CNY315 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Our interior OL is far cry from the Colin Brown, Chris Williams, Erik Pears, Richardson, Legursky disaster a few years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Yes but Whaley has failed at finding a franchise QB. That is the easiest position around to find and draft. Don't understand it, every other team in the league has one, some even 2 or 3. But Whaley has failed there and can't even find one. He needs to be fired! Two examples of Whaley's free agent value pickups on the OL are Incognito and Jordan Mills. On the line Mills may be the least conspicuous player but also may be one of the more technically sound players on the line. Another example of Whaley's keen eye and value pickup was LB Lorenzo Alexander. From an organizational standpoint under Whaley our pro scouting department is coming up with aces. As others have said it is obvious that a good OL coach such as Komer does make a big difference on the unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 We haven't talked about him much, so that is good, all good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 He's clearly gotten much stronger, and the game seems to have finally slowed down for him. Yet another Whaley gem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Whaley's drafts have been awful. It's interesting when you look at his 3rd round picks: Preston Brown, John Miller, and Adolphus Washington. Brown and Miller are showing their worth, and while it was just one game out of 5, Dolph showed some promise as well. What seems to be a trend, is Whaley gets guys who are a year or two away from being genuinely good and allows them the room to improve in their first year or two, without asking them to do too much. Dolph remains to be seen, and even Miller over the course of a whole season, but Whaley does *not* get the credit he deserves so often from this board. He has yet to show he can Draft a QB, and to me he overpaid for Watkins - but otherwise, it's hard to argue against the job he's doing - especially when you look at FAs like Incognito and Zack Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 John Miller- Much improved. O-line as a whole- Much improved. Bringing Felton back- Puts the cherry on the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I never really paid much attention to this stuff in years past but evidently everyone said we were much more effective running behind the left side of the line last year and this year I've noticed that we seem to run just as much- and just as effectively- running to the right. Am I wrong? Football Outsiders breaks areas run to down to five and tells how successful teams are at running there. They use their stat called Adjusted Line Yards (ALY) basically in an attempt to separate out the line's contribution to success in the run game from the back's contribution. This year's stats: Left End (basically outside the tackle): Bills 2.73 yards per carry ... NFL average 4.17 yards per carry, 26th Left Tackle (basically behind the tackle: Bills 3.58 YPC ... NFL average 3.98 YPC, 21st Mid/Guard (they've found no statistical difference in separating guard/center/guard) Bills 4.08 YPC ... NFL average 3.52 YPC, 10th Right Tackle: Bills 0.87 YPC ... NFL average 3.52 YPC, 32nd by a large margin behind 31st Right End: Bills 3.64 YPC ... NFL average 3.47 YPC, 19th http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol The RG probably has some real effect on runs over tackle, but it's hard to say how much. You'd have to guess that most of the responsibility for that, though, falls on the RT. And over the middle is where we're pretty good. They're saying our RBs are doing a good job of dealing with unspectacular blocking. Though again, over the middle the OL is doing a well above average job. Oughta be interesting to see how these stats change as we get a larger and more representative sample as the year passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 @JoeBuscaglia I'm really impressed by the job that John Miller did against Aaron Donald when matched up 1-on-1. #Bills RG seems to have turned a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Enjoy his blasting of Aaron Donald: https://twitter.com/cover1eturner/status/785618505521434624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Enjoy his blasting of Aaron Donald: https://twitter.com/cover1eturner/status/785618505521434624 Going to dig into their battle later. Very much looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Anyone think we still need to upgrade that position? Dude is playing like a man. Looking more and more like a fantastic draft pick. I think we should look for a RT still. RG is easier to fill than RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Yes but Whaley has failed at finding a franchise QB. That is the easiest position around to find and draft. Don't understand it, every other team in the league has one, some even 2 or 3. But Whaley has failed there and can't even find one. He needs to be fired! Well done ed. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 @TheBillsWire Bills film study: How RG John Miller fared in Week 5 against Rams DT Aaron Donald https://t.co/BZhiRmoZtI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo poonani Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 He's playing lights out. Let's hope it continues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Yes but Whaley has failed at finding a franchise QB. That is the easiest position around to find and draft. Don't understand it, every other team in the league has one, some even 2 or 3. But Whaley has failed there and can't even find one. He needs to be fired! Somewhat related to what you're saying here, I heard Sal say something the other day about how the GM and his staff talk to the coaches and find out what type of players they're looking for. This was in relation to a caller asking what happened to Cryil Richardson, and Sal said he was the type of player that Moron wanted, a big road grader to blow the other guys off the ball, but he didn't fit the pulling guard type that Kromer/Roman system uses. Most people will simply look at it as Whaley wasted that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 @JoeBuscaglia I'm really impressed by the job that John Miller did against Aaron Donald when matched up 1-on-1. #Bills RG seems to have turned a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Year one to year two are big for linemen. A years worth of strength and conditioning. Not to mention adjusting to the interior speed, one false step for a linemen means a sack or a tackle for loss. You could tell Miller was not a Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Miller looked like a stud in 2015 until the injury. Miller came into the 2015 pre-season looking like a ready made player. Even in the regular season he was a bit up and down he still looked like he belonged as a rookie. His struggles really started with the high ankle injury which regressed his play. I was shocked that so many viewed Miller was such a huge weakness in the O-line coming into this season, coming into the 2015 season everyone thought Whaley got such a steal and both him and Darby were 2 sure fire starters taken in the draft. I looked at RT as the more perplexing line issue not addressed. Miller was a fairly high draft pick for his position who looked good before an injury, not putting in your limited resources into fixing that position made sense. But The RT position did give you much reason to have confidence. I believe it was Michael Strahan who said that sometimes not going out and getting free agents in the off-season can be a good sign that you like what you already have on your roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 @TheBillsWire Bills film study: How RG John Miller fared in Week 5 against Rams DT Aaron Donald https://t.co/BZhiRmoZtI Hand technique was his big weakness coming out of college. Quick DTs like Donald would own him there. His technique since then has improved greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Our interior OL is far cry from the Colin Brown, Chris Williams, Erik Pears, Richardson, Legursky disaster a few years ago I can't think of a time when our line was this good, since the Super Bowl years. I know we had some years when Travis Henry was running over everyone, so they must have been solid in the early 2000's, but I don't remember who they were at that point. I do remember Ballard, Parker, Hull, Richer, and Wolford. It is funny to think back to that era and compare the size of guys playing then vs. now. I remember Madden making a big deal about Jim "Jumbo" Elliot on the Giants. He barely topped 300 lbs.! Edited October 13, 2016 by dulles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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