ChasBB Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) ... The point is that the coaches are working with a LOT more information than the fans or the media. And a lot more goes into the decision of who to start and who to keep on the roster than preseason stats. The stats aren't meaningless, but they are just a small piece of the picture. That's the point I hope everyone understands. No one knows these guys better than the coaches do. Whichever QB is chosen to start week #1, I have 100% confidence in the decision the coaches arrvie at. It's great to know we have 3 capable starters if a guy goes down. Edited August 30, 2015 by ChasBB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Cut the cord on Matt C The Bills have 2 capable QB's in EJ and TT one of which had a perfect passer rating of 158.3. Manuel was 7 of 8 for 170 yards and 2 TDs; Taylor was 12 of 13 for 122 yards and a rushing TD; Cassel was 6 of 7 for 38 yards; and not to be left out, Simms was 5 of 5 for 65 yards and a TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Cut Cassel and then re-sign him after the season starts for half of what he's making. And you only have to pay him on a per-game basis Look around the league at what McCown, Moore, etc are making Cassel is getting the "going rate" for a vet backup No way he takes less. Injury bug will bite somewhere and he'd be sitting pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Look around the league at what McCown, Moore, etc are making Cassel is getting the "going rate" for a vet backup No way he takes less. Injury bug will bite somewhere and he'd be sitting pretty Moore is only getting $2.6M and McCown is going to be their starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If they're serious about making the playoffs this year you keep all 3 so you have enough depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) Look around the league at what McCown, Moore, etc are making Cassel is getting the "going rate" for a vet backup No way he takes less. Injury bug will bite somewhere and he'd be sitting pretty I disagree. McCown is a terrible comparison as he's looked a lot better* than Cassel this preseason and is going to start for a team. If Cassel is going to sit 3rd string and mentor he is in a very different situation. A pay cut to hold a clipboard might be very preferable to a roster cut for him - especially if the reworked deal includes escalators based on playing time. * Okay, "a lot better" is an overstatement. McCown has shown the ability to throw deep while Cassel has only dink-and-dunked. Keeping defenses honest with the threat of vertical passing is necessary for success in the NFL today. Edited August 30, 2015 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Based on what's been seen on the field, Taylor should start EJ is #2, Simms #3, and I'd be fine with either trade or cut Cassel. However as was pointed out earlier in this thread, what we've seen in the games is all against vanilla defense. How will either Taylor or Manual look against a normal defense. It's quite possible in practices Rex has had the defense show much more regular season game looks and in the process Taylor and EJ have both looked very shaky. Alot of the reports from training camp stated that particularly against EJ. Conversely maybe they deliberately held back what they wanted Cassell to do so all were saw were check downs. No idea what the decision will be, but could understand if it's not Taylor as the starter, it may be due to how they've looked playing against more complex looks and Cassell has looked better there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2 schools of thought; Yes, $4.something million added to the reported Dareus offer would move it out of 'dime a dozen' level, but, Arizona was on their way to being the best team in the League last year claiming a playoff spot earlier than any other team, when their QBs dropped like flies late in the season and quietly exited the playoffs. Do you think they wish they had Matt Cassel then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2 schools of thought; Yes, $4.something million added to the reported Dareus offer would move it out of 'dime a dozen' level, but, Arizona was on their way to being the best team in the League last year claiming a playoff spot earlier than any other team, when their QBs dropped like flies late in the season and quietly exited the playoffs. Do you think they wish they had Matt Cassel then? Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2 schools of thought; Yes, $4.something million added to the reported Dareus offer would move it out of 'dime a dozen' level, but, Arizona was on their way to being the best team in the League last year claiming a playoff spot earlier than any other team, when their QBs dropped like flies late in the season and quietly exited the playoffs. Do you think they wish they had Matt Cassel then? Exactly. Injuries are the reason you keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If they're serious about making the playoffs this year you keep all 3 so you have enough depth. They are serious and this is why they will keep him. I've come 180 degrees on this since starting to read the thread, 4 mil is not a lot at this late stage and we may need a third QB to step in late. This is the best QB situation we could have hoped for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Exactly. Injuries are the reason you keep him.Yep. And no one in the world knows yet how well the 2015 Taylor or the 2015 EJ will fare in the regular season with real bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Exactly. Injuries are the reason you keep him. I agree you keep him regardless, but if you are going to cut Cassel you do not cut him until at least AFTER the Patriots game. If Jimmy G gets hurt against Pittsburgh......and all it would take was a poor decision to run and a well placed hit by Shazier........then you get to face Ryan Lindley instead of a veteran like Cassel. I'd like my chances either way but Lindley = an automatic W regardless of BB's gameplan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Moore is only getting $2.6M and McCown is going to be their starter. Pish tush. Moore was making $4M + $1.5M prorated bonus last year. He took a hometown discount, it seems to stay with the Pfish, I don't think that changes the point. McCown was in a competition to start, just like Cassel here. Looks like he won (for now), doesn't mean he'll stay starting, doesn't mean a smart team tosses the vet in the trash if he doesn't start - way to keep a motivated QB room. Fitzie's getting $3.25M, he was the backup, now he's the starter. So the league turns. Cassel's getting $4.125M plus a roster and workout bonus already paid - that's really not that diff, I think the point stands that he's not getting that far off the "going rate" for a quality vet backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandiaEast Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Excellent point on cutting one now... BB would scoop cassel up instantly. Gamesmenship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'm amazed that people believe that because of last night that we now have 3 capable starters. We don't know if we have 1 capable starter for the regular season. The Steelers defense has looked like hot garbage all preseason. It was their 4th preseason game and they sat their starters early plus they were missing 3 starters to begin with... You keep all 3 and hope they manage through the season. Given the styles of play, it's a good bet EJ or Tyrod gets hurt if they are the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think the question comes down to; do you want to risk playing Simms if it comes down to it or do you not trust Simms to be as meh as Cassel? If both EJ and TT go down I'd be fine with Simms tbh. Then again the dislike I have for Cassel (as a QB) is huge, the guy doesn't just reek of mediocrity he stinks, bad as in very foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Pish tush. Moore was making $4M + $1.5M prorated bonus last year. He took a hometown discount, it seems to stay with the Pfish, I don't think that changes the point. McCown was in a competition to start, just like Cassel here. Looks like he won (for now), doesn't mean he'll stay starting, doesn't mean a smart team tosses the vet in the trash if he doesn't start - way to keep a motivated QB room. Fitzie's getting $3.25M, he was the backup, now he's the starter. So the league turns. Cassel's getting $4.125M plus a roster and workout bonus already paid - that's really not that diff, I think the point stands that he's not getting that far off the "going rate" for a quality vet backup. Just because 2 teams have high-paid backups, it doesn't mean the Bills should or even need to. EJ has started and won games before and Taylor backed-up a SB-winning QB. Cassel himself had 4 years to sit and learn from Brady, which is similar to Taylor. And if we're down to the 3rd QB during a game/the season, the Bills are in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Just because 2 teams have high-paid backups, it doesn't mean the Bills should or even need to. EJ has started and won games before and Taylor backed-up a SB-winning QB. Cassel himself had 4 years to sit and learn from Brady, which is similar to Taylor. And if we're down to the 3rd QB during a game/the season, the Bills are in trouble. Not if our 3rd QB is Matt Cassel. We'd be in trouble if it was Matt Simms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Not if our 3rd QB is Matt Cassel. We'd be in trouble if it was Matt Simms. If it comes down to that, call him up during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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