dave mcbride Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I just looked at the Bills QB stats going back 25 years, and Orton's 87.8 passer rating is the best by a Bills starting QB going back to 1991, when Kelly had a 97.6 rating. (I'm not counting Rob Johnson's 1998 season, in which Flutie made the vast majority of the throws.) Yeah, I know the rules have changed and numbers have gone up a bit across the board (except for the Bills!), but still: things haven't changed THAT much. I'm also one of those who see the stat as a good yardstick of performance, although I know it's not perfect. Anyway, I'm not trying to defend Orton (although I thought he was more or less ok). It's more an indictment of the lousy-to-occasionally-average qbing the Bills have had for such a long time. Anyway, it's up to Taylor to best 87.8! So far, the brass ring is in his grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Well, so far he's sitting at 103.6 and that's with 2 below average games. Not a bad start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Well the day can only get better from here! Thanks Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 The best thing Orton did for us was retire. That led to St Doug opting out and us bringing in some real coaches. Thanks Kyle, enjoy being a stay at home dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Well the day can only get better from here! Thanks Dave! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton was the best!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton's QB rating was flawed. The fact that he was a dual threat QB running out of both the "shotgun" and the "read option" offense allowed him to have more open targets. Thus, his numbers are artificially inflated. I know TT is a read option threat, but Orton perfected the read option (I think the coaches nicknamed it "the K-Run offense"). TT will surpass Orton's rating because I read somewhere that TT has been watching Orton film from last year to see how he utilized his speed and legs on read option plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton's QB rating was flawed. The fact that he was a dual threat QB running out of both the "shotgun" and the "read option" offense allowed him to have more open targets. Thus, his numbers are artificially inflated. I know TT is a read option threat, but Orton perfected the read option (I think the coaches nicknamed it "the K-Run offense"). TT will surpass Orton's rating because I read somewhere that TT has been watching Orton film from last year to see how he utilized his speed and legs on read option plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton was the best!!! I will forever remember Orton for this picture taken after the Detroit game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton's QB rating was flawed. The fact that he was a dual threat QB running out of both the "shotgun" and the "read option" offense allowed him to have more open targets. Thus, his numbers are artificially inflated. I know TT is a read option threat, but Orton perfected the read option (I think the coaches nicknamed it "the K-Run offense"). TT will surpass Orton's rating because I read somewhere that TT has been watching Orton film from last year to see how he utilized his speed and legs on read option plays. I miss Kyle the most this time of year. Everytime I see a Frankenstein costume or decoration, I think about his scrambling ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I will forever remember Orton for this picture taken after the Detroit game. Passable photoshop work no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Passable photoshop work no doubt. What is photoshopped? Not the pornstache, not the cuban the size of a little boys forearm, not the suit 1 size too small. Pure Orton at his finest. No photoshop here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 What is photoshopped? Not the pornstache, not the cuban the size of a little boys forearm, not the suit 1 size too small. Pure Orton at his finest. No photoshop here. He's just missing the bottle of Jack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 He's just missing the bottle of Jack... Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton's QB rating was flawed. The fact that he was a dual threat QB running out of both the "shotgun" and the "read option" offense allowed him to have more open targets. Thus, his numbers are artificially inflated. I know TT is a read option threat, but Orton perfected the read option (I think the coaches nicknamed it "the K-Run offense"). TT will surpass Orton's rating because I read somewhere that TT has been watching Orton film from last year to see how he utilized his speed and legs on read option plays. Agreed. Easy to have those kind of stats when you are an athletic running QB. Do you remember that one 45-yard run he had against the patriots? Basically outran Revis to the goal line. Wish we had a guy now with those wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 No photoshopping needed with this guy. Straight up BOSS. Google "Kyle Orton partying" and there are plenty of images to choose from (TBD wouldn't let me post any of them, I tried, not sure why.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Exactly. Upon review of the photo, his left hand is out of view. The bottle of Jack must be in his left hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I just looked at the Bills QB stats going back 25 years, and Orton's 87.8 passer rating is the best by a Bills starting QB going back to 1991, when Kelly had a 97.6 rating. (I'm not counting Rob Johnson's 1998 season, in which Flutie made the vast majority of the throws.) Yeah, I know the rules have changed and numbers have gone up a bit across the board (except for the Bills!), but still: things haven't changed THAT much. I'm also one of those who see the stat as a good yardstick of performance, although I know it's not perfect. Anyway, I'm not trying to defend Orton (although I thought he was more or less ok). It's more an indictment of the lousy-to-occasionally-average qbing the Bills have had for such a long time. Anyway, it's up to Taylor to best 87.8! So far, the brass ring is in his grasp. I will state that I hate any argument based on the NFL's passer rating. If statistics are like bikinis as stated by Aaron Levenstein, the NFL's NFL Passer rating is a retro fashion, one piece suit of QB stats. It is not only missing vital insight but it can be misleading as well. Some things missed: 1) QB runs for first downs and TDs which obviously is a plus for EJ and a huge plus for Tyrod. 2) QBs that avoid sacks or minimize the yardage lost to them, often by throwing an incomplete pass or sensing pressure and moving forward. 3) QB that lead scoring drives that are capped by a short yardage score by a RB. 4) QBs that can protect the ball at all times, whether in the pocket or out. QB fumbles are huge game changers, moreso than ints. Some ints are like punts or offer no advantage to the other team but a QB fumble lost rarely is . 5) The game context of when attempts, completions, TDs and Ints occur. The NFL passer rating can hide many flaws. Kyle Orton is the type of QB that benefits most from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jobu Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Upon review of the photo, his left hand is out of view. The bottle of Jack must be in his left hand. You are right, I think he is offering the dude on the phone a pull. Is that Russ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Agreed. Easy to have those kind of stats when you are an athletic running QB. Do you remember that one 45-yard run he had against the patriots? Basically outran Revis to the goal line. Wish we had a guy now with those wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagentqb Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton was pretty good the first few games until Marrone and Hacksaw got a hold of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton's QB rating was flawed. The fact that he was a dual threat QB running out of both the "shotgun" and the "read option" offense allowed him to have more open targets. Thus, his numbers are artificially inflated. I know TT is a read option threat, but Orton perfected the read option (I think the coaches nicknamed it "the K-Run offense"). TT will surpass Orton's rating because I read somewhere that TT has been watching Orton film from last year to see how he utilized his speed and legs on read option plays. I loved how he ran on 3rd and pu$$y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I loved how he ran on 3rd and pu$$y. Check your stats...that was an intentional slide to draw a penalty flag for roughing the passer. It didn't work out but it showed he had guts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) I will state that I hate any argument based on the NFL's passer rating. If statistics are like bikinis as stated by Aaron Levenstein, the NFL's NFL Passer rating is a retro fashion, one piece suit of QB stats. It is not only missing vital insight but it can be misleading as well. Some things missed: 1) QB runs for first downs and TDs which obviously is a plus for EJ and a huge plus for Tyrod. 2) QBs that avoid sacks or minimize the yardage lost to them, often by throwing an incomplete pass or sensing pressure and moving forward. 3) QB that lead scoring drives that are capped by a short yardage score by a RB. 4) QBs that can protect the ball at all times, whether in the pocket or out. QB fumbles are huge game changers, moreso than ints. Some ints are like punts or offer no advantage to the other team but a QB fumble lost rarely is . 5) The game context of when attempts, completions, TDs and Ints occur. The NFL passer rating can hide many flaws. Kyle Orton is the type of QB that benefits most from it. I can think of no stronger argument for the traditional passer rating system than the extremely strong correlation between the mostly lousy rating stats put up by Bills' QBs and the Bills QBs' mostly lousy performances for the last couple of decades. Edited October 21, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I can think of no stronger argument for the traditional passer rating system than the extremely strong correlation between the mostly lousy rating stats put up by Bills' QBs and the Bills QBs' mostly lousy performances for the last couple of decades. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Orton was the best!!! According to Brandon Marshal !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Man, we've had a lot of crappy QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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