I'm just about done with Marrone and Hackett

[Bangarang]

Let me preface this with this is not an overreaction based solely on today's game. I've criticized Hackett going back to the first few weeks of year 1 under this coaching staff. I think they would be great for college football and that's probably where they can carve out respectable careers. I absolutely do not think they are cut out for the NFL.

 

When Marrone was hired he said the coordinators he would hire needed thorough NFL experience. He sat in front of the media and with Bills fans watching he uttered those words. The very next day he hired Hackett whose highest NFL coaching title was Offensive Quality Control. That's a joke in and of itself.

 

Marrone was supposed to be an offensive minded coach having been the OC for the Saints under Sean Payton. That to me is the equivalent of Curtis Modkins being the OC under Chan Gailey. It's a largely meaningless title. He's supposed to be some offensive line guru having been a player and coach but our line has been absolutely brutal this year regardless of who is playing QB. The o-line has gotten worse since Marrone took over which is saying a lot.

 

Marrone and Hackett have absolutely no idea of how to use Spiller and it's disgusting. It's 3rd and short and they want to run CJ into a large pile when that IS NOT his game. You have Fred Jackson and Anthony Dixon and the ball should be going to them nearly 100% of the time in those situations. It absolutely boggles the mind.

 

Then there's the Sammy thing where he only gets targeted 3 times. I understand he's being covered by Revis but this kid is going to be elite and he's a guy who is open even when he's covered. Just throw the ****ing ball in his direction and see if he can make a play on the ball. Who knows, there might be a defensive penalty. But, to completely avoid him for most of the game is completely inexcusable. Did Marrone not watch how Clemson used him? The kid is explosive so why not throw a few WR screens early in the game to at least make Revis respect him enough to give him a little cushion? There are so many ways to get Watkins involved that it's criminal to just not even design plays to get him the ball in space.

 

Can anyone tell me what our identity is on offense because I really have no idea at this point. It's pretty evident that Marrone and Hackett are going to run whatever offense they want regardless of our personnel. You would think these guys would have watched how Spiller was effective in Chan's offense and try and incorporate those things. You would think they would see how Watkins was used at Clemson and try and get some of those plays for our offense. Nope.

 

These guys wanted to run a no huddle, hurry up offense their 1st year despite having a rookie QB because that's what they were dead set on doing regardless of our personnel. Then they decide to slow things down in year 2 trying to tell us that's what's best for our personnel? Ummm, our offense isn't exactly overhauled so why change your minds now? These guys just don't know what they want or how to use our most explosive players.

 

I haven't even mentioned EJ who I think Marrone and Hackett ruined. They had this kid playing so robotic and scared. They have taken away his ability to run which made him an intriguing prospect to begin with.

 

Just seems like they had this kid avoiding taking risks that lead to bad plays which I can understand but now it seems like he avoids takin risks that could lead to big and positive plays.

 

I just don't think they are capable of identifying what our players do well and developing an offense and gameplan around those strengths.

 

Just look at the job Kyle Shannahan is doing in Cleveland. He's young but it also looks like he's got a pretty decent mind for this offensive coordinator thing.

 

Am I alone in thinking these things?

Edited October 13, 2014 by Bangarang

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Let me preface this with this is not an overreaction based solely on today's game. I've criticized Hackett going back to the first few weeks of year 1 under this coaching staff. I think they would be great for college football and that's probably where they can carve out respectable careers. I absolutely do not think they are cut out for the NFL.

 

When Marrone was hired he said the coordinators he would hire needed thorough NFL experience. He sat in front of the media and with Bills fans watching he uttered those words. The very next day he hired Hackett whose highest NFL coaching title was Offensive Quality Control. That's a joke in and of itself.

 

Marrone was supposed to be an offensive minded coach having been the OC for the Saints under Sean Payton. That to me is the equivalent of Curtis Modkins being the OC under Chan Gailey. It's a largely meaningless title. He's supposed to be some offensive line guru having been a player and coach but our line has been absolutely brutal this year regardless of who is playing QB. The o-line has gotten worse since Marrone took over which is saying a lot.

 

Marrone and Hackett have absolutely no idea of how to use Spiller and it's disgusting. It's 3rd and short and they want to run CJ into a large pile when that IS NOT his game. You have Fred Jackson and Anthony Dixon and the ball should be going to them nearly 100% of the time in those situations. It absolutely boggles the mind.

 

Then there's the Sammy thing where he only gets targeted 3 times. I understand he's being covered by Revis but this kid is going to be elite and he's a guy who is open even when he's covered. Just throw the ****ing ball in his direction and see if he can make a play on the ball. Who knows, there might be a defensive penalty. But, to completely avoid him for most of the game is completely inexcusable. Did Marrone not watch how Clemson used him? The kid is explosive so why not throw a few WR screens early in the game to at least make Revis respect him enough to give him a little cushion? There are so many ways to get Watkins involved that it's criminal to just not even design plays to get him the ball in space.

 

Can anyone tell me what our identity is on offense because I really have no idea at this point. It's pretty evident that Marrone and Hackett are going to run whatever offense they want regardless of our personnel. You would think these guys would have watched how Spiller was effective in Chan's offense and try and incorporate those things. You would think they would see how Watkins was used at Clemson and try and get some of those plays for our offense. Nope.

 

These guys wanted to run a no huddle, hurry up offense their 1st year despite having a rookie QB because that's what they were dead set on doing regardless of our personnel. Then they decide to slow things down in year 2 trying to tell us that's what's best for our personnel? Ummm, our offense isn't exactly overhauled so why change your minds now? These guys just don't know what they want or how to use our most explosive players.

 

I haven't even mentioned EJ who I think Marrone and Hackett ruined. They had this kid playing so robotic and scared. They have taken away his ability to run which made him an intriguing prospect to begin with.

 

Just seems like they had this kid avoiding taking risks that lead to bad plays which I can understand but now it seems like he avoids takin risks that could lead to big and positive plays.

 

I just don't think they are capable of identifying what our players do well and developing an offense and gameplan around those strengths.

 

Just look at the job Kyle Shannahan is doing in Cleveland. He's young but it also looks like he's got a pretty decent mind for this offensive coordinator thing.

 

Am I alone in thinking these things?

 

No, you are not alone. Marrone and Hackett have been in over their head since day 1.

[Dragonborn10]

Haw can they have an identity on offense when switched from EJ to Orton? They couldn't be two different QB's. How do you sit a veteran WR in the biggest game of the year? With this **** offensive line they should spread everyone wide and throw short crossing routes. Let's see who else does that??? Could it be the Patriots, Seahawks, Broncos, and Chargers????

Marrone and Hackett are in over their head.

[HeHateMe]

Have to be the worst or at least tied for being the worst staff in the NFL. It's not even debatable. They were both mediocre at the collegiate level. When has a mediocre college coach gone on to do great things in the NFL?

[BuffOrange]

No you're 100% right.

[atlbillsfan1975]

I remember you and I last year being on the same side when it came to Hackett. I hate the fact that we are right, but Hackett is inept. Marrone and his oline look worse then ever despite the fact that the Bills have been devoting draft picks to it and FA.

The only saving thing Marrone could do is fire Hackett tomorrow and show some leadership.

I think we are stuck with Marrone for next year because no good coach wants to come into no first round pick and no qb.

[Max997]

This offensive scheme and play calling are just comical...no idea how to utilize their players

Edited October 13, 2014 by Max997

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Have to be the worst or at least tied for being the worst staff in the NFL. It's not even debatable. They were both mediocre at the collegiate level. When has a mediocre college coach gone on to do great things in the NFL?

 

Mediocre??? Doug Marrone on what he calls a miracle is going .500 in Syracuse. I guess if he can go 8-8 this year he can be canonized as St. Doug.

Edited October 13, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever

[patfitz]

Billy Belli Came To Town, A riding on a Brady, and took the game from Doug Marrone, like candy from a baby!

[Dirtbag]

Mediocre??? Doug Marrone on what he calls a miracle is going .500 in Syracuse. I guess if he can go 8-8 this year he can be canonized as St. Doug.

in fairness to st. doug, i think he also considered that pinstripe bowl appearance part of the miracle.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Dirtbag

[GG]

Today was proof of what happens when JV plays against varsity.

 

Which team was down to their fourth string OLs?

[billsfan714]

I dont see many guys being coached up, especially on offense. Mike Wiliams is a former 1000 yard receiver who wasnt even dressed for the game. CJ up the gut out of shotgun, well we all know what that has lead to. We were running a slight read option with no option for the D to ever think about. Limited targets to Sammy. The offensive line...not being improved. I was watching the Chiefs game against the Pats and was amazed at some of the plays, the motion....the fakes...the mis-direction. How often do we ever put 30 plus points?

 

The talent on this team exceeds the coach's ability to maximize it.

 

Nate Hackett should be getting coffee and donuts for the morning meeting of a real offensive coordinator.

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm teetering on these guys too, Bang

[Gray Beard]

I totally agree about Marrone and Hackett. I thought at first that Marrone would work out. I think those thoughts are gone now.

I would like to add Schwartz to that list. No defensive imagination at all.

These coaches have so much talent to work with, and just a few deficiencies that could reasonably be worked around (Oline, for example.).

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I wonder if any of the players ever give input into the offense. For example, spiller had a great season during chan's last year; I wonder if he has gone to Hackett to offer suggestions of what they did well that year. Eg, spiller never splits out wide anymore, when he did it all the time when chan was here.

[Dragonborn10]

Marrone chose three TE's over Mike Williams. In essence he chose one of the worst players in the NFL in Lee Smith over a proven veteran WR. Another bad decision in a short career worth of bad decisions.

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Marrone chose three TE's over Mike Williams. In essence he chose one of the worst players in the NFL in Lee Smith over a proven veteran WR. Another bad decision in a short career worth of bad decisions.

 

Yup.

[The Big Cat]

Have to be the worst or at least tied for being the worst staff in the NFL. It's not even debatable. They were both mediocre at the collegiate level. When has a mediocre college coach gone on to do great things in the NFL?

 

It's highly debatable.

[The_Dude]

I've had an issue since the begging with how they've f'd up the QB position.

[billsfan714]

Marrone chose three TE's over Mike Williams. In essence he chose one of the worst players in the NFL in Lee Smith over a proven veteran WR. Another bad decision in a short career worth of bad decisions.

 

Can anyone tell me what Lee Smith adds to the offense that another OT wouldnt?

Edited October 13, 2014 by billsfan714

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Chip Kelly was a 1st tier college head coach and the Bills landed a 2nd tier college coach and a 3rd tier coordinator.

[LeGOATski]

I wonder if any of the players ever give input into the offense. For example, spiller had a great season during chan's last year; I wonder if he has gone to Hackett to offer suggestions of what they did well that year. Eg, spiller never splits out wide anymore, when he did it all the time when chan was here.

 

Overall, I'm in the same boat as you in regards to Spiller. However, Spiller has lined up out wide plenty of times this year. I think Fitz was more willing to get him the ball and we had less weapons at WR during that time.

[Chris in Syracuse]

I am watching the Eagles game and thinking if you want a college coach we should have pursued Chip Kelly.

[rcatty]

We had a great OL under Chan and Joe D, that Marrone has ruined.

 

I can't understand for the life of me why teams like the Patriots get 100 yard plus receiving from guys like Edelman and Welker (before he left) basically running delays over the middle, and we can't do that with Sammy or Goodwin ????

 

We need Chan as Off coordinator. I remember very clearly how he got Spiller going, and I remember that it took him awhile to coach him up. These guys don't really have a clue. They are in way over their heads.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

 

 

Overall, I'm in the same boat as you in regards to Spiller. However, Spiller has lined up out wide plenty of times this year. I think Fitz was more willing to get him the ball and we had less weapons at WR during that time.

 

You might be right-- I probably don't notice him splitting out wide because they never throw it to him.

[LeGOATski]

 

 

You might be right-- I probably don't notice him splitting out wide because they never throw it to him.

 

Yeah. Never.

 

Just like we never threw Sammy the ball in the first half today.

 

I don't get it.

[BRAWNDO]

I am watching the Eagles game and thinking if you want a college coach we should have pursued Chip Kelly.

 

They did. He wasn't interested.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8810344/chip-kelly-interview-buffalo-bills-friday

[BillsFan130]

very good post, I agree with everything you said. You are spot on about watching some film on how chan gailey used spiller and how Clemson used Watkins, I have been saying that all along. Makes no sense why they don't implement their abilities in our vanilla brutal offence

[Bills Fan in MD]

I agree with you and while I'm not one to point out silver linings of losses, being exposed the way they were today may be hard to sweep under the rug. This team looked like a mess, poorly coached and sloppy as hell. Absent a major turnaround, there's just no way the Pegulas don't remember this one for a long, long time, and come December, there will be accountability.

[HailMary]

I remember you and I last year being on the same side when it came to Hackett. I hate the fact that we are right, but Hackett is inept. Marrone and his oline look worse then ever despite the fact that the Bills have been devoting draft picks to it and FA.

The only saving thing Marrone could do is fire Hackett tomorrow and show some leadership.

I think we are stuck with Marrone for next year because no good coach wants to come into no first round pick and no qb.

 

Firing Hackett would be another step in the right direction but would send a bad message to ownership about Marrone's judgement in the first place since he hired him. Marrone will likely fall on the sword for his staff since a move like that would have little impact because Marrone would be calling the plays from a playbook that's not working with Spiller and WRs. Time to sit CJ down and see if Bryce Brown can provide a spark with Jackson. Whaley should get on the phone with Jerry Jones and move CJ for a conditional pick. He'd be great spelling Murray behind that O Line.

[thewildrabbit]

I agree with the OP, and Hackett will be Marrone's downfall.

 

The Bills have put a ton of money, and draft picks into the defense the last 5 years having 9 of 11 players drafted with either a 1st or second round pick. Now recently they have been trying to build the offense, and yet nobody really knows exactly how do do that. They keep finding square pegs, and trying to fit them into round holes.

 

Meaning that they drafted a certain type of QB that needed developmental time, and yet threw him into the fray with no QB coach. no vet QB, and Buddy Hackett calling all the shots. This OC is damned and defiant about making the players fit a certain scheme, rather then building an offense around the players he already has on the roster. Then finding ways to get the most out of every player on offense. Last year he ran the hurry up offense that lead the league in rushing attempts, and all it got him was a hurry up and punt scheme that went 6-10.

 

The man clearly doesn't have a clue how to build a really productive run game, and Marrone isn't helping with his thinking he can get scrubs to play OG and make do with them.

 

The Player Doug Whaley gave up 2 first round picks for to get in WR Sammy Watkins only saw 3 attempts to get him the ball all game. Along with 2 catches for 27 yards. Now extrapolate that out to 8 catches, and see what yardage you have.

 

This regime isn't quite as lame as Chan Gailey, and his 4-12 & 6-10 seasons. But he is really, really close 8-8 max I'd say.

 

Put a fork in this coaching staff.

[billsfan714]

Firing Hackett would be another step in the right direction but would send a bad message to ownership about Marrone's judgement in the first place since he hired him. Marrone will likely fall on the sword for his staff since a move like that would have little impact because Marrone would be calling the plays from a playbook that's not working with Spiller and WRs. Time to sit CJ down and see if Bryce Brown can provide a spark with Jackson. Whaley should get on the phone with Jerry Jones and move CJ for a conditional pick. He'd be great spelling Murray behind that O Line.

 

Feel free to correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt Brown traded for a conditional draft pick....seems the Bills are going to make sure he doesnt hit any conditions and they will ride with CJ until his contract is up....then you will see Brown next year.

[UpperDeck]

They did. He wasn't interested.

 

http://espn.go.com/n...lo-bills-friday

What a difference 2 years would've made. If Pegula was the owner when we pursued him we might've landed him.

[Webster Guy]

we scored enough points today to win a game.

 

our defense this year has showed it can still do well despite an injured LB, a corner, and even a D lineman or two, but we need Aaron Williams out there against good passing teams. If Searcy and Duke Williams are out there together we are screwed.

 

i don't blame the offense.

[Mango]

Marrone chose three TE's over Mike Williams. In essence he chose one of the worst players in the NFL in Lee Smith over a proven veteran WR. Another bad decision in a short career worth of bad decisions.

 

or a kickoff specialist...or chris hogan

 

We had a great OL under Chan and Joe D, that Marrone has ruined.

 

I can't understand for the life of me why teams like the Patriots get 100 yard plus receiving from guys like Edelman and Welker (before he left) basically running delays over the middle, and we can't do that with Sammy or Goodwin ????

 

We need Chan as Off coordinator. I remember very clearly how he got Spiller going, and I remember that it took him awhile to coach him up. These guys don't really have a clue. They are in way over their heads.

 

this is false, revisionists history. fitz had the quickest release in the nfl at one point and was one of the most hit qbs in the league

[FireChan]

 

 

or a kickoff specialist...or chris hogan

 

 

 

this is false, revisionists history. fitz had the quickest release in the nfl at one point and was one of the most hit qbs in the league

 

I would say we masked our O-line as effective under Chan.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Let me preface this with this is not an overreaction based solely on today's game. I've criticized Hackett going back to the first few weeks of year 1 under this coaching staff. I think they would be great for college football and that's probably where they can carve out respectable careers. I absolutely do not think they are cut out for the NFL.

 

When Marrone was hired he said the coordinators he would hire needed thorough NFL experience. He sat in front of the media and with Bills fans watching he uttered those words. The very next day he hired Hackett whose highest NFL coaching title was Offensive Quality Control. That's a joke in and of itself.

 

Marrone was supposed to be an offensive minded coach having been the OC for the Saints under Sean Payton. That to me is the equivalent of Curtis Modkins being the OC under Chan Gailey. It's a largely meaningless title. He's supposed to be some offensive line guru having been a player and coach but our line has been absolutely brutal this year regardless of who is playing QB. The o-line has gotten worse since Marrone took over which is saying a lot.

 

Marrone and Hackett have absolutely no idea of how to use Spiller and it's disgusting. It's 3rd and short and they want to run CJ into a large pile when that IS NOT his game. You have Fred Jackson and Anthony Dixon and the ball should be going to them nearly 100% of the time in those situations. It absolutely boggles the mind.

 

Then there's the Sammy thing where he only gets targeted 3 times. I understand he's being covered by Revis but this kid is going to be elite and he's a guy who is open even when he's covered. Just throw the ****ing ball in his direction and see if he can make a play on the ball. Who knows, there might be a defensive penalty. But, to completely avoid him for most of the game is completely inexcusable. Did Marrone not watch how Clemson used him? The kid is explosive so why not throw a few WR screens early in the game to at least make Revis respect him enough to give him a little cushion? There are so many ways to get Watkins involved that it's criminal to just not even design plays to get him the ball in space.

 

Can anyone tell me what our identity is on offense because I really have no idea at this point. It's pretty evident that Marrone and Hackett are going to run whatever offense they want regardless of our personnel. You would think these guys would have watched how Spiller was effective in Chan's offense and try and incorporate those things. You would think they would see how Watkins was used at Clemson and try and get some of those plays for our offense. Nope.

 

These guys wanted to run a no huddle, hurry up offense their 1st year despite having a rookie QB because that's what they were dead set on doing regardless of our personnel. Then they decide to slow things down in year 2 trying to tell us that's what's best for our personnel? Ummm, our offense isn't exactly overhauled so why change your minds now? These guys just don't know what they want or how to use our most explosive players.

 

I haven't even mentioned EJ who I think Marrone and Hackett ruined. They had this kid playing so robotic and scared. They have taken away his ability to run which made him an intriguing prospect to begin with.

 

Just seems like they had this kid avoiding taking risks that lead to bad plays which I can understand but now it seems like he avoids takin risks that could lead to big and positive plays.

 

I just don't think they are capable of identifying what our players do well and developing an offense and gameplan around those strengths.

 

Just look at the job Kyle Shannahan is doing in Cleveland. He's young but it also looks like he's got a pretty decent mind for this offensive coordinator thing.

 

Am I alone in thinking these things?

 

nope, not using our players skills is maddening even if I like the offensive philosophy which is why I have supported them but implementation is a whole other story.

[truth on hold]

theyre not bad, marrone is a competitive guy ... but they're not Bellichik @ Co. ... thats for sure. Smart freaking coach who knows how to play away from opponents strengths, and doesn't leave anything on the table. Refs did him a huge favor today, but still you can't argue with their long term success, game planning, managing around injuries, and decisions during the game

Edited October 13, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Lets hope Harbaugh gets fired and we pick him up. if A guy can resurrect Stanford and take a dysfunctional team that SF was before he got there and goes to 3 strait NFC championships he will do even better here with full support of the owner.

 

Marrone chose three TE's over Mike Williams. In essence he chose one of the worst players in the NFL in Lee Smith over a proven veteran WR. Another bad decision in a short career worth of bad decisions.

 

has there been a answer from Marrone on this?

[FireChan]

Our defensive got figured out and adjusted to by a HoF coach and HoF QB, with one of the best TE's in the game. Not really a surprise, that happens to most teams.

 

Hackett doesn't get enough credit for his strong halftime adjustments; between this game and the Lions game, our offense has looked vastly improved in the second half. We got burned on some penalties and turnovers, which, again, kill you against a HoF coach/QB. Hackett needs to get better at starting strong, but I'd much rather have a slow starting offense with Hackett, then the fast start turned anemic with Chan.

 

I think we got sold a lot of crap with Marrone, but that's not his fault, blame the Bills PR team. I like what Marrone is trying to do, I like his philosophy and his attitude. We'll see if it works out, but it's a little early to give up on them. We could be 5-3 heading into the bye.