Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Your Brown Eye said: Because clearly all they did was chase him. It's not like they knocked him out cold, curb stomped his unconscious head and left him in the street a bloody mess. If I'm being "chased" by those *****, you're damn right they'll be dodging hot lead as they're chasing me Great. So you’re going to show up at violent protest with a gun. What ever could go wrong? Hot lead. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) We can dance around any number of suggestions/recommendations after the fact; isn't the real issue extremist groups that, in a sense, lay in wait for an issue then pounce on it? Are there any forward thinking officials in our various governments with a macro view of our society beyond just the deep partisan divides that characterize every important issue? Is there anything, other than one's reelection, that is important enough to garner a bipartisan approach to its resolution? Not yet.... Edited May 31, 2020 by Keukasmallies 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: GTFOH I don’t think I will. I think I’ll stay, and I think I’ll continue to make the case that no one needs you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: He wants to be hauled into the police and investigated for murder and go through life knowing he killed someone for chasing him? You are some level of idiot you know that. They BEAT him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, realtruelove said: Has anyone done an analysis of the events that occurred this weekend in major cities across the country and if any city successfully thwarted the violent agitators? Good question. I also want to see the responses based on the city's mayor's political affiliation. Then, the governor's political affiliation. Were D or R tougher on these criminals? Was it all catch and release? Who funded the looting and rioting? Lots of questions, few answers right now. The last thing normal people want is another summer of '68. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: They BEAT him. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Great. So you’re going to show up at violent protest with a gun. What ever could go wrong? Hot lead. ? If I find myself in a position where I need to defend my home or business from looters, and I expect I’ll be brutalized in the process, they’ll need to step over a stack of bodies to get to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I agree. They need to go after the money men though, just like a drug cartel. You need to get the head of the snake. FULL DISCLOSURE:...I'm an old school dinosaur like crustacean at age 67.......but I loathe this chest thumping "tough talk" followed by the pussification of inaction.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Why? Because they're uncivilized thugs and lawless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: If I find myself in a position where I need to defend my home or business from looters, and I expect I’ll be brutalized in the process, they’ll need to step over a stack of bodies to get to me. ...picking up my AR-15 NY legal pea shooter on Friday......my son built me one and KEPT IT...... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: If I find myself in a position where I need to defend my home or business from looters, and I expect I’ll be brutalized in the process, they’ll need to step over a stack of bodies to get to me. That would be great if that was the scenario here. But it’s not. 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Because they're uncivilized thugs and lawless? And him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Unfortunately, he won't get anymore than a passing mention in the MSM, most will never even know his name, and his death won't matter to most people outside those who knew him and loved him. His death doesn't fit any national narrative.... Rest in Peace, Mr. Underwood. Our thoughts and prayers are as much with your family as they are with the families of George Floyd and anyone else victimized by the same thing: Specific individuals who are indifferent to human life and have no problems cruelly ending one for their own self-serving interests. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: GTFOH I had a question for you, being in law enforcement and seeming like a reasonable poster. I am curious, is there any internal mechanisms to deal with officers who get a little too extreme in carrying out their duty? ie fellow officers reporting heavy handedness and working within the system to help the reported officer adjust their responses before it becomes a problem? Or does it need external evidence, video or citizen complaints/charges, to precipitate internal action? TIA Edited May 31, 2020 by GaryPinC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: FULL DISCLOSURE:...I'm an old school dinosaur like crustacean at age 67.......but I loathe this chest thumping "tough talk" followed by the pussification of inaction.... Agreed. But, these are not organic "protests." They are ginned up riots. The advertising was out days ago (I mentioned it in this thread days ago). They were advertising for people to come "protest" in major cities across the US. Now, toss in some paid Antifa, and BOOM! People have a right to peaceful assembly. They do not have a right to set fires to building, break and enter, loot, assault or kill. Whoever is funding this *cough* should be brought up on charges. Now, find them. Which is not going to be easy even though everyone "knows" who it starts with. And, you've got to be able to prove they are funding these riots. The money men (women) can afford some pretty high-priced legal talent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...picking up my AR-15 NY legal pea shooter on Friday......my son built me one and KEPT IT...... Jeez, you give the kid life and he won’t spot you an AR-15? ? My brother was out driving around Roch last night, called me and I told him about the problems I read about here. He said he had just seen several police cars speeding past and thought there was an accident ahead. His next reply was “Frig....I don’t have my gun with me.” Late 50s, tough enough guy, never thought I’d ever hear my brother utter those words in Suburban Rochester. Btw he didn’t say “Frig”.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Note: no one knows if this man handing out money is Antifa, although he does have the uniform. However, this is ummm interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: That would be great if that was the scenario here. But it’s not. And him? What about him? Edited May 31, 2020 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: What about him? What did he do to get chased down? Of course you don’t know. Did he deserve it? Who knows but advocating shooting someone does not make you a tough guy. IMO it makes you an idiot and a HUGE part of the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Unfortunately, he won't get anymore than a passing mention in the MSM, most will never even know his name, and his death won't matter to most people outside those who knew him and loved him. His death doesn't fit any national narrative.... Rest in Peace, Mr. Underwood. Our thoughts and prayers are as much with your family as they are with the families of George Floyd and anyone else victimized by the same thing: Specific individuals who are indifferent to human life and have no problems cruelly ending one for their own self-serving interests. I got a Facebook post from a friend in CA before she had to pull it for safety reasons. There was another officer shot with Mr. Underwood. It is her first husband, the father of her children. The men were guarding the Federal Building in Oakland when someone did a drive-by. Underwood died but the other officer underwent surgery and is recovering in the hospital. Edited May 31, 2020 by Wacka 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Love the screamer who has her mask down (so her screamers are louder?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Note: no one knows if this man handing out money is Antifa, although he does have the uniform. However, this is ummm interesting. Handing out money to raise havoc? I couldn’t hear what he said other than “there are three picnic tables up here”. Maybe he was giving him money to go buy some sandwiches so the could have a picnic. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan1959 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Wacka said: I got aFacebook post from a friend in CA before she had to pull it for safety reasons. There was anotherofficer shot with Mr. Underwood. It is her first husband, the father of her children. The men were guarding the Federal Building in Oakland when someone did a drive-by. Underwood died but the other officer underwent surgery and is recovering in the hospital. Yeah, I read about the other officer as well. I hope him a full and speedy recovery. Nothing more than acceptable casualties in the fight against injustice, right? SMFH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 </snip> Samantha Shader, 27, of Catskill, NY, tossed the incendiary device through a rear window of the van at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Washington Avenue around 10:40 p.m., police said. Shader then allegedly bit an officer on the leg as she was taken into custody, police said. She faces four counts of attempted murder of a police officer, attempted arson, assault on a cop, criminal possession of a weapon and reckless endangerment. </snip> 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Good. I hope she rots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) "protesters" Edited May 31, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: "protestors" And for those of you that will say “if he only had a gun.......” If you’re worried about being chased and attacked and will carry a gun just in case that happens? I give you the same message I give to those worried about the virus. Stay home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Prickly Pete said: Every dead teenage body will be attributed to Trump. I live in Los Angeles and know many people. I can count on one hand the number of people that aren't supporting these riots. I mean, "Burn Baby Burn" support. They WANT it to continue, because they think it will damage Trump. Many are gleeful. Laughing. Hundreds of people I KNOW, want these to continue. It's right there on their social media. I don’t blame Trump for this and any sane person wouldn’t but it’s worth pointing out Trump himself blamed Obama while he was in office for some riots. There’s a tweet out there that says in effect ‘because of lack of leadership’. 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: this is in Florida: Scumbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I am certain there are people who will disagree. I do not. There is a chain of command in place, and the feds are last, not first. The mayors have to allow the police to act and not stand down, and then the governors have state police and state national guard. Once those avenues have been exhausted without success, then the feds come in. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ALF said: zay @zayjones11 · 16h i was just at a local home goods store w/ my cousin getting furniture for my place when an elderly white woman approached me at the check out counter. she looked at me w/ tears in her eyes... & then said “i’m from Minneapolis & I just want you to know “you matter to me.” The heartfelt words hit Zay right in the chest...he fumbled with them for a few seconds and ultimately let them slide right through his fingers? Edited May 31, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And for those of you that will say “if he only had a gun.......” If you’re worried about being chased and attacked and will carry a gun just in case that happens? I give you the same message I give to those worried about the virus. Stay home. Racist MFers. People need to avoid these situations. It’s way too dangerous out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And for those of you that will say “if he only had a gun.......” If you’re worried about being chased and attacked and will carry a gun just in case that happens? I give you the same message I give to those worried about the virus. Stay home. What if you're protecting your business from the looters? What if you're on your last leg because of COVID,. and you and your friends grab some guns and stand outside your business to protect it? You good with that, or should they stay away? Edited May 31, 2020 by IDBillzFan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Soon, state and local governments will want bailouts for this too. The bigger the mess, the bigger the bailout. Not much incentive to prevent catastrophe anymore. It's a profitable business model. Not for us of course, but that is the point after all. At least the bankers are safe. Always have been, always will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 The police and protesters are both in the wrong. What happened to honor and peace? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: What if you're protecting your business from the looters? What if you're on your last leg because of COVID,. and you and your friends grab some guns and stand outside your business to protect it? You good with that, or should they stay away? We’ve been here but I’ll restate. If you’re standing outside your business armed very little good will come of it. We do not want to even come close to making a martyr out of any of these jackasses. Give me ***** but if your business is burned there is a great chance you will get the funds to rebuild. I say stay away and let bright lights shine on these *****sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: I had a question for you, being in law enforcement and seeming like a reasonable poster. I am curious, is there any internal mechanisms to deal with officers who get a little too extreme in carrying out their duty? ie fellow officers reporting heavy handedness and working within the system to help the reported officer adjust their responses before it becomes a problem? Or does it need external evidence, video or citizen complaints/charges, to precipitate internal action? TIA In my department, there are several mechanisms in place. Being a supervisor, one of my job tasks is conducting reviews of dashcam/ bodycam videos. The review is documented and flagged in the system. We also have to do periodic, random ride alongs with our subordinates. Stuff like that. Supervisors are responsible for their people, much like parents are for their kids. When issues, or the potential for issues, arise we do have resources to use to assist the officer and correct the behavior. Before I was supervisor, it was just about doing the right thing. If TYTT actually knew me, my name, and my department, a simple google search would reveal to him that I’ve been involved in the arrest of off duty police officers breaking the law, as well as outing bad cops misbehaving on duty. He’s right that the system relies heavily upon the ethics and morality of rank and file cops. The vast, vast majority of cops fall into this category. In my experience, the majority of agencies are ready and willing to dole out punishment to cops doing things they shouldn’t be. Unfortunately for people like TYTT, this rarely results in the public hanging of those police officers. Cops are punished, paper trails do exist, and those paper trails are public record for those who know how to search them (it isn’t hard). 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 44 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: What did he do to get chased down? Of course you don’t know. Did he deserve it? Who knows but advocating shooting someone does not make you a tough guy. IMO it makes you an idiot and a HUGE part of the problem. Riiiiight. What possible justification does a pack of thugs have to beat a guy senseless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Judging by these riots, I'd say one good thing has occurred. The pandemic must be over. Do we get released from house arrest yet, or do we have to riot too? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: In my department, there are several mechanisms in place. Being a supervisor, one of my job tasks is conducting reviews of dashcam/ bodycam videos. The review is documented and flagged in the system. We also have to do periodic, random ride alongs with our subordinates. Stuff like that. Supervisors are responsible for their people, much like parents are for their kids. When issues, or the potential for issues, arise we do have resources to use to assist the officer and correct the behavior. Before I was supervisor, it was just about doing the right thing. If TYTT actually knew me, my name, and my department, a simple google search would reveal to him that I’ve been involved in the arrest of off duty police officers breaking the law, as well as outing bad cops misbehaving on duty. He’s right that the system relies heavily upon the ethics and morality of rank and file cops. The vast, vast majority of cops fall into this category. In my experience, the majority of agencies are ready and willing to dole out punishment to cops doing things they shouldn’t be. Unfortunately for people like TYTT, this rarely results in the public hanging of those police officers. Cops are punished, paper trails do exist, and those paper trails are public record for those who know how to search them (it isn’t hard). Keep safe out there man. Know lots of police here in rural town all pretty nice. Go to bars used to have couple beers with them. When I see them at the bar. They drive me back home when not working. Good people. Lots would never hurt people do the things whats right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Riiiiight. What possible justification does a pack of thugs have to beat a guy senseless? The police were right there to serve and protect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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