Bray Wyatt Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: And all 50 states legally sell and tax alcohol (which is definitely a drug). Actually it was used long before that. Cab Calloway had a song about it. It was legal back then too. It was just a joke lol I’m not even against weed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...interesting....my neighbor is a Scientist at the University of Rochester.......he just formed a second company privately to study the effects of cannibis outside of the medical treatment purview... Boy do I know a LOT of people who will volunteer to take part in his research... Edited February 8, 2020 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....to ask again, is the focal point a tax revenue grab?...... The focal point is that Bob wants to get stoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Wacka said: The % of drivers in fatal car accidents with THC in their blood doubled over a 10 year period. It was a AAA study looking at Washington state data. This study https://newsroom.aaa.com/2020/01/fatal-crashes-involving-drivers-who-test-positive-for-marijuana-increase-after-state-legalizes-drug/ From the article The average number of THC-positive drivers increased, too. In the five years before legalization, an average of 56 drivers involved in fatal crashes each year were THC-positive. In the five years after legalization, the average jumped to 130. The new numbers bolster the findings of a similar report the AAA Foundation released in 2016. The study did not attempt to determine if marijuana contributed to the crashes included in its latest research. It focused only on the prevalence of drivers who tested positive for active THC. https://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/download/16405 Wacka, this study raises some questions but it also seems to make the same 'mistake' we have seen over and over in cannabis studies. The article implies causation when we are seeing just a correlation. THC blood tests and urine tests for cannabis metabolites are used to determine impairment in the study. The fact is those tests can determine cannabis use but are not able to say how recently it was used or whether the person was actually impaired at testing time. So, if a person used cannabis Saturday and was involved in a crash the following Thursday, in this study, they would most likely test positive and be consider THC-positive at the time of the accident. The detection methods are able to uncover cannabis use for up to approximately 30 days - way, way, way beyond impairment. Also, for heavy users, even recent use does not seem to have much impact on driving ability so implying impairment in this situation is questionable too, especially when ignoring whether impairment contributed to the accident. Finally, if you consider legalization likely means more people in that state tried cannabis, it is reasonable then that more drivers and, in fact, more citizens overall would test positive after legalization. My opinion, and I am not a med professional, is that cannabis is not all that different from many other drugs that can impair mental abilities. When using it initially, use caution until you know how it affects you, sort of like the warning on the pharmacy bottles. Newbies, like new users of alcohol or pain medicine, are likely the most dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 11 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Actually it was used long before that. Cab Calloway had a song about it. It was legal back then too. You are correct! In fact, it has been used for ages before that too as you likely know. Here is a post from page 1 of this very thread. Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Many folks are unaware that cannabis has been used as medicine for about 50 times longer than it has been prohibited by the US Government. Once you know that it has been called medicine in the past it might be a little easier to accept now as medicine for some people. See these excerpts from the US Pharmacopeia dated 1900. These are instructions as to how to make an extract of the ground up cannabis plant. This is remarkably similar to the method shown on that video where Rick Simpson 'washes' the cannabis with a solvent and then boils off the solvent. The plant was outlawed and vilified in the 1930's and pretty much all research halted then. The American Medical Association opposed the prohibition at that time because they feared that research would be halted on the plant. They were right. http://antiquecannab...dix/USP1900.htm A pre-prohibition (pre 1937) look at cannabis in the USA. http://antiquecannabisbook.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Someone better get this miracle drug news to China and our own CDC because you might not have heard about it, but there’s a new virus that’s causing havoc and I’m sure this would be just the ticket to cure it. Oh, and the flu too. And let’s not forget about lung cancer. I bet pot will eradicate that killer too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Executive orders are so much fun! Bernie will legalize pot on day one. Day one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Executive orders are so much fun! Bernie will legalize pot on day one. Day one! He can't legalize it on his own, you idiot. All he can do is direct federal officers to ignore the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: He can't legalize it on his own, you idiot. All he can do is direct federal officers to ignore the law. Executive Order! He will have absolute Article Two powers! You are the idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: He can't legalize it on his own, you idiot. All he can do is direct federal officers to ignore the law. It does not matter for Tiberius anyways. He gets his from Soros. Tiberius gets paid in pot for posting here and picking up cans pays for the happy meal at McDonald's that he gets every afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: It does not matter for Tiberius anyways. He gets his from Soros. Tiberius gets paid in pot for posting here and picking up cans pays for the happy meal at McDonald's that he gets every afternoon. Your response is very telling. No mention of the good or bad of the actual policy, just making up crappy lies about me. Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Comrade Bernie, as the good communist that he is, wants to ban fracking and pipelines in the U.S. in order to help Russia regain their energy market share. No wonder they are colluding with each other regarding the 2020 election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Comrade Bernie, as the good communist that he is, wants to ban fracking and pipelines in the U.S. in order to help Russia regain their energy market share. No wonder they are colluding with each other regarding the 2020 election. Bernie loves Wikileaks! KGB leader Putin is helping him. We don't need Kremlin controlled assets in the White House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 NFL and NFLPA are currently discussing possible new collective bargaining agreement. The current agreement runs through the 2021 season but they are negotiating over possibly getting it done early. Changes to the NFL cannabis policy are being considered. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2020/02/20/nfl-would-end-marijuana-suspensions-in-deal-circulated-by-players-union/#39a06920536a 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 It would be funny if the stoners put Bernie over the top. Stoners > Racists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: Executive orders are so much fun! Bernie will legalize pot on day one. Day one! This is that important? That's going to be one busy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 How's the research doing on using pot to cure the corona virus? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Nanker said: How's the research doing on using pot to cure the corona virus? high hops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 2:15 PM, Nanker said: How's the research doing on using pot to cure the corona virus? Why is Bob posting in the pandemic thread when the answer is in here? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 I know many of you love Leafly so I thought I would pass along a couple of links on cannabis and covid-19, flu, and colds. To keep posters from boredom, I hope to write up some personal thoughts/tips for medical cannabis users soon. Let me preview by saying absolutely cannabis will solve the covid-19 issue as well as all other world problems....and soon. lol https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-coronavirus-covid-19-facts https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-cold-flu-experts-discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) I doubt cannabis can do much to fight the covid-19 pandemic. Cannabinoids seem to nudge the body's own systems to act....generally relatively slowly. This illness seems to overwhelm the respiratory system so quickly, I doubt cannabis would kill it off before it kills off a vulnerable host. However, cannabis may yet have a role in treating symptoms. I caught a respiratory bug in early February (probably from the Sabres game on 2/4). I woke up on the 8th feeling crappy with a very heavy chest. For medical cannabis patients, most often their underlying reason for taking med cannabis does not go away just because they have now added in a cold or the flu. Same for me and when trying to smoke when I got this illness, it felt like the coughing may make my lungs turn inside out....way too irritating. (I am not a medical professional so these opinions are just anecdotal observations.) To address one's underlying issues, you can still get medicinal benefits by ingesting differently, cannabis oil or edibles specifically. THC is a known bronchdilator and it can help with some types of breathing difficulties. If you read the articles above, in addition, there is some indication that cannabis suppresses immune response. If the immune response may be responsible for worsening breathing issues at some point, modulating that response may help. In other processes, endo-cannabinoids are essentially messenger molecules which tamp down 'overactive' responses. I am just speculating here to explain the following. When I was ill I had access to high THC cannabis concentrate as well as cannabis infused coconut oil and used a little of both with my morning coffee. Over the next several hours the positive impact on my chest congestion was so good, I thought I might actually be getting over the illness. I could breathe soooo much better. My cough continued but for a few hours the cough was much more productive at hoarking up lung mucus (sorry for that image). Although the illness should be gone by now, I don't yet feel 100%. I have had lingering congestion. Is that related to immune suppression of cannabis? It may be, I don't know, and that would certainly be a terrible side effect if so. Before writing this up, I wanted to repeat today the cannabis/coffee experiment mentioned above. Right now, the impact is the same, my breathing is again very much improved. If you have access to cannabis concentrates and/or cannabis infused coconut oil, buy some. If not, you may want to consider making your own. These products will allow you to get benefits from cannabis without smoking or vaping. The following link goes into detail on canning the resultant oil but that is unnecessary. The finished product can be kept for years without sealing or refrigeration. https://emilykylenutrition.com/cannabis-coconut-oil/ Edited March 19, 2020 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Sorry Bob but a case of Corona and some skunk would be the dream right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories ...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Foxx said: Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories ...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ... Dude - we cured all diseases last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 53 minutes ago, Foxx said: Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories ...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ... You mean there's a chance I really didn't have a threesome with Reese Witherspoon and Kat Timpf last night? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You mean there's a chance I really didn't have a threesome with Reese Witherspoon and Kat Timpf last night? not to worry, you won't remember in a few anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, Foxx said: not to worry, you won't remember in a few anyways. I could tell you things! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Blood test 'can check for more than 50 types of cancer' A simple blood test can check for more than 50 types of cancer, often before any signs or symptoms, scientists say. It could help diagnose tumours sooner, when they are easier to treat and, ideally, cure, experts hope. More than 99% of positive results are accurate, the team says, but it will be crucial to check it does not miss cases and provide false assurance. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52090359 Not sure where else to put this , I hate to start a thread , but interesting item. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 What entities out there are testing marijuana therapies to treat the Chinese virus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, Nanker said: What entities out there are testing marijuana therapies to treat the Chinese virus? I miss the days when you were preaching to everyone the death rate of the seasonal flu is 1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I've been consistent in saying that the mortality rate of flu victims who are hospitalized is higher than that. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html Not everyone that gets the flu goes to a doctor. Not everyone that goes to a Dr. gets hospitalized. Those that do get hospitalized die at a significantly high rate. But you know that, and you're now free to go about bashing the POTUS. Symptomatic Illnesses Medical Visits Hospitalizations Deaths Season Estimate 95% U I Estimate 95% U I Estimate 95% U I Estimate 95% U I 2010-2011 21,000,000 (20,000,000 – 25,000,000) 10,000,000 (9,300,000 – 12,000,000) 290,000 (270,000 – 350,000) 37,000 (32,000 – 51,000) 2011-2012 9,300,000 (8,700,000 – 12,000,000) 4,300,000 (4,000,000 – 5,600,000) 140,000 (130,000 – 190,000) 12,000 (11,000 – 23,000) 2012-2013 34,000,000 (32,000,000 – 38,000,000) 16,000,000 (15,000,000 – 18,000,000) 570,000 (530,000 – 680,000) 43,000 (37,000 – 57,000) 2013-2014 30,000,000 (28,000,000 – 33,000,000) 13,000,000 (12,000,000 – 15,000,000) 350,000 (320,000 – 390,000) 38,000 (33,000 – 50,000) 2014-2015 30,000,000 (29,000,000 – 33,000,000) 14,000,000 (13,000,000 – 16,000,000) 590,000 (540,000 – 680,000) 51,000 (44,000 – 64,000) 2015-2016 24,000,000 (20,000,000 – 33,000,000) 11,000,000 (9,000,000 – 15,000,000) 280,000 (220,000 – 480,000) 23,000 (17,000 – 35,000) 2016-2017 29,000,000 (25,000,000 – 45,000,000) 14,000,000 (11,000,000 – 23,000,000) 500,000 (380,000 – 860,000) 38,000 (29,000 – 61,000) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nanker said: But you know that, and you're now free to go about bashing the POTUS. Thanks for the permission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Thanks for the permission You don't need my permission to be an abject a ### h ####. You're a self-made man. Edited March 31, 2020 by Nanker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) On 3/18/2020 at 9:19 AM, Bob in Mich said: https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-coronavirus-covid-19-facts https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-cold-flu-experts-discuss Quote I doubt cannabis can do much to fight the covid-19 pandemic. Cannabinoids seem to nudge the body's own systems to act....generally relatively slowly. This illness seems to overwhelm the respiratory system so quickly, I doubt cannabis would kill it off before it kills off a vulnerable host. However, cannabis may yet have a role in treating symptoms. I caught a respiratory bug in early February (probably from the Sabres game on 2/4). I woke up on the 8th feeling crappy with a very heavy chest. For medical cannabis patients, most often their underlying reason for taking med cannabis does not go away just because they have now added in a cold or the flu. Same for me and when trying to smoke when I got this illness, it felt like the coughing may make my lungs turn inside out....way too irritating. (I am not a medical professional so these opinions are just my observations.) To address one's underlying issues, you can still get medicinal benefits by ingesting differently, cannabis oil or edibles specifically. THC is a known bronchodilator and it can help with some types of breathing difficulties. If you read the articles above, in addition, there is some indication that cannabis suppresses immune response. If the immune response may be responsible for worsening breathing issues at some point, modulating that response may help. In other processes, endo-cannabinoids are essentially messenger molecules which tamp down 'overactive' responses. I am just speculating here to explain the following. When I was ill I had access to high THC cannabis concentrate as well as cannabis infused coconut oil and used a little of both with my morning coffee. Over the next several hours the positive impact on my chest congestion was so good, I thought I might actually be getting over the illness. I could breathe soooo much better. My cough continued but for a few hours the cough was much more productive at hoarking up lung mucus (sorry for that image). Although the illness should be gone by now, I don't yet feel 100%. I have had lingering congestion. Is that related to immune suppression of cannabis? It may be, I don't know, and that would certainly be a terrible side effect if so. Before writing this up, I wanted to repeat today the cannabis/coffee experiment mentioned above. Right now, the impact is the same, my breathing is again very much improved. If you have access to cannabis concentrates and/or cannabis infused coconut oil, buy some. If not, you may want to consider making your own. These products will allow you to get benefits from cannabis without smoking or vaping. The following link goes into detail on canning the resultant oil but that is unnecessary. The finished product can be kept for years without sealing or refrigeration. https://emilykylenutrition.com/cannabis-coconut-oil/ I have been reading a bit more about the 'cytokine storm' that seems to overwhelm the lungs in covid-19 patients. This is essentially an overreaction by our immune system to the virus. It seems that this overreaction is at the heart of the fluid build up in the lungs and so to the shortness of breath issue. With THC being a bronchodilator, there may be a treatment hidden in here somewhere I think. I am no expert in this field, unfortunately. From what I have read, many of the potential pharma treatments try to also quiet this cytokine storm. I am curious if there is any actual current research on using cannabinoids to try to treat covid-19 patients. https://www.projectcbd.org/medicine/cannabis-cbd-covid-19 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2828614/ from the study Executive summary Cannabinoids, the active components of Cannabis sativa, and endogenous cannabinoids mediate their effects through activation of specific cannabinoid receptors known as cannabinoid receptor 1 and 2 (CB1 and CB2). The cannabinoid system has been shown both in vivo and in vitro to be involved in regulating the immune system through its immunomodulatory properties. Cannabinoids suppress inflammatory response and subsequently attenuate disease symptoms. This property of cannabinoids is mediated through multiple pathways such as induction of apoptosis in activated immune cells, suppression of cytokines and chemokines at inflammatory sites and upregulation of FoxP3+ regulatory T cells. Cannabinoids have been tested in several experimental models of autoimmune disorders such as multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, colitis and hepatitis and have been shown to protect the host from the pathogenesis through induction of multiple anti-inflammatory pathways. Cannabinoids may also be beneficial in certain types of cancers that are triggered by chronic inflammation. In such instances, cannabinoids can either directly inhibit tumor growth or suppress inflammation and tumor angiogenesis. Edited April 6, 2020 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 hours ago, bbb said: Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs? On the bright side, any damage to your lungs from smoking pot is cured through the magic of smoking pot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 6:19 AM, Tiberius said: Executive orders are so much fun! Bernie will legalize pot on day one. Day one! This is not aging well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: This is not aging well. Neither is Bernie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs? Sadly enough many- and I by that I mean the majority- of high school students believe pot is not bad for your lungs. I have no moral qualms with smoking it but I am sick of hearing pot never killed anyone. It is smoke into your lungs therefore it is bad, maybe not as bad as cigarettes but still bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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