Doug Flutie's fault. Or Rob Johnson's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) I dont care if he was the biggest, second biggest or whatever problem. He IS a problem and needs to he addressed We need 2 STARTING safeties, at least 2 lb's definitely 1 or 2 to start, probably a corner, a RT upgrade, and a couple WRs to at least field a full roster. Let's add a couple QBs to the list.... Oh and a HC who wants to work for an organization that is a complete cluster. All with relatively limited cap room because DW squandered it all on a DT for the 28th best rushing defense in the NFL, an OLB who can't sack the QB, and a safety who's neck is now held together by screws. He's wasted draft capital in ill advised trades. I like Whaley - I think he's a good talent evaluator. But when you put it like that... he should probably be fired right? We need a good HC, for ANY of this to matter. And it's not going to happen. Edited December 27, 2016 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 It's amazing how black and white people are on this. Well, here's some gray for you; the new coach may already be on board with it and will bring his own QB -but is an active coach and can't yet disclose as Draft picks and possibly players may be involved. i.e. Peyton & Brees, Pagano & Luck, McCoy & Rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 They are 7th in points and 12th in yards, but presumably you know that and just choose not to include the stats. news flash: Ryan L Ballz never has any substance to his one liner posts. props for a two liner today though....must be getting some tutoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 news flash: Ryan L Ballz never has any substance to his one liner posts. props for a two liner today though....must be getting some tutoring. His next post of substance will be his first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I am trying to figure out what the big deal is here We all knew Ryan was gonna get fired Its the last game of the season.....probably want to see if EJ is worth gettiing kept I hope they also play Logan Thomas Actually, we know EJ is not worth keeping. Starting EJ is an admission that Cardale, after a full year on the roster, is not yet capable of playing an NFL game. THAT is an inditement of Whaleys draft for Cardale. Seems to me Cardale should be ready for a developmental game...and if not, xxxxx!!! Why was he, drafted at all then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I am trying to figure out what the big deal is here We all knew Ryan was gonna get fired Its the last game of the season.....probably want to see if EJ is worth gettiing kept I hope they also play Logan Thomas ya like we dont know if EJ is good or not? maybe lets give t edwards another chance too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I think TT is at least the intermediate answer..next 3-4 year...at QB. If Bills let him go, he will start somewhere else in the league next year and do just fine. This is about cap money imho, not TT's ability to improve and be an NFL starting QB. And, the cap is whaley's mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Actually, we know EJ is not worth keeping. Starting EJ is an admission that Cardale, after a full year on the roster, is not yet capable of playing an NFL game. THAT is an inditement of Whaleys draft for Cardale. Seems to me Cardale should be ready for a developmental game...and if not, xxxxx!!! Why was he, drafted at all then? He was a 2 year project when drafted. EVERY scouting report said that. Now add the guy resonsible for development is David Lee its not hard to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 His next post of substance will be his first. Make sure to stop by after you leave the Bills to follow Taylor. It'll be interesting to see if his magical handoffs propel more runningbacks into space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 ya like we dont know if EJ is good or not? maybe lets give t edwards another chance too. Would be so OneBillsDrive like if he lights up the moribund Jets and we get a winter of EJ fanbois arguing to keep him and give him a shot to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) Would be so OneBillsDrive like if he lights up the moribund Jets and we get a winter of EJ fanbois arguing to keep him and give him a shot to start So exactly like we see with another QB after a Mia game? So i will be getting yelled at by two chuches when i say that they Are not good enough Edited December 27, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 So exactly like we see with another QB after a Mia game? So i will be getting yelled at by two chuches that they Are not good enough Ray it seems like people understood Tyrods roll in this high powered offense before the Miami game. That is people who know football.. Not the people harping on a single statistic without regard to the math behind it... R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Actually, we know EJ is not worth keeping. Starting EJ is an admission that Cardale, after a full year on the roster, is not yet capable of playing an NFL game. THAT is an inditement of Whaleys draft for Cardale. Seems to me Cardale should be ready for a developmental game...and if not, xxxxx!!! Why was he, drafted at all then? After watching Prescott, I agree. I'm pretty surprised that they don't think he's ready to play a game against a bad team at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) Actually, we know EJ is not worth keeping. Starting EJ is an admission that Cardale, after a full year on the roster, is not yet capable of playing an NFL game. THAT is an inditement of Whaleys draft for Cardale. Seems to me Cardale should be ready for a developmental game...and if not, xxxxx!!! Why was he, drafted at all then? *Indictment. But anyways... Everyone knew Jones was extremely raw when he was drafted. He has been given nothing but 3rd string reps at best. From a recent spot on WGR last week, it was said that he was basically Red Shirted this year, given a "Watch and Learn" program and didnt even get snaps during practices but rather a 15-30 minute advisory meeting after practice. The non-development of Jones this year is COMPLETELY on the coaching staff. Rex, Lynn, and David Lee. All of which need to go if the Bills ever want to get serious about developing a QB. After watching Prescott, I agree. I'm pretty surprised that they don't think he's ready to play a game against a bad team at this point. I've mentioned this numerous times in other threads, but I'll point it out again. The Cowboys coaching staff is built around QB development. The HC, OC, and QB coach are all former NFL QBs, and all former Cowboy QBs. We have a D-based HC and a RB coach who both want to Ground and Pound, and a failed QB coach... Our situation in Buffalo is more on par with the Rams when it comes to QB development, and they can't even get anything out of the #1 overall pick. Edited December 27, 2016 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Because NOT playing him means they are worried about losing their flexibility to move on. If they were sold on him he plays and gets more reps that every supporter of his said he still needs Not with the injury stipulation in the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) So exactly like we see with another QB after a Mia game? So i will be getting yelled at by two chuches when i say that they Are not good enough i mean, i thought tyrod was great after SEA too. im sorry the D can't stop Jimmy making one-handed TD catches in their kitchen. or him throwing 228 and 2/1 vs Pitt and the D letting Bell run for 236 and 3 TDs. Along with MIA rushing over 200 yards...again. there's three wins. we're 10-5 right now if the D does its job. one day you'll have the blame in the right place. DE-FENSE. Edited December 27, 2016 by quinnearlysghost88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 i mean, i thought tyrod was great after SEA too. im sorry the D can't stop Jimmy making one-handed TD catches in their kitchen. or him throwing 228 and 2/1 vs Pitt and the D letting Bell run for 236 and 3 TDs. Along with MIA rushing over 200 yards...again. there's three wins. we're 10-5 right now if the D does its job. one day you'll have the blame in the right place. DE-FENSE. Take the Pitt game out please. Tyrod had 70 yards passing thru 3 qtrs. That's a loss jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Not with the injury stipulation in the contract. So if they were sold on him like i said they would still be worried about the INJ stipulation. No they wouldnt be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Take the Pitt game out please. Tyrod had 70 yards passing thru 3 qtrs. That's a loss jack. "Yeah but you can't discredit garbage time because then you'd have to discredit everyone's garbage time"... /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 i mean, i thought tyrod was great after SEA too. im sorry the D can't stop Jimmy making one-handed TD catches in their kitchen. or him throwing 228 and 2/1 vs Pitt and the D letting Bell run for 236 and 3 TDs. Along with MIA rushing over 200 yards...again. there's three wins. we're 10-5 right now if the D does its job. one day you'll have the blame in the right place. DE-FENSE. Wait pitt QB had the ball in his hands to win a gAme he did it. Ours didnt so blame defense got it. And again dont know how many times i have to say it defense is a problem and needs to be addressed. THAT DOESNT MEAN the QB is not a problem i mean, i thought tyrod was great after SEA too. im sorry the D can't stop Jimmy making one-handed TD catches in their kitchen. or him throwing 228 and 2/1 vs Pitt and the D letting Bell run for 236 and 3 TDs. Along with MIA rushing over 200 yards...again. there's three wins. we're 10-5 right now if the D does its job. one day you'll have the blame in the right place. DE-FENSE. Tyrod Ball in hand to win in Seattle LOST Tyrod Ball in hand to win MIA LOST 2 wins = playoffs. See still a problem. Fix the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Wait pitt QB had the ball in his hands to win a gAme he did it. Ours didnt so blame defense got it. And again dont know how many times i have to say it defense is a problem and needs to be addressed. THAT DOESNT MEAN the QB is not a problem Tyrod Ball in hand to win in Seattle LOST Tyrod Ball in hand to win MIA LOST 2 wins = playoffs. See still a problem. Fix the problem Tyrod ball in hand 90 yards and 4 minutes put Bills in lead. Defense-Lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Wait pitt QB had the ball in his hands to win a gAme he did it. Ours didnt so blame defense got it. And again dont know how many times i have to say it defense is a problem and needs to be addressed. THAT DOESNT MEAN the QB is not a problem Tyrod Ball in hand to win in Seattle LOST Tyrod Ball in hand to win MIA LOST 2 wins = playoffs. See still a problem. Fix the problem As I've said elsewhere, saying that taylor didn't lead a 4th quarter comeback against Miami is flat-out sophistry. Don't make this argument. Please. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Wait pitt QB had the ball in his hands to win a gAme he did it. Ours didnt so blame defense got it. And again dont know how many times i have to say it defense is a problem and needs to be addressed. THAT DOESNT MEAN the QB is not a problem Tyrod Ball in hand to win in Seattle LOST Tyrod Ball in hand to win MIA LOST 2 wins = playoffs. See still a problem. Fix the problem so you're telling that if we get the exact same 2016 production out of our offense/TT, and our D was still 4th JUST LIKE REX INHERITED, we would still be in the same situation at 7-8? no !@#$ing way. you know how you help Tyrod's ability to have to pull off a game winning drive? stop letting up points in the final minutes and make him bail your ass out in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Tyrod ball in hand 90 yards and 4 minutes put Bills in lead. Defense-Lost What are you talking about As I've said elsewhere, saying that taylor didn't lead a 4th quarter comeback against Miami is flat-out sophistry. Don't make this argument. Please. Please. Your right he didnt have the ball in his hands twice in OT your right lol so you're telling that if we get the exact same 2016 production out of our offense/TT, and our D was still 4th JUST LIKE REX INHERITED, we would still be in the same situation at 7-8? no !@#$ing way. you know how you help Tyrod's ability to have to pull off a game winning drive? stop letting up points in the final minutes and make him bail your ass out in the first place. Simple is his play a problem. Can you win multiple SBs with TT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 What are you talking about Don't have crayons to draw you the necessary picture you need to understand Boooby.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 And, the cap is whaley's mess.Actually that would be Overdorf's mess, compounded by Rex's need to change the roster to implement his "genius" D scheme. If you have to diss Whaley, at least restrict it to the areas under his authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 So if they were sold on him like i said they would still be worried about the INJ stipulation. No they wouldnt be They probably want to try to restructure the thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) What are you talking about Your right he didnt have the ball in his hands twice in OT your right lol Simple is his play a problem. Can you win multiple SBs with TT? whoa, multiple SB WINS!?!??! so you want a Bills QB to achieve a feat that's only been done by 11 QBs in NFL history. you want him to go from no playoffs in 17 years to MULTIPLE SB wins. that's so delusional i can't even address it. Edited December 27, 2016 by quinnearlysghost88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) This is a reasonable take. No way they have completely moved off Tyrod as much as some would like. I REALLY hope this is the thinking. It terrifies me that the front office may be as reactionary as the fans these days and want to toss Tyrod to the curb with no better option. Tyrod and even an average D would be in the playoffs this year. How do so many people seem to miss this? Edited December 27, 2016 by DC Grid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 What are you talking about Your right he didnt have the ball in his hands twice in OT your right lol ??? The freaking kicker missed a kick most kickers don't miss in OT after the Bills moved down the field. And the second time they had it, they started at the 2. Give it a rest, man - you're digging an even deeper hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Don't have crayons to draw you the necessary picture you need to understand Boooby.... Got it cool. Can you dispute Ball in Tyrods hand twice in OT for the win And well wasnt clutch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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