Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 This trade makes me think even more now that the Bills are going to go after a big name TE CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 For those of you who want to trash Whaley for this trade so quickly, ask yourselves these questions: a) Did the Pats*, Jets, and Fish see the trade and think, "great, the Bills just got worse?" b) Did the Cowboys, Skins, and Giants see the trade and think, "damn, now the Eagles are better?" Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @ProFootballTalk: If Bills finalize trade for LeSean and he doesn't show, the team's leverage would be $3.4 million in remaining signing bonus allocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He's had more success than Chip in the NFL running offenses. But yes he is not on their level. He is, however, pretty highly regarded. Chip is walking a highwire here. If he doesn't get production at QB this year he has nothing to fall back on. And the Philly media will eat him alive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He's had more success than Chip in the NFL running offenses. But yes he is not on their level. He is, however, pretty highly regarded. Not true. The Eagles were 3rd in points and 5th in yards in 2014, and fourth in points and second in yards in 2013. In Roman's four seasons with SF, here's what his offense did: 2011: 11th in yards and 26th in points 2012: 11th in yards and 11th in points 2013: 11th in yards and 24th in points 2014: 25th in yards and 20th in points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 13. Kim takes him to Tempo. She tips well. Shady is impressed. Impressed? Confused? Both? Hopefully inspired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 the "source close to McCoy" is probably his agent. Just wants more guaranteed $. IMO. That's the way I read it as well. "Restructure to give him more guaranteed money...and we'll have a deal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) If you asked every approximately 120 owners, GMs, HCs, and OCs to name the top 5-6 running backs in the NFL, virtually all of them would include McCoy. If you asked the same people the same question about linebackers, I doubt you would get one Kiko Alonso, although it's possible, and Kiko is very good. We got a star player, and like Watkins, you cannot win without star players. That said, if you asked those 120, who is worth more, McCoy at 10m or Kiko at 775,000, there would be quite a range of opinions and most would likely say Kiko. Not true. The Eagles were 3rd in points and 5th in yards in 2014, and fourth in points and second in yards in 2013. In Roman's four seasons with SF, here's what his offense did: 2011: 11th in yards and 26th in points 2012: 11th in yards and 11th in points 2013: 11th in yards and 24th in points 2014: 25th in yards and 20th in points True. They went to three championship games. Yards and points are completely distorted by the Eagles because they run so many more plays. Edited March 4, 2015 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnysteel Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't have time to read through all 57 (at this point) pages of replies...so i'm sure it's been stated. but i have to weigh in: The Bills continue their trend of over-paying for running backs. I'm ok with trading Kiko. but how about to move back into the first round, or for a tight end or QB? Makes no sense to trade for a running back entering his 7th year in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 If you asked every approximately 160 owners, GMs, HCs, and OCs to name the top 5-6 running backs in the NFL, virtually all of them would include McCoy. If you asked the same people the same question about linebackers, I doubt you would get one Kiko Alonso, although it's possible, and Kiko is very good. We got a star player, and like Watkins, you cannot win without star players. That said, if you asked those 160, who is worth more, McCoy at 10m or Kiko at 775,000, there would be quite a range of opinions and most would likely say Kiko. True. They went to two championship games. thats probably a fair assessment and a good way to frame it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Not true. The Eagles were 3rd in points and 5th in yards in 2014, and fourth in points and second in yards in 2013. In Roman's four seasons with SF, here's what his offense did: 2011: 11th in yards and 26th in points 2012: 11th in yards and 11th in points 2013: 11th in yards and 24th in points 2014: 25th in yards and 20th in points How many championship games has Kelly been to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) True. They went to two championship games. Yards and points are completely distorted by the Eagles because they run so many more plays. ... or maybe the Niners just have an awesome defense. Which they did. The point is pretty inarguable, Dog! Belichick is checking out Kelly's practices for insight, not Roman's. And I think Roman is basically fine. Edited March 4, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 How many championship games has Kelly been to? Better yet, lets start at playoff wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 How many championship games has Kelly been to? what does that have to do with anything? The Niners were a defense first team. Better yet, lets start at playoff wins. Roman has none. He was an OC on a defense first team, not a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 what does that have to do with anything? The Niners were a defense first team. Roman has none. He was an OC on a defense first team, not a head coach. So all those playoff games were won 3-0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 what does that have to do with anything? The Niners were a defense first team. Roman has none. He was an OC on a defense first team, not a head coach. Alex Smith was horrible before Roman and Harbaugh got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 If you asked every approximately 160 owners, GMs, HCs, and OCs to name the top 5-6 running backs in the NFL, virtually all of them would include McCoy. If you asked the same people the same question about linebackers, I doubt you would get one Kiko Alonso, although it's possible, and Kiko is very good. We got a star player, and like Watkins, you cannot win without star players. That said, if you asked those 160, who is worth more, McCoy at 10m or Kiko at 775,000, there would be quite a range of opinions and most would likely say Kiko. True. They went to two championship games. Yards and points are completely distorted by the Eagles because they run so many more plays. Those are good points and a fair assessment And as good as Kiko was his rookie year, he's still an unknown. Was it the dline in front of him? Was it just a good rookie year and thats it? Is his knee completely healed? The Bills were able to turn a player who is good but replaceable into an elite talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 So all those playoff games were won 3-0? Are you really trying to argue that Kelly isn't a brilliant and innovative offensive mind? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Why not? Philly has bad winters too. CBF Plus Philly is a craphole of a city. Pointing fingers at Buffalo is the last thing they should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Are you really trying to argue that Kelly isn't a brilliant and innovative offensive mind? Seriously? Thank you. I don't take the compliment lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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