C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 His replacement may be brown at less than 700k and that would put Fred in bryces healthy scratch role- would that be more appreciated? Honest question What if McCoy blows up because he hates a play call? Who do trust more keeping him in line - Jackson or Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Hard to believe he goes from this to cut in 24 hours though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Smells highly fishy to me. He's on the last year of a contract with no guaranteed money for 2015. No need to do this now and in such a classless manner. Let him come to camp and compete. If he can't beat out Powell, then so be it. But I believe a fully-healed Freddie at $2.7 million has a lot to offer this team in 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Hard to believe he goes from this to cut in 24 hours though... It's why players should never think about the team or the fans. They should get every cent they can. Such a dirty business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What if McCoy blows up because he hates a play call? Who do trust more keeping him in line - Jackson or Brown? Quite the hypothetical - is there a reason that McCoy is out of control and that a guy that's actually known him much longer is the worse option? Or Fred's better than anyone else on our 53 and coaching staff etc... In this role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Smells highly fishy to me. He's on the last year of a contract with no guaranteed money for 2015. No need to do this now and in such a classless manner. Let him come to camp and compete. If he can't beat out Powell, then so be it. But I believe a fully-healed Freddie at $2.7 million has a lot to offer this team in 2015 Agree 100%. It's like the news of EJ getting cut. Why not let them compete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I know it's a business and that this day would eventually come but it's still very sad to me. I wanted Freddie to experience the thrill of the playoffs with us, as a Buffalo Bill. He's been the ultimate team player and has toiled proudly for this organization and community. He is an all-time fave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 His replacement may be brown at less than 700k and that would put Fred in bryces healthy scratch role- would that be more appreciated? Honest question IDK. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What I want to know is whether the decision is performance related or money related? Despite 34 years on the body, Freddie can still play but maybe for another year or so. Which begs the question of why did the Bills extend him for two years last year if they didn't think he can still perform at a high level? Is the team going back to Freddie and asking to take a pay cut, or are they saying goodbye? I can see how he may be a tad expensive right now at nearly $3 million and he wouldn't get that in the open market. But he's a great option for the #3 RB for at least another year. I watched Powell last year, and he was the 3rd option with the Jets, behind Ivory and CJ. I don't think he's better than Freddie, just more economical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Brown had a lower ypc than old Freddy last year. And... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Smells highly fishy to me. He's on the last year of a contract with no guaranteed money for 2015. No need to do this now and in such a classless manner. Let him come to camp and compete. If he can't beat out Powell, then so be it. But I believe a fully-healed Freddie at $2.7 million has a lot to offer this team in 2015 I'll agree unless giving him a shot to get money before money dries up is the reason. I HATE that at QB but for Fred it might be a nice gift. Releasing him August 31 might end his career, this gives him every chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Quite the hypothetical - is there a reason that McCoy is out of control and that a guy that's actually known him much longer is the worse option? Or Fred's better than anyone else on our 53 and coaching staff etc... In this role? Ryan seems like he lets players do what they want on the field. I think the Jets have had issues with players fighting on he field (sanchez and Holmes comes to mind). Also, McCoy has been known to blow up. Leadership is so underrated, especially in football. This team could blow up badly if things start off slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What I want to know is whether the decision is performance related or money related? Despite 34 years on the body, Freddie can still play but maybe for another year or so. Which begs the question of why did the Bills extend him for two years last year if they didn't think he can still perform at a high level? Is the team going back to Freddie and asking to take a pay cut, or are they saying goodbye? I can see how he may be a tad expensive right now at nearly $3 million and he wouldn't get that in the open market. But he's a great option for the #3 RB for at least another year. I watched Powell last year, and he was the 3rd option with the Jets, behind Ivory and CJ. I don't think he's better than Freddie, just more economical. money......$2.7 cap hit...zero dead money if cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 And... So maybe Brown isn't as good as you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 IDK. Maybe. It's a tough spot when a LOVED player ages. Not sure myself there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Smells highly fishy to me. He's on the last year of a contract with no guaranteed money for 2015. No need to do this now and in such a classless manner. Let him come to camp and compete. If he can't beat out Powell, then so be it. But I believe a fully-healed Freddie at $2.7 million has a lot to offer this team in 2015 How is cutting a player in March a classless manner? Wouldn't it be worse to keep him around through camp only to cut him then leaving him without a team and waiting for an injury? Seriously come on Cutting him now would give Fred plenty of time to find a new team before they make other signings. Edited March 9, 2015 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Rex Ryan has nothing invested in FJ, like so many Bills fans do. This is Rex's team now. He's not here to keep players on the team just to make the fans happy. He is here to help build a winner. He apparently doesn't see FJ as part of that, and at Fred's age, I can understand that. I can easily see Eric Wood taking on a bigger leadership role on the offense if FJ is let go. I'm a huge Jackson fan, but I'm not gonna say this team is crazy if they let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's a tough spot when a LOVED player ages. Not sure myself there.The steelers are going through it with Polamalu. They told him he could retire or they would need to cut him; they are moving on. I guess as a non steelers fan it was obvious to me they already had, on the field at least. I didn't see that with Fred. I felt like he was still a big part of the offense and when he was hurt, it made the offense less productive. But I guess a new staff sees otherwise from film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 He would retire before he played for the.pats. He's not moving his family from buffalo he could ( I would) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Analytics has a tough time quantifying factors like leadership. I often think those things are overrated, but on an offense filled with young guys it's hard to argue that a guy like FJ isn't worth a roster spot and < $2m in cap space (his replacement won't be free). Anything can be quantified (or at least approximated). If they have a player value model that doesn't have leadership parameters, that's just disappointing. Most out of the box employee perf review systems figured out metrics for that stuff, it's just that the cap dictates productivity as a priority, not locker room strength. I hope we see him get one playoff game in a bills jersey, but understand why he might not get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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