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I think they truly don't know yet and can't risk it one way or the other. It will matter who the HC is, who the OC is, and what they want to do at he position. Tyrod might end up being their best option still

This is a reasonable take. No way they have completely moved off Tyrod as much as some would like.

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This is a reasonable take. No way they have completely moved off Tyrod as much as some would like.

And being benched is just a sign of confidence right?

 

And a sign of how of course they are picking up the option as some would like

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I don't think it guarantees that Tyrod is gone, it just guarantees that the Bills have the option to move on, if the new HC isn't feeling it.

 

Personally, I don't think Tyrod is 'the guy', but he is talented, and better than anyone else we have available to us right now. Unless we're feeling *really* optimistic about a draft pick or Cardale, I could see him returning.

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And being benched is just a sign of confidence right?

 

And a sign of how of course they are picking up the option as some would like

I think it's a sign that they aren't committed to this contract. They may want input from the new HC or they may want to renegotiate in order to keep him but at a more team friendly rate. They still have no other options at QB as of now. Covering their bases. This makes sense.

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I think it's a sign that they aren't committed to this contract. They may want input from the new HC or they may want to renegotiate in order to keep him but at a more team friendly rate. They still have no other options at QB as of now. Covering their bases. This makes sense.

I know it does. It is the right move. Actually should have been made three weeks ago but i get it some mathematical chance still in playoffs not gonna do it.

 

But does tell me two things

 

1. Not has happy with Tyrod as some think

2. Not sold on Lynn either

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And being benched is just a sign of confidence right?

 

And a sign of how of course they are picking up the option as some would like

It's a sign that they probably are hedging their bets. Depending on who the coach will be, the OC, etc. Of course they don't want him getting hurt before those pieces are in place and being stuck paying a guy who the new coach doesn't want. Tyrod's future in Buffalo is on the fence.

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2 seasons. 26th and 31st in passing.

 

What else do you wannna see ?

Personally, I think something like ANY/A from Profootball reference is a better indicator of production. Just measuring total yards doesn't really tell you everything, since two equally talented QBs could be ranked different depending on play calling.

 

ANY/A rankings have Tyrod at 9th and 19th, averaging out to just about average. Which, the eye test tells me lines up. This year is down, imo, partially due to missing WRs for multiple games, especially deep threats.

 

Do I think Tyrod is a guy who can carry a bad defense? No. Do I think he is a guy that can win with an average to good defense? Yes.

 

We have talent on the defensive side (at least I think so). If our new DC can convince the FO that the defense will improve, I could see Tyrod coming back.

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I think it's a sign that they aren't committed to this contract. They may want input from the new HC or they may want to renegotiate in order to keep him but at a more team friendly rate. They still have no other options at QB as of now. Covering their bases. This makes sense.

Only makes sense to you CoT guys and goes against everything you guys have been preaching and justifying as to why to keep TT.

 

A little butt hurt I can see

 

TT is bad and everyone knows it except Rex and the CoT.

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I know it does. It is the right move. Actually should have been made three weeks ago but i get it some mathematical chance still in playoffs not gonna do it.

 

But does tell me two things

 

1. Not has happy with Tyrod as some think

2. Not sold on Lynn either

I agree with both points, but don't find either of them damning to TT or Lynn. Just precaution.

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Only makes sense to you CoT guys and goes against everything you guys have been preaching and justifying as to why to keep TT.

 

A little butt hurt I can see

 

TT is bad and everyone knows it except Rex and the CoT.

Arguably, Tyrod is pretty average. Good at some things, bad at other things, overall pretty average. There's a good chunk of starting QBs I'd take Tyrod over. There's a good chuck of QBs I'd take over Tyrod.

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Personally, I think something like ANY/A from Profootball reference is a better indicator of production. Just measuring total yards doesn't really tell you everything, since two equally talented QBs could be ranked different depending on play calling.

 

ANY/A rankings have Tyrod at 9th and 19th, averaging out to just about average. Which, the eye test tells me lines up. This year is down, imo, partially due to missing WRs for multiple games, especially deep threats.

 

Do I think Tyrod is a guy who can carry a bad defense? No. Do I think he is a guy that can win with an average to good defense? Yes.

 

We have talent on the defensive side (at least I think so). If our new DC can convince the FO that the defense will improve, I could see Tyrod coming back.

 

This is probably the correct take. Tyrod can appear, especially on paper, to be a very average QB. He is a super athlete which can help him trend upwards in many situations, but he's been virtually incapable of rising when the going gets tough. I think overall he is a very flawed QB that could be hidden well on a great team. He does enough and is safe to the point where you can never outright blame him for losses. He just never does enough to take credit for the wins either.

 

I think the Broncos would have made the playoffs with Tyrod, but I also think the Browns would still only have one win with him.

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EJ starts Sunday.

 

Doesnt scream well for Tyrod option

kdiggz started a topic on this almost 20 minutes before you but you had to start a new one since you have an unhealthy obsession with TT. Please tell me what this adds compared to what kdiggz had in his thread?

 

I hope you find the help you need in this upcoming new year.

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This is probably the correct take. Tyrod can appear, especially on paper, to be a very average QB. He is a super athlete which can help him trend upwards in many situations, but he's been virtually incapable of rising when the going gets tough. I think overall he is a very flawed QB that could be hidden well on a great team. He does enough and is safe to the point where you can never outright blame him for losses. He just never does enough to take credit for the wins either.

 

I think the Broncos would have made the playoffs with Tyrod, but I also think the Browns would still only have one win with him.

Yeah, it really comes down to being reasonable about our options. A good QB isn't exactly common, there's what 10? in the league, maybe? So if one isn't clearly available, and you have the cap space, then why not keep Tyrod... unless you are expecting the defense to stay horrible, or are planning to completely tank.

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They are 7th in points and 12th in yards, but presumably you know that and just choose not to include the stats.

EJ led Bills in this designed offense also avgs 26 ppg

kdiggz started a topic on this almost 20 minutes before you but you had to start a new one since you have an unhealthy obsession with TT. Please tell me what this adds compared to what kdiggz had in his thread?

 

I hope you find the help you need in this upcoming new year.

And if they move on and the next QB is bad dont worry i will call him out routinely too

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Arguably, Tyrod is pretty average. Good at some things, bad at other things, overall pretty average. There's a good chunk of starting QBs I'd take Tyrod over. There's a good chuck of QBs I'd take over Tyrod.

Not me, as it seems you need to have the #1 rush attack for him to be average at best. How bad would he fail if he was asked to try and have an average pass attack and not settle for second last? Or if the record setting rush attack over the last 25 years wasn't his friend and covered a lot of his faults?

 

I don't think he gets any interest for a starting QB job, backup, sure not starter.

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Um, no. The Bills had a defensive TD against the Jags. Please factor that in before making more stuff up.

ANd your factoring out the defensive scores here too? For Tyrods scoring offense?

 

Cause if you are it is Not 26 ppg like people want to claim

 

So do that before making more stuff up

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I don't mind this as I agree with the flexibility angle.

 

I would however prefer Cardale to get this start. I understand he is being "redshirted" but EJ is gone after this game. Starting him doesn't do anything developmentally for this team. I don't think it matters who the Bills trot out to start I think they beat the Jets as that team has entirely folded so I don't think the tank this game idea holds any water.


 

Shhhhh...the excuse flood gate is wide open. Don't you understand? EJ is terrible (was 2-2 when pulled), and Tyrod is fantastic but had no help (was 7-8 when "pulled").

 

I might be the last person on the EJ bandwagon.

 

I think he got screwed here. I still can't believe that his Bills career basically ended in that Texans game when the refs missed a clear PI and the ball was intercepted. He had no QB coach his first year and then got the great David Lee ( :rolleyes: ) along with Hackett to help him. I wonder if he can get it together on a team with a real coaching staff...

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ANd your factoring out the defensive scores here too? For Tyrods scoring offense?

 

Cause if you are it is Not 26 ppg like people want to claim

 

So do that before making more stuff up

The Bills have had two-count-em-two defensive scores this season. I think that could be a league low. Look at Bobonators post for the actual facts.

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I might be the last person on the EJ bandwagon.

 

I think he got screwed here. I still can't believe that his Bills career basically ended in that Texans game when the refs missed a clear PI and the ball was intercepted. He had no QB coach his first year and then got the great David Lee ( :rolleyes: ) along with Hackett to help him. I wonder if he can get it together on a team with a real coaching staff...

 

EJ was definitely screwed here.

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Um, no. The Bills had a defensive TD against the Jags. Please factor that in before making more stuff up.

Argued this with him in another thread. According to the major - it doesn't matter that EJ averaged 2 turnover each game or that we were getting blown out in each game heading into the fourth or that it's a sample size of 2 games.

 

Never argue with a fool. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

EJ led Bills in this designed offense also avgs 26 ppg

 

And if they move on and the next QB is bad dont worry i will call him out routinely too

As per usual you don't answer the question at hand. You should get into politics.

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Argued this with him in another thread. According to the major - it doesn't matter that EJ averaged 2 turnover each game or that we were getting blown out in each game heading into the fourth or that it's a sample size of 2 games.

 

Never argue with a fool. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Duly noted. I'm out!

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I'm of the opinion that EJ would be a viable starting QB if he was developed properly.

 

Hell, he still might turn out to be that way somewhere. Great? Probably not. Alex Smith like? Sure.

 

I actually liked what I saw from EJ under Roman/Lynn (yes, even the Jax game, with the 5 minutes of terror).

 

Do I keep him over Tyrod though? Probably not. Tyrod is safer, at least with this offense. We'd be in the playoffs with this offense, and a marginally better defense.

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The Bills have had two-count-em-two defensive scores this season. I think that could be a league low. Look at Bobonators post for the actual facts.

Umm they actually have 3

 

Ok cool so 389-18= 371

371/15= 24 ppg

 

EJ led Bills

 

52-6 = 46

 

46/2 = 23 ppg

 

Huge drop off let me tell tou

Argued this with him in another thread. According to the major - it doesn't matter that EJ averaged 2 turnover each game or that we were getting blown out in each game heading into the fourth or that it's a sample size of 2 games.

 

Never argue with a fool. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

As per usual you don't answer the question at hand. You should get into politics.

But wait its about scoring thats what people tell me score

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