Spygate to Deflategate-inside what split NE and NFL apart

[YoloinOhio]

@ProFootballTalk: Here's the full, unedited response to the latest ESPN report on the Patriots http://t.co/fj8FgpKri4

[Canadian Bills Fan]

How long until the Pats******** just say "leave us alone"?

 

 

 

CBF

[The Big Cat]

@ProFootballTalk: Here's the full, unedited response to the latest ESPN report on the Patriots http://t.co/fj8FgpKri4

 

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[Nanker]

Oh, and destroy their cell phones.

[eball]

Like I believe I said in the Brady* thread, it doesn't matter to me what penalties are assessed going forward.

 

Everybody knows the Pats** cheated, and any mention of their "legacy" contains multiple asterisks.

 

I hope the Bills knock the piss out of them on the 20th.

[chris heff]

Is there anyone outside of Patriot fans that doesn't believe they are still cheating?

[NoSaint]

None of this should surprise even a casual fan of the NFL.

 

The Patriots are serial cheaters, and everyone knows it.

 

 

I will never respect them, their owner, their QB, or any of their tainted victories.

 

Ever.

Agreed they have plenty of issues.

 

the flip side is it outlines the NFL steering investigations towards desired outcomes, has accusations of them asking for specific statements and materially changing them after receiving them to even better fit the narratives they are trying to sell.

 

the whole thing is a disaster, and until the nfl changes its culture, its hard to imagine that teams, and individuals will follow suit. i dont know how you fix it, without acknowledging that something was broken. i dont know that the nfl will ever do that.

Edited September 8, 2015 by NoSaint

[PortlandiaEast]

I wonder if the giants had lost those two super bowls to the Pats* (I am so glad they won)... giving the pats* 6 rings in the belichick era, it would make them look even more like cheaters and force a real investigation. That would have made it 01,03,04,07,11,14... with an undefeated record the year after spygate... it looks fishy even with 4SBs, but with 6? man... add a few more asterisks.

[Nanker]

The man behind the curtain helps

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/mysterious-ernie-adams-patriots-man-behind-curtain/IrNCfgrysUphGpkcIjEaBL/story.html

Would love if somehow he got "delayed" in getting to the P*A*T*S* locker room at halftime of The Bills game. Stuck in the elevator perhaps?

[May Day 10]

its just always been uncanny, the rate at which they "guess" correctly at the line for the past 15 years.

 

 

 

I think its starting. Im hoping that people do more and more digging and get more people to open up.

[YoloinOhio]

@ProFootballTalk: ESPN report suggests petty larceny from locker rooms and hotels in addition to alleged Patriots espionage http://t.co/9FxqNUHzAr

[Kelly the Dog]

That was a rather remarkable article although I had heard most of it before. I have even less respect for Goodell than I had before.

[PortlandiaEast]

In time, the truth will surface... it will all surface. Once the wave the pats* are riding ends, and people start retiring, more people will talk of their time with the patriots... there is only so much room under the rug for dirt to be swept.

[May Day 10]

this is some pretty earth moving stuff. Makes no side look very good.

 

 

Ultimately itll just get swept under and denied...

 

 

But I wonder how a guy like Pegula who bought in the same division for $1.4 billion feels about it

[Low Positive]

Could it be that the willingness to do what it takes to win at all costs that caused that Belichick to flip from the Jets to the Pats?

[thebandit27]

this is some pretty earth moving stuff. Makes no side look very good.

 

 

Ultimately itll just get swept under and denied...

 

 

But I wonder how a guy like Pegula who bought in the same division for $1.4 billion feels about it

 

Well, now that the AFC East boasts two of the 4 wealthiest owners in the game, and neither of them are Kraft, you have to think that some of the balance of power will shift.

[Iraq Vet]

They should be banned from an entire draft year and 5 million taken from the salary cap.

[May Day 10]

They should be banned from an entire draft year and 5 million taken from the salary cap.

 

It would be tough to impose any sort of retro punishments.

 

In a perfect world, I would like to see a period of cap restrictions as well as NFL 'auditors' with full access to all aspects of the organization for an indefinite period of time.

 

 

I have little doubt that there is much more going on than just the footballs

[NoSaint]

That was a rather remarkable article although I had heard most of it before. I have even less respect for Goodell than I had before.

yea, most of the pats stuff seemed to re-hash the known issues that we had heard of. did a good job compiling the accusations though, and some fresh confirmations from sources added validity.

 

the martz allegation of the league altering his statement before releasing it, among other things, were new to me - but not shocking. i know i told you about a hundred times that its really tough to assume anything they release is factual or assume pash was really just soft editing reports.

 

what a mess on all sides.

[todd]

The cheating is systemic.