metzelaars_lives Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm with you 1000%...but we are in a dwindling minority. I still have hope for EJ...but it looks like he might get the axe. Well for your sake, keep your fingers crossed that part of Rex's evaluation process does not involve watching game tape from last season and maybe they'll keep Manuel around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I don't care how Orton compares to any other mediocre qb in this league. After watching him perform last year I consider him to be unacceptable as a starting qb for us. If Whaley brought him back as a starter I would strongly advocate that Whaley be fired for incompetence. I'm aware that McCown is an average to below-average qb at best. But at least he can move and is dedicated enough to work out in the offseason and come into camp fit, something that Orton didn't do. Orton should have been benched and cut as soon as he slid short on 4th down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 This could be a breaking point. Whaley wants Manuel to get a shot at the job. If Ryan doesn't let him, I could see Whaley leaving. IMO, that would be a mistake because I think Whaley has built a good roster. sigh, can we please get a functional organization?! Wtf is that so much to ask? Whaley leaving would piss me off so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Wow people are really hopping around the jump to conclusions mat on this thread. Whaley leaving in a dispute over Manuel? Come on guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 leroi appears to have real info, and that is the plan. Understood but don't get upset until or if it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 he has said it twice now (two separate occasions) I'm holding out hope its opinion too but I'm sick that it seems to be real info. I really hope it's his opinion because I would start to question the direction we are going. Rex has a terrible record with Qbs. Sign Locker fine. But to cut EJ for a 12 year vet with a worse qb rating and record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 he said EJ would be cut two days after FA starts. The battle is between mccown and locker. Unless I'm missing something, where did he say something about Locker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 sigh, can we please get a functional organization?! Wtf is that so much to ask? Whaley leaving would piss me off so much. You're usually pretty composed on here. You're overreacting to speculation like it already happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Wow people are really hopping around the jump to conclusions mat on this thread. Whaley leaving in a dispute over Manuel? Come on guys. Haha probably. I just knows that Whaley really, really likes EJ and still has high hopes for him. If he doesn't get a least a shot to win the job, I think that would mean he is pretty powerless in the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Leroi just blindsided the EJ Dreamers. We're going to need a cart on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Unless I'm missing something, where did he say something about Locker? He said that Locker and McCown would battle it out in training camp and McCown would win the job. That part makes me think this is just his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Unless I'm not understanding correctly.... EJ would cost us $5m in dead money if we cut him... Is he really so bad that we would spend $5m to get rid of him in favor of McCown and Locker? It really makes zero sense, and I'm officially not believing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Leroi is Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You're usually pretty composed on here. You're overreacting to speculation like it already happened.sorry. Taking it as info. Maybe I shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well for your sake, keep your fingers crossed that part of Rex's evaluation process does not involve watching game tape from last season and maybe they'll keep Manuel around. I'm not ready to sign off on a QB after 14 games. Don't hand him anything...but to cut him now is bizarre. If they are convinced he sucks....and cut him. they better be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I don't care how Orton compares to any other mediocre qb in this league. After watching him perform last year I consider him to be unacceptable as a starting qb for us. If Whaley brought him back as a starter I would strongly advocate that Whaley be fired for incompetence. I'm aware that McCown is an average to below-average qb at best. But at least he can move and is dedicated enough to work out in the offseason and come into camp fit, something that Orton didn't do. I'm not saying that he was good. They needed to upgrade. I am simply putting the hyperbole check on. Compare Orton in the 2nd half to Hoyer and it isn't even close. Orton cannot be considered "the worst" for that reason. Also, I am taking Leroi's word as gospel. He's earned it. Edited February 27, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 EJ Manuel is horrible. And McCown is such a stellar mark of elite QB play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I like you Kirby but man do you overrate Bradford. He hasn't even been part of a team with a winning record in the pros much less the playoffs. I pretty much agree with all of this. Our best bet is if EJ or another young guy transforms this year. Guys like Hoyer, McCown, & Orton are just so whatever. Make no mistake about which qb Rex is going to favor entering training camp. It is going to be the veteran qb over the younger and more physically imposing qb. One of the primary reasons why Rex went through such a disasterous season last year is that his young qb made poor decisions (making the right reads and protecting the ball) and was an erratic passer. Do you think that he wants to go through that same ordeal with his new team? Rex would be more than willing to have a care taker veteran qb who although very much limited as a player knows how to play and manage the game. Rex is not a fool. EJ is going to be given a chance to compete with McCown or whoever is brought in. If he demonstrates that he is a better option he will be the starter. In my view the HC's bias is going to be leaning toward the more experienced qb. Whether EJ is the starter or not because of the injury factor in a long season he will be given an opportunity to get playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 This could be a breaking point. Whaley wants Manuel to get a shot at the job. If Ryan doesn't let him, I could see Whaley leaving. IMO, that would be a mistake because I think Whaley has built a good roster. You are assuming that Whaley's public statements on EJ were his true beliefs, always dangerous when you're talking about an NFL GM. Personally I don't know why they'd cut EJ other than not enough off season snaps to go around. I'm not a fan, but, this is puzzling if true. I suppose the 2nd day of FA is give. Because the Bills expect to sign a QB day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Orton should have been benched and cut as soon as he slid short on 4th down. Without words that play said it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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