Tipster19 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 He's being compared to Muhammad Wilkerson. I'd be all for a player like him if the comparison is somewhat accurate. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/3/24/11300856/report-louisiana-tech-dl-vernon-butler-to-visit-buffalo-bills?utm_campaign=buffalorumblings&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I love how they say he's similar to Marcel Dareus. If that's the comparison, then no thank you. We already have one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 So having TWO extremely versatile DLinemen is something you think is particularly bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I haven't heard comparisons to Dareus but have heard a lot of mo Wilkerson. Would love it if the jets trade mo in hopes of getting butler and then we take him one spot ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 So having TWO extremely versatile DLinemen is something you think is particularly bad? If they are looking at them as NT? Yes. Because we have needs at other places to waste a first round pick on a position we already have a 15 mil guy at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) If they are looking at them as NT? Yes. Because we have needs at other places to waste a first round pick on a position we already have a 15 mil guy at. i think he would be the eventual replacement for Kyle at DT, and play in a rotation while he's still here. Every NT Rex has ever had has been a UDFA or late round pick. We signed one like that last year (Barnes) and could draft one later this year. I don't see Butler as a NT. Edited March 25, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Great news. Just get me one of these stud DL at 19 and don't reach for a LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 If they are looking at them as NT? Yes. Because we have needs at other places to waste a first round pick on a position we already have a 15 mil guy at. From the article, "He would give Buffalo a versatile lineman who can play anywhere from nose tackle to defensive end (similar to the way Marcell Dareus can be used), a player who can stop the run, is developing his pass rush, and can swat down passes." Not sure Rex is seriously considering Marcell at NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 From the article, "He would give Buffalo a versatile lineman who can play anywhere from nose tackle to defensive end (similar to the way Marcell Dareus can be used), a player who can stop the run, is developing his pass rush, and can swat down passes." Not sure Rex is seriously considering Marcell at NT. That's the thing about this whole switch that bugs me. I don't claim to really understand the perfect players fit for a 3-4 or 4-3. I know that Dareus and Kyle are DT's in a 3-4 and you want a big, space eating NT for a 3-4. I don't think that Dareus is that kind of a NT, but I don't think he's a DE in that scheme either. Basically, we are taking people who are All-Pros in one position and moving them to a place that diminishes their talents. And now, we have created more positions that we have to fill because of the scheme change when we already have plenty of other positions to fill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 That's the thing about this whole switch that bugs me. I don't claim to really understand the perfect players fit for a 3-4 or 4-3. I know that Dareus and Kyle are DT's in a 3-4 and you want a big, space eating NT for a 3-4. I don't think that Dareus is that kind of a NT, but I don't think he's a DE in that scheme either. Basically, we are taking people who are All-Pros in one position and moving them to a place that diminishes their talents. And now, we have created more positions that we have to fill because of the scheme change when we already have plenty of other positions to fill as you stated, dareus isn't a DE in that scheme, he's a DT. Ideally you would use a NT in some packages to free him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I love how they say he's similar to Marcel Dareus. If that's the comparison, then no thank you. We already have one really? That's the thing about this whole switch that bugs me. I don't claim to really understand the perfect players fit for a 3-4 or 4-3. I know that Dareus and Kyle are DT's in a 3-4 and you want a big, space eating NT for a 3-4. I don't think that Dareus is that kind of a NT, but I don't think he's a DE in that scheme either. Basically, we are taking people who are All-Pros in one position and moving them to a place that diminishes their talents. And now, we have created more positions that we have to fill because of the scheme change when we already have plenty of other positions to fill The difference is Butler is not making 100 million dollars....you COULD play him at NT (which he is fully capable of) and play Marcel at the next tech over and get the most out of him and his 100 million. The problem we have right now is Marcel is the best NT we have....you bring in a guy like this and that changes things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 i think he would be the eventual replacement for Kyle at DT, and play in a rotation while he's still here. Every NT Rex has ever had has been a UDFA or late round pick. We signed one like that last year (Barnes) and could draft one later this year. I don't see Butler as a NT. Plus big guys have lots of rotation. If MD is off the field it's another good chance ESPECIALLY if their skills are semi repetitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Plus big guys have lots of rotation. If MD is off the field it's another good chance ESPECIALLY if their skills are semi repetitivethey re-signed Bryant I think because if that too. They want to keep Dareus fresh and of course with KW getting up there they want to do the same with him. A DT rotation with Dareus, Bryant, KW and Butler would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 So having TWO extremely versatile DLinemen is something you think is particularly bad? can he cover short zone as you stated, dareus isn't a DE in that scheme, he's a DT. Ideally you would use a NT in some packages to free him up. and this type of player can be found later. But an impact player on the line in the first whether he is balanced or a pass rusher is what you take. Some nice options i hope are at 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 So hold on, I thought a 3-4 had a NT and 2 DE's on the line. Are you saying that it's a NT and 2 DT's? I'm honestly confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 So hold on, I thought a 3-4 had a NT and 2 DE's on the line. Are you saying that it's a NT and 2 DT's? I'm honestly confused. They say Wrecks defense is confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 So hold on, I thought a 3-4 had a NT and 2 DE's on the line. Are you saying that it's a NT and 2 DT's? I'm honestly confused. I was a little confused on this too. But some/most of the schemes I've seen on this site have a NT at 0 or 1 tech, a DT at 3 tech, and a DE at 5 tech (Strong side). It is definitely not the symmetrical NT flanked by two DEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 So hold on, I thought a 3-4 had a NT and 2 DE's on the line. Are you saying that it's a NT and 2 DT's? I'm honestly confused. I'll send this one back: how do you define the difference between DT and DE for yourself? I'd bet that you'd get a wealth of nuts and bolts replies if you actually open that door the rest of the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 If they are looking at them as NT? Yes. Because we have needs at other places to waste a first round pick on a position we already have a 15 mil guy at. Dareus needs to be shifted to the 5 tech. and we need a TRUE NT. That would then free Marcel up to wreak havoc on opposing offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 So hold on, I thought a 3-4 had a NT and 2 DE's on the line. Are you saying that it's a NT and 2 DT's? I'm honestly confused. thats a base D that they are probably in 30-50 percent of the time and you can call them whatever you want, DT or DE. This defense is more multiple then any one alignment and uses a ton of different packages; they try to create a scenario for the offense where they don't know what's coming. I think I saw a 1-3-7 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 As for my definition and understanding. A DT in a 4-3 is a DE in a 3-4. So a NT would come in and we'd have Dareus and Kyle on the outsides. All of our normal DE's become OLBs. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Dareus needs to be shifted to the 5 tech. and we need a TRUE NT. That would then free Marcel up to wreak havoc on opposing offenses. I don't think Dareus can be all that effective playing 5 technique. I don't think he has the height, wingspan or speed to play the edge. Kyle Williams is even a bigger misfit. We'll see how they decide to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I don't think Dareus can be all that effective playing 5 technique. I don't think he has the height, wingspan or speed to play the edge. Kyle Williams is even a bigger misfit. We'll see how they decide to use them.Marcel was a pretty effective 5 @ Alabama when playing the position. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Marcel was a pretty effective 5 @ Alabama when playing the position. I'd LOVE to see Butler and Dareus team up for years to come...Butler is the guy I want most for the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 I am hoping for Butler and Su'a to become Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Wouldn't mind the pick. The team needs to find two starters in the front 7 at a minimum. I would prefer they find a pass rusher but if they feel Butler is the best player on the board it would be a solid pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 thats a base D that they are probably in 30-50 percent of the time and you can call them whatever you want, DT or DE. This defense is more multiple then any one alignment and uses a ton of different packages; they try to create a scenario for the offense where they don't know what's coming. I think I saw a 1-3-7 last year. Thanks Yolo, I have no idea what Rex does on D, we are lucky to have you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) Thanks Yolo, I have no idea what Rex does on D, we are lucky to have you neither do I, that's about the extent of my knowledge. It's hard to know "what they do" as far as a consistent approach because each game is different. The only thing constant is change with this scheme. But there are certain things that showed up with Ravens, jets and bills that you can point to as what he likes to do. Edited April 1, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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