Liberal Protests

[B-Man]

52 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...shocking that Arkansas' pant suited feral hog weighs in with the solutions......Ms Irrelevant reveals that old losing wounds never heal......

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Why #STFUHillary is trending on Twitter

 

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Vast majority of protests are peaceful, stop trying to make it seem different. 

A greater majority of cops are doing fantastic jobs but for some reason the protesters chant “***** the police!” and want them all to lose their jobs.  Ohhh the irony. 

[Magox]

Double Think

 

#Orwellian

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

How many protesters does it take to "pack" Washington D.C.?

 

According to The Washington Post, the city is "packed" when there are "more than 10,000."


 

 

That's the WaPo headline as displayed at Memeorandum. The headline is no longer written like that. Now, it is "'Defund The Police' painted on D.C. street as tensions among protesters flare."

Now, my question is: How bad did it get for WaPo to write "tensions... flare"?

More than 10,000 people poured into the nation’s capital on the ninth day of protests over police brutality.... The cause even led to flares of tension among Washington’s protesters, with some embracing a party atmosphere while others furiously spray-painted “Defund The Police” in giant yellow letters a block from the city’s “Black Lives Matter” display....

 

So there was some graffiti. What else?

 

Turns out it was just a few protesters who were irked that others weren't acting angry:

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

I had not seen these photos. The "protesters" who were arrested should have had to clean the graffiti.
 

 

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...blurred vision from under your rock?.....peaceful murders of cops?....292 NYC cops injured?......molotov cocktails, bricks strategically deployed for "convenience"?....and you crave legitimacy?.....sometimes ignorance should NOT be advertised.......

Vast majority peaceful. 

[BillStime]

God bless America - or what’s left of it.

 

Happy Trump voters?

 

You installing sky high fencing around your compound too?

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

[billsfan1959]

21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Local people have trouble dealing with issues that a higher level of government can look at more distantly and less I passionately. A great example of this Niagara Falls where it took the federal government coming in a dealing with organized crime that had crippled the local economy and the local police and courts were too scared or not powerful enough to stop. There was a 75% mark up in all construction projects, so no wonder the Canadian side looked so much better until the Feds came in. I remember one of the reporters getting attacked by a mobsters thug reporting on that, right in broad daylight. These local racist cliques are not at all that much different 

 

I won't disagree that there is a place for the intervention / assistance at the federal level. We have seen it from civil rights to organized crime. I do not have a problem with it. Like I said, as long as it is doesn't lend itself to further injustice in its application.

 

Just as an example, there came a time in this country when black communities across the country were being devastated by crack cocaine and associated crime. The federal government stepped in with the ability to deal with it in a way the local communities could not. One of the byproducts of that effort was the institution of sentencing guidelines to draw a distinction between crack cocaine and powder cocaine. The intent was to increase minimum mandatory sentencing for crack cocaine as a deterrent. It truly was done with good intentions because black communities were literally being destroyed by the sale and use of crack cocaine, as well as the violent crime associated with it.

 

What happened is that an entire generation of young black men were locked up for disproportionate lengths of time for crack cocaine than for similar offenses involving powder cocaine. Young black men were routinely being sentenced to 5 - 20 years for non-violent offenses involving relatively small amounts of crack cocaine (in relation to the sentencing).

 

All I am saying is that I do not oppose any bill that seeks to  help/assist local communities or address injustices in the system. We should just try our best to shape it as specifically as possible to avoid further injustice.

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by billsfan1959

[BillStime]

80% of Americans say the country is out of control.  That is a remarkable statement.

 

Americans Are More Troubled by Police Actions in Killing of George Floyd Than by Violence at Protests, Poll Finds

 

Thanks Trumpholes!!

17 hours ago, meazza said:

Learn how to link properly @BillStime

 
If you say so @Deranged Rhino

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I won't disagree that there is a place for the intervention / assistance at the federal level. We have seen it from civil rights to organized crime. I do not have a problem with it. Like I said, as long as it is doesn't lend itself to further injustice in its application.

 

Just as an example, there came a time in this country when black communities across the country were being devastated by crack cocaine and associated crime. The federal government stepped in with the ability to deal with it in a way the local communities could not. One of the byproducts of that effort was the institution of sentencing guidelines to draw a distinction between crack cocaine and powder cocaine. The intent was to increase minimum mandatory sentencing for crack cocaine as a deterrent. It truly was done with good intentions because black communities were literally being destroyed by the sale and use of crack cocaine, as well as the violent crime associated with it.

 

What happened is that an entire generation of young black men were locked up for disproportionate lengths of time for crack cocaine than for similar offenses involving powder cocaine. Young black men were routinely being sentenced to 5 - 20 years for non-violent offenses involving relatively small amounts of crack cocaine (in relation to the sentencing).

 

All I am saying is that I do not oppose any bill that seeks to  help/assist local communities or address injustices in the system. We should just try our best to shape it as specifically as possible to avoid further injustice.

 

I never understood why the penalty for crack versus powdered cocaine was harsher.  Using cocaine period should have had the same penalty.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, BillStime said:

God bless America - or what’s left of it.

 

Happy Trump voters?

 

You installing sky high fencing around your compound too?

 

 

 

 

....see that they don't empty the septic tank on weekends.......you filled it.......

Edited June 7, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, BillStime said:

80% of Americans say the country is out of control.  That is a remarkable statement.

 

Americans Are More Troubled by Police Actions in Killing of George Floyd Than by Violence at Protests, Poll Finds

 

Thanks Trumpholes!!

 
If you say so @Deranged Rhino

 

After a week of criminals destroying cities and Dem governors and mayors did nothing about it, people think that the country is out of control?  Amazing.

 

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

After a week of criminals destroying cities and Dem governors and mayors did nothing about it, people think that the country is out of control?  Amazing.

 

 

Cause and effect - but I understand you don’t have the ability to think holistically. 

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

I never understood why the penalty for crack versus powdered cocaine was harsher.  Using cocaine period should have had the same penalty.

 

Agree. I understood the reasoning behind it. Crack cocaine may be the single greatest factor in the rise of crime rates in black communities across the country, not just in urban areas. People were looking for solutions in any way they could find them. Unfortunately, the result at the federal level was a complete disaster for young black men and relations between law enforcement and black communities.

 

Here is something you won't hear: There was such a disparity in the sentencing that law enforcement officers were routinely witholding information from the courts (in regard to relevant conduct) just to keep the sentences of some offenders as low as they could within the guidelines.

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Doc]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Cause and effect - but I understand you don’t have the ability to think holistically. 

 

Weak response from a weak mind.  George Floyd's murder, while terrible, didn't justify the criminal behavior, especially after Chauvin was arrested and charged. 

 

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Agree. I understood the reasoning behind it. Crack cocaine may be the single greatest factor in the rise of crime rates in black communities across the country, not just in urban areas. People were looking for solutions in any way they could find them. Unfortunately, the result at the federal level was a complete disaster for young black men and relations between law enforcement and black communities.

 

Here is something you won't hear: There was such a disparity in the sentencing that law enforcement officers were routinely witholding information from the courts (in regard to relevant conduct) just to keep the sentences of some offenders as low as they could within the guidelines.

 

I agree about crack cocaine, but they should have increased the penalty for powder cocaine as well.  By not doing so, they make it appear racist, or at the very least, classist.

[Numark3]

23 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I never understood why the penalty for crack versus powdered cocaine was harsher.  Using cocaine period should have had the same penalty.

because the war on drugs, while well intentioned, was in hindsight a major major ***** up

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Weak response from a weak mind.  

 
Stop projecting @Deranged Rhino - 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Today’s GOP and its sheep are a bunch of cowards. 
 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

It worked so well in 2016

 

 

 

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[Magox]

It’s happening.  They are going radical and you never go full radical.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Many people forgetting if defund the police whos going to protect us from rob our places, shooting people. As well as gang and mobs more controlling. Plus all the illegal drugs.  Easier to rob the government as well. (hope not)

 

Agree with lots of things but we do need police.  

 

Before any doubter says anything my mother and I take all kinds of people to store and hangout with them as good people and friends. Trust in morals, honor and respectful people. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Penfield45]

33 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

After a week of criminals destroying cities and Dem governors and mayors did nothing about it, people think that the country is out of control?  Amazing.

 

 

 

the funny part is you trump supporters think those liberal mayors and governors are on our side, but they aren't. we are against them too. there needs to be a complete shake up of the political party in america and we will get there eventually .step 1 is to remove trump out of office. 

 

its almost 2021 and we still have a 2 party system in america, its a complete joke. 

[BillStime]

Conservative journalist to Trump: resign 

 

On Some Things, Americans Can Agree

 

The thought of a malignant narcissist resigning on his own accord makes me laugh and laugh and laugh.

[Penfield45]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Many people forgetting if defund the police whos going to protect us from rob our places, shooting people. As well as gang and mobs more controlling. Plus all the illegal drugs.  Easier to rob the government as well. (hope not)

 

Agree with lots of things but we do need police.  

 

Before any doubter says anything my mother and I take all kinds of people to store. Trust in morals, honor and respectful people. 

 

first of all, defending police does not mean they go away, how do you not understand this?

 

i means not giving them billions of dollars to spend when they absolutely have no use for that money, and we need to pay them less. put that money towards education and infrastructure in towns/cities. your precious cops aren't going anywhere calm the f down  

Edited June 7, 2020 by Penfield45

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

first of all, defending police does not mean they go away, how do you not understand this?

 

i means not giving them billions of dollars to spend when they absolutely have no use for that money, and we need to pay them less. put that money towards education and infrastructure in towns/cities. your presious cops aren't going anywhere calm the f down 

 

Right some people out there get to me says get rid of them all.  Just don't get it. Ya man I have disabilities. Born  wiith it. all the police around here  (live at)have been nice. Take me home and stuff. A mexican here really good guy. (police) Love seeing him.

 

Agree with education and infrastructure. Those are pretty important.

 

 I felt bad for George Floyd. Many people out there.  The old guy pushed over in Buffalo. Those police deserve some punishment and face the law.   I'm pretty open minded.

Edited June 7, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Penfield45]

1 minute ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

The progressive mantra: "give us more stuff. We'll behave then and not ask for more. We promise."

 

what the actual ***** is wrong with you. like honestly how dumb can you people get????

 

so you are against better education for your children/grandchildren? the american education system is totally broken, but yes lets keep funding police millions on millions for what exactly? Why do you want police to be so over funded? you have not answered this question yet and I'm waiting. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

what the actual ***** is wrong with you. like honestly how dumb can you people get????

 

so you are against better education for your children/grandchildren? the american education system is totally broken, but yes lets keep funding police millions on millions for what exactly? Why do you want police to be so over funded? you have not answered this question yet and I'm waiting. 

 

 

...don't think anyone could lower their explanation to your level of incomprehension.....we have Sunday's "posting child".....

[Needle]

6 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

what the actual ***** is wrong with you. like honestly how dumb can you people get????

 

so you are against better education for your children/grandchildren? the american education system is totally broken, but yes lets keep funding police millions on millions for what exactly? Why do you want police to be so over funded? you have not answered this question yet and I'm waiting. 

The education system is not totally broken. 

[Penfield45]

1 minute ago, Needle said:

The education system is not totally broken. 

 

when teachers are buying their own supplies and kids are being denied lunch bc they can't afford it, yes...it is. 

 

 

[Needle]

Just now, Penfield45 said:

 

when teachers are buying their own supplies and kids are being denied lunch bc they can't afford it, yes...it is. 

 

 

I would agree that in some communities the education system is failing but it is more attributed to the parents. My neighbors are City of Rochester teachers and they get nothing from parents. 120 students and maybe 1 or 2 parents show up to parent teacher meetings, no call backs, no emails answered, no shows by students, etc.

 

It's not for lack of erasers that the school is failing. As far as the lunches go, I know that the schools were delivering meals by bus during the coronavirus portion of the school year. Kids were getting meals everyday.

 

A math teacher at one of the city high schools sent out an assignment to his classes and got like 5 responses.

 

It is a cultural issue.

[meazza]

26 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

the funny part is you trump supporters think those liberal mayors and governors are on our side, but they aren't. we are against them too. there needs to be a complete shake up of the political party in america and we will get there eventually .step 1 is to remove trump out of office. 

 

its almost 2021 and we still have a 2 party system in america, its a complete joke. 

As soon as trump is voted out of office, the media narrative will change and these kinds of policies will lose support.

[BillStime]

37 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

It worked so well in 2016

 

 

 

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What seems to me to be bigger news than Colin Powell’s endorsement of Joe Biden is the way he calls out Republican senators and others who normalize the president’s actions. This focus on other elected officials is an increasing part of the anti-Trump movement.

[Deranged Rhino]

26 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

first of all, defending police does not mean they go away, how do you not understand this?

 

i means not giving them billions of dollars to spend when they absolutely have no use for that money, and we need to pay them less. put that money towards education and infrastructure in towns/cities. your precious cops aren't going anywhere calm the f down  

 

Typical dishonest argument: "The word we're using doesn't mean what you think it means -- and even though half the people shouting 'DEFUND' the police mean exactly that, I don't and you're dumb for not understanding!" 

 

 

 

That's how you know they've lost. 

[Just Joshin']

18 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

what the actual ***** is wrong with you. like honestly how dumb can you people get????

 

so you are against better education for your children/grandchildren? the american education system is totally broken, but yes lets keep funding police millions on millions for what exactly? Why do you want police to be so over funded? you have not answered this question yet and I'm waiting. 

I don't believe anyone is anti-education.  Society benefits from a well education population.

 

We can also agree that it is broken.  The US spends more on education with less results.  Yes, broken.

 

Now why is it broken?  The liberal policies of the last 50 years have not improved the outcomes.  So you are advocating changing those policies - again we can agree.

 

Other than spend $, what do you recommend?

 

Let me start - I was on a school board (unpaid) for 10 years with 6 as VP or President.  First thing I would change is the regulations that are imposed on districts with no benefit to the educational result.   These are not student oriented but in fact hurt the children.  Simplify and give the control back to the local communities to tailor a program that meets those needs.  What works in a rural district will not work in a suburban or urban district.

 

OK - your turn.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, meazza said:

As soon as trump is voted out of office, the media narrative will change and these kinds of policies will lose support.

 

The proof is in the candidate they're choosing to run. 

 

Biden has been in office over 40 years, he was the author of the Crime Bill -- the bill that did more to tilt the system against poor, black, and brown people than any other piece of legislation since Reconstruction. He's the architect of the "systemic racism and injustice" they are decrying in our system. And now, after two weeks of screaming to the heavens about this problem, the DNC expects the same people to just forget that truth about Joe and turn up to vote for him? 

 

Nah. Won't work. 

 

But it shows just how disingenuous many people's outrage is. Anyone who's outraged over this topic who is still supporting Biden for president is either deeply stupid, deeply dishonest -- or such a partisan that they've abandoned all pretense of intelligence or honesty. 

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Typical dishonest argument: "The word we're using doesn't mean what you think it means -- and even though half the people shouting 'DEFUND' the police mean exactly that, I don't and you're dumb for not understanding!" 

 

 

 

That's how you know they've lost. 

dishonest.. lost... it’s a game for you 

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

the funny part is you trump supporters think those liberal mayors and governors are on our side, but they aren't. we are against them too. there needs to be a complete shake up of the political party in america and we will get there eventually .step 1 is to remove trump out of office.

 

Then who do you support?  And do not tell me AOC.

 

9 minutes ago, Needle said:

I would agree that in some communities the education system is failing but it is more attributed to the parents. My neighbors are City of Rochester teachers and they get nothing from parents. 120 students and maybe 1 or 2 parents show up to parent teacher meetings, no call backs, no emails answered, no shows by students, etc.

 

It's not for lack of erasers that the school is failing. As far as the lunches go, I know that the schools were delivering meals by bus during the coronavirus portion of the school year. Kids were getting meals everyday.

 

A math teacher at one of the city high schools sent out an assignment to his classes and got like 5 responses.

 

It is a cultural issue.

 

There are about a dozen black kids from Hartford who are bused into our (excellent) public school.  The vast majority don't care to be there and learn.