Deranged Rhino Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Ben Rhodes still pimping for Iran and the MB. Shocking, I tell you, shocking. Traitors gonna trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I don't know about this threat but you'd think Iran is the last country in the world that'd want Trump's personality committed to turning it into 1999-era Belgrade. They have no backup in the region and Israel and the Saudis would jump at the opportunity to pile on. I read several of Jane's scenario's for Iran and in all of them, Iran gets a few shots in (asymetrical warfare in Iraq, possibly sinks a carrier) before getting completely clobbered back to medieval times. What sucks, upon reflection, is that Iran could have been such a different country. The 1979 Revolution likely never happens if the US and UK don't overthrow Mosaddegh in the 50s all because the Iranians no longer wanted to share oil profits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, dpberr said: I don't know about this threat but you'd think Iran is the last country in the world that'd want Trump's personality committed to turning it into 1999-era Belgrade. They have no backup in the region and Israel and the Saudis would jump at the opportunity to pile on. I read several of Jane's scenario's for Iran and in all of them, Iran gets a few shots in (asymetrical warfare in Iraq, possibly sinks a carrier) before getting completely clobbered back to medieval times. What sucks, upon reflection, is that Iran could have been such a different country. The 1979 Revolution likely never happens if the US and UK don't overthrow Mosaddegh in the 50s all because the Iranians no longer wanted to share oil profits. The Trump plan has two parts: 1) provide the people with enough support (publicly and behind the scenes) to topple the regime from within. 2) destroy Hezbollah and Hamas's abilities to wage war in the region (and abroad) by teaming JSOC teams with GCC strike groups to take kinetic action in multiple theaters at once. The second part of the plan began almost immediately upon Trump being sworn in and is covered at length in the Deep State thread. The first part of the plan has been in motion for a year, and the results have been very positive (for the larger strategic goal). The Mullahs are done. The IRGC is defecting by the bushel. Citizen protests have continued for almost a year. We're close to the end now. Which of course means Iran is more dangerous than ever -- but thanks to part 2 of the plan, most of their offensive capabilities have been taken off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Hedge said: I am deeply offended by that picture. Plastic straws are insensitive to the environment. BAN HATE STRAWS! 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Patrick M. Shanahan is our acting SoD and has been since Mattis resigned. I'd chastise you for your ignorance but I know you can't help yourself. C'mon man, didn't we just learn from Gator that only someone who has been confirmed by the US Senate to be an acting department head can be an acting department head?!? We have no Secretary of Defense!!! Cats and Dogs are living together!! MASS HYSTERIA!!!!11111oneoneoneeleven 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The Trump plan has two parts: 1) provide the people with enough support (publicly and behind the scenes) to topple the regime from within. 2) destroy Hezbollah and Hamas's abilities to wage war in the region (and abroad) by teaming JSOC teams with GCC strike groups to take kinetic action in multiple theaters at once. The second part of the plan began almost immediately upon Trump being sworn in and is covered at length in the Deep State thread. The first part of the plan has been in motion for a year, and the results have been very positive (for the larger strategic goal). The Mullahs are done. The IRGC is defecting by the bushel. Citizen protests have continued for almost a year. We're close to the end now. Which of course means Iran is more dangerous than ever -- but thanks to part 2 of the plan, most of their offensive capabilities have been taken off the table. What happens after the lights are turned off at revolution headquarters? The Iranians have no history with "democracy." While Iran does not have all the varities of ethnic tribes that Iraq contends with, their recent history pre-revolution is invasion by foreign powers, meddling by foreign powers and the Shah. I've always been fascinated by their ability to keep their F14 airframes operational. It's weird seeing them in the air today, but also flying with a flag that isn't ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, dpberr said: What happens after the lights are turned off at revolution headquarters? The Iranians have no history with "democracy." While Iran does not have all the varities of ethnic tribes that Iraq contends with, their recent history pre-revolution is invasion by foreign powers, meddling by foreign powers and the Shah. I've always been fascinated by their ability to keep their F14 airframes operational. It's weird seeing them in the air today, but also flying with a flag that isn't ours. Iran is much more western than any of it's neighbors outside of Israel -- and were before the Mullahs. Many still are. Their government will continue to function if the Mullahs left today, that's not a grave concern imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hedge Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Anytime I see someone from the Trump administration waxing poetic about the special bond between the US/UK, I wonder exactly what they have been compelled to give us. Assange alone, wouldn't even come close to atoning for their sins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 This is about Venezuela and the Mexican/Central American cartels. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/message-congress-designating-brazil-major-non-nato-ally/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Ben Rhodes still pimping for Iran and the MB. Shocking, I tell you, shocking. Traitors gonna trait. How does he equate "had citizens who finance terror" to "state sponsor of terrorism?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I remember posting the original in 2014 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 whatever Trump does is evil and DOA as far as the media is concerned for the next 6 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Of course, a "flying Ginsu" missile that kills only the targeted man violates the Executive Order against assassinations. So Trump could be impeached for this. But using an explosive missile that kills the target and everyone around him? That's just statecraft. ***** bizarre set of rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 If this was posted, apologies.Israel newspaper publishes terms of ‘Deal of Century’ The main points of US President Donald Trump’s much-derided plan for the Middle East, the so-called “deal of the century,” were leaked by a Hebrew-language news outlet in Israel yesterday. Israel Hayom published the main points of the deal from a leaked document circulated by the Israeli Foreign Ministry . The US has said it will reveal its deal after the Muslim month of fasting comes to an end in early June. The main points of the agreement put together by Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner — who has extensive interests in Israel and its settlements — and proposed by the US administration are as follows: A tripartite agreement will be signed between Israel, the PLO and Hamas, and a Palestinian state will be established that will be called “New Palestine” and will be established in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, with the exception of the settlements. Israel would release Palestinian prisoners gradually over the course of three years under the deal. The settlement blocs in the occupied West Bank, which are illegal under international law, would form part of Israel. </snip> There is more after the snip. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Trump is upping the stakes vs Rocket Man. US seizes NK ship for the first time in violation of sanctions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: If this was posted, apologies.Israel newspaper publishes terms of ‘Deal of Century’ The main points of US President Donald Trump’s much-derided plan for the Middle East, the so-called “deal of the century,” were leaked by a Hebrew-language news outlet in Israel yesterday. Israel Hayom published the main points of the deal from a leaked document circulated by the Israeli Foreign Ministry . The US has said it will reveal its deal after the Muslim month of fasting comes to an end in early June. The main points of the agreement put together by Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner — who has extensive interests in Israel and its settlements — and proposed by the US administration are as follows: A tripartite agreement will be signed between Israel, the PLO and Hamas, and a Palestinian state will be established that will be called “New Palestine” and will be established in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, with the exception of the settlements. Israel would release Palestinian prisoners gradually over the course of three years under the deal. The settlement blocs in the occupied West Bank, which are illegal under international law, would form part of Israel. </snip> There is more after the snip. “New Palestine” would not be allowed to form an army but could maintain a police force. No government is legitiatmate without the ability to defend itself. They (United States) are making the same "huge" mistake they made in Iraq. You need to give all the guys you want to disarm...a purpose and something to fight for. You can't just take their weapons away and expect them to be cool with it. All you're doing is stoking an Islamic insurgency that will overthrow the "puppet" Palestinian government. Israel may not like it but New Palestine should be allowed to form their own armed forces. Imagine the British telling George Washington to disband the Continental Army in return for Delaware and Pennsylvania. Edited May 9, 2019 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, dpberr said: Israel may not like it but New Palestine should be allowed to form their own armed forces. Imagine the British telling George Washington to disband the Continental Army in return for Delaware and Pennsylvania. Difference being, British were not in a position to dictate terms of the aftermath of a war they lost. A more appropriate analogy would be, Washington telling them, "We're not going to harm any remaining British loyalists inside the States, and if you behave, we'll let you keep Canada." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 i thought all this Middle East stuff was fully settled by Clinton and Obama.... they sure were lionized for solving all the problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, GG said: Trump is upping the stakes vs Rocket Man. US seizes NK ship for the first time in violation of sanctions. More https://mobile.twitter.com/TheJusticeDept/status/1126545495416082432 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: More https://mobile.twitter.com/TheJusticeDept/status/1126545495416082432 I see an instant pivot by the news from Kim love affair to Trump Warmonger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 2 hours ago, dpberr said: “New Palestine” would not be allowed to form an army but could maintain a police force. No government is legitiatmate without the ability to defend itself. The same thing worked in Japan. In theory, at least. I do love their helicopter carrier "destroyers" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: The same thing worked in Japan. In theory, at least. I do love their helicopter carrier "destroyers" though. You mean "helicopter" carrier "destroyers." Japan's already ordered F-35B's to equip them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Koko78 said: The same thing worked in Japan. Japan falls under the American security umbrella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 19 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: If this was posted, apologies.Israel newspaper publishes terms of ‘Deal of Century’ The main points of US President Donald Trump’s much-derided plan for the Middle East, the so-called “deal of the century,” were leaked by a Hebrew-language news outlet in Israel yesterday. Israel Hayom published the main points of the deal from a leaked document circulated by the Israeli Foreign Ministry . The US has said it will reveal its deal after the Muslim month of fasting comes to an end in early June. The main points of the agreement put together by Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner — who has extensive interests in Israel and its settlements — and proposed by the US administration are as follows: A tripartite agreement will be signed between Israel, the PLO and Hamas, and a Palestinian state will be established that will be called “New Palestine” and will be established in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, with the exception of the settlements. Israel would release Palestinian prisoners gradually over the course of three years under the deal. The settlement blocs in the occupied West Bank, which are illegal under international law, would form part of Israel. </snip> There is more after the snip. How would that even work, adding the settlements to Israel, when they're often complete exclaves? Unless, maybe, there was some land-swapping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 16 hours ago, Koko78 said: The same thing worked in Japan. In theory, at least. I do love their helicopter carrier "destroyers" though. I don't know about that....Japan is one of the most homogenous countries on the planet with hundreds of years of rule with emperorers, etc to rely upon. They don't have the numerous ethnic and religious factions that a New Palestine would have and Palestinians have never experienced a stable government that can get the job done. The West went out of its way to carve a place out for Israel and a successful Palestine state needs the same. Risky, absolutely but nobody knew the Israelis could govern until the West let them try. (I'm on neither side of the Israeli/Palestinian debate personally.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-12/-trumpville-site-chosen-on-israel-held-golan-to-honor-president 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Edited May 13, 2019 by Hedge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 He makes friends with enemies of democracy and is contemptuous of our allies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He makes friends with enemies of democracy and is contemptuous of our allies Excellent observation Tibs! You’re starting to come around after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Excellent observation Tibs! You’re starting to come around after all. You know I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You know I'm right. Interesting...I was thinking you were left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: He makes friends with enemies of democracy and is contemptuous of our allies But enough about Obama, let's talk about Trump... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: But enough about Obama, let's talk about Trump... Awwwww.....whataboutism !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 SNUBBBED: Queen Declines To Invite London Mayor Sadiq Khan To Trump State Dinner. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, B-Man said: SNUBBBED: Queen Declines To Invite London Mayor Sadiq Khan To Trump State Dinner. . He tasks me and I shall have him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Two Saudi Oil tankers attacked in the Gulf! https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/two-saudi-oil-tankers-attacked-in-the-persian-gulf-amid-rising-iran-tensions/2019/05/13/c8907108-755e-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html?utm_term=.580cd853ba6d Higher gas prices anyone? Gulf News Business (@GulfNewsBiz) Oil prices spike by 2% following attack Any further disruptions will stoke fears of supply crunch, analysts saygulfnews.com/business/e…gulfnews.com/business/e… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Sure is nice to know that if pressed, we can supply our own oil needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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