Tiberius Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Probably even more so. With all the defunding of the police , bail reform , Marxist riots, tyrannical politicians taking power and restricting rights....More of us need to own guns to protect ourselves than ever before No, there is way less crime than there was back then. And what is a marxist riot? The assault on the capital? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, Tiberius said: No, there is way less crime than there was back then. And what is a marxist riot? The assault on the capital? Crime is through the roof in liberal cities across America. Research the numbers yourself. Huge increases across the board in NY etc due to bail reform. Shootings up in Buffalo. The Police have their hands tied. Do you know what Marxism is ? Or which current media darling movement is openly Marxist ? As usual, you’re woefully misinformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Crime is through the roof in liberal cities across America. Research the numbers yourself. Huge increases across the board in NY etc due to bail reform. Shootings up in Buffalo. The Police have their hands tied. Do you know what Marxism is ? Or which current media darling movement is openly Marxist ? As usual, you’re woefully misinformed. No, crime is down in cities and up in the rural areas. Opioid epidemic is a rural thing mostly. Edit In the United States, for example, violent crime rates have fallen by over 50% in many major U.S. cities since these rates peaked in the early 1990s, often referred to as the "Great Crime Decline".[16][17] In New York City, these rates had dropped by 75% from the early 1990s to 2010.[18] In the United States, a second decline in the crime rate was also observed, with homiciderates declining first from 1994 to 2002, and then again from 2007 to 2011.[19] The crime rate in Los Angeles decreased from 1993 onward, including e.g. a decrease in the crime rate of 10% during the first six months of 1998.[20] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, crime is down in cities and up in the rural areas. Opioid epidemic is a rural thing mostly. Edit In the United States, for example, violent crime rates have fallen by over 50% in many major U.S. cities since these rates peaked in the early 1990s, often referred to as the "Great Crime Decline".[16][17] In New York City, these rates had dropped by 75% from the early 1990s to 2010.[18] In the United States, a second decline in the crime rate was also observed, with homiciderates declining first from 1994 to 2002, and then again from 2007 to 2011.[19] The crime rate in Los Angeles decreased from 1993 onward, including e.g. a decrease in the crime rate of 10% during the first six months of 1998.[20] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop Check the current crime stats from first quarter 2020 and currently compared to pre bail reform. Wikipedia ? Massive generalization Lol ... I’m not making it up, even the liberal media reports that shootings are up. What do opioids have to do with this ? The liberal mayor of DC stated that carjackings are on the rise in her city. Did you miss the two teens of color that murdered an Uber eats driver while attempting to carjack last week ? Probably not covered on CNN lol Are the Police lying with their crime stats ? You can check these numbers from actual legitimate sources though. not the media. Crime stats are actual kept by cities. Even in Buffalo shootings are up ... 20 murders already in quarter 1. Was on WIVB website only yesterday, of course framed around “ gun control” lol even though the Police stated that the murderers are using illegal handguns. Edited April 12, 2021 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Does anyone ask: How many lives have guns saved? I don't see that out there on the knews. They probably don't want to do the figgering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, T&C said: Does anyone ask: How many lives have guns saved? I don't see that out there on the knews. They probably don't want to do the figgering. Too difficult to quantify. Let’s say a criminal is shot while in a standoff with cops. He’s wanted for murder , now he’s taken off the streets. How many were saved ? Who knows ? Regardless, it’s a pointless exercise. As a US citizen you have a right to bear arms. Only a small percentage of shootings / murders in the US involve rifles. Mostly handguns, and mostly illegally obtained ones at that. The gun control ideas are a solution searching for a problem. The larger issue would bust a lot of currently popular narratives, so it’s not addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, T&C said: Does anyone ask: How many lives have guns saved? I don't see that out there on the knews. They probably don't want to do the figgering. Because it's countless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, T&C said: Does anyone ask: How many lives have guns saved? I don't see that out there on the knews. They probably don't want to do the figgering. I think it's like 4 or 5. I read it on the internet somewhere. 55 minutes ago, BillStime said: Who's celebrating? What does these even mean? This is a dumb meme even for your standards and that says a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 The cops could stand to do with fewer guns, I'll tell you that. That young man in Minnesota would still be alive if the officer wasn't so armed to the hilt to the point that she didn't know which weapon she was pulling out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, TSOL said: The cops could stand to do with fewer guns, I'll tell you that. That young man in Minnesota would still be alive if the officer wasn't so armed to the hilt to the point that she didn't know which weapon she was pulling out. Armed to the hilt with a service weapon and a taser ? If someone can’t handle that , they shouldn’t be a cop. The young man in Minnesota would still be alive if he hadn’t resisted arrest. He rolled the dice and it came up snake eyes. She’ll pay the price for her error, but fewer guns ? We’ve already lost over 100 cops in the line of duty this year, but the lamestream media won’t tell anyone that. Imagine if citizens got so outraged about the actual everyday crime in their community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Bodycam footage has been released on the police shooting last night in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota. Three police officers, one black man, one white man and one woman, stopped a vehicle being driven by 20-year-old Daunte Wright. Wright was wanted on an arrest warrant. Initially Wright got out of his car, but then apparently changed his mind, fought with police officers, climbed back into his car and drove away. As the officers were struggling with Wright, the police woman attempted to tase him. Evidently she accidentally pulled out her gun rather than her taser and shot Wright with it. It doesn’t appear that there was any racial angle in last night’s fatal encounter at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, B-Man said: Bodycam footage has been released on the police shooting last night in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota. Three police officers, one black man, one white man and one woman, stopped a vehicle being driven by 20-year-old Daunte Wright. Wright was wanted on an arrest warrant. Initially Wright got out of his car, but then apparently changed his mind, fought with police officers, climbed back into his car and drove away. As the officers were struggling with Wright, the police woman attempted to tase him. Evidently she accidentally pulled out her gun rather than her taser and shot Wright with it. It doesn’t appear that there was any racial angle in last night’s fatal encounter at all. Remind me - did they comply? What about this guy? And this guy? What about this guy? Did he comply? Edited April 13, 2021 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Definitely more guns.... where was the good guy with a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, BillStime said: Definitely more guns.... where was the good guy with a gun? So the gun is at fault here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So the gun is at fault here? Jim please. He's up past his bedtime, throwing everything he has against the wall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: Jim please. He's up past his bedtime, throwing everything he has against the wall. Time of day makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, B-Man said: Jim please. He's up past his bedtime, throwing everything he has against the wall. C'mon Bonnie -find something from REDSTATE - hurry... you must do it and win the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 13 hours ago, BillStime said: C'mon Bonnie -find something from REDSTATE - hurry... you must do it and win the day Unlike you, I don't go on message boards to "win".............that is what children do. BRYAN PRESTON: Amid Renewed Rioting in Minneapolis, a Lesson on the Second Amendment. “Anyone who interjects hunting into discussions of the Second Amendment is either trying to deceive or doesn’t know the amendment and its true purpose.” https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2021/04/12/amid-renewed-rioting-in-minneapolis-a-lesson-on-the-second-amendment-n1439490 Armed citizens defend business from looters during Minneapolis riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 14 hours ago, BillStime said: Definitely more guns.... where was the good guy with a gun? And Republicans have made it so victims of corporate wrong doing cannot be sued in court. Unreal. No wonder they feel free to flood America with killing tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Tiberius said: And Republicans have made it so victims of corporate wrong doing cannot be sued in court. Unreal. No wonder they feel free to flood America with killing tools Lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Lie. Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Nope It is a lie, I know it, the board knows it. Your repetition does not make it so. Reminder from up above, these citizens have guns. Edited April 13, 2021 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: It is a lie, I know it, the board knows it. Your repetition does not make it so. Reminder from up above, these citizens have guns. Good for them. So did the citizen who murdered the members of the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: And Republicans have made it so victims of corporate wrong doing cannot be sued in court. Unreal. No wonder they feel free to flood America with killing tools Corporate wrong doing? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: Corporate wrong doing? Please explain. He can't...........it is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 https://nypost.com/2021/04/15/mom-of-four-killed-when-neighbors-gun-accidentally-goes-off/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app what kind of moron cleans a loaded gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: https://nypost.com/2021/04/15/mom-of-four-killed-when-neighbors-gun-accidentally-goes-off/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app what kind of moron cleans a loaded gun? What a horrible tragedy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Chef Jim said: What a horrible tragedy. How is it any more of a "horrible tragedy" than the mass murders in Atlanta or Boulder or Indianapolis or anywhere else in the US? Dead is dead. Edited April 16, 2021 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I would appreciate someone explain to me why I should willing give up my protection when the same people are telling me that police are killing people without consequence or remorse? Literally within days of each other many people are arguing that cops are state sponsored killers but I should trust said state sponsor killers to protect me from other bad guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, SoTier said: How is it any more of a "horrible tragedy" than the mass murders in Atlanta or Boulder or Indianapolis or anywhere else in the US? Dead is dead. Yup that’s exactly what I said. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I would appreciate someone explain to me why I should willing give up my protection when the same people are telling me that police are killing people without consequence or remorse? Literally within days of each other many people are arguing that cops are state sponsored killers but I should trust said state sponsor killers to protect me from other bad guys I may be heading to your view Timmy. After Indy issue I think FedEx should be charged under OSHA for not allowing employees to carry guns for self defence or having armed guards through out the facility. If you cannot be safe at work or in church then let's just get it on. Gun control is impossible!! Shoot first, ask questions later. Any solution is better than status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Chef Jim said: What a horrible tragedy. So @Niagara Bill you think this is funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Bingo Americans Opposed to Being Shot Seek Representation in Washington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: So @Niagara Bill you think this is funny? No the incident is not funny, what is funny is your concern about a gun incident, either accidental or deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Just now, Niagara Bill said: No the incident is not funny, what is funny is your concern about a gun incident, either accidental or deliberate. I never accused you of saying the incident was funny. So you think I'm not concerned about people being shot? What has brought you to this conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BillStime said: Bingo Americans Opposed to Being Shot Seek Representation in Washington So, when people were hungry and went to Washington they got food stamps, so will they get discount coupons from the gun lobby and Washington to get a gun for protection? 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I never accused you of saying the incident was funny. So you think I'm not concerned about people being shot? What has brought you to this conclusion. Either dramatic gun control is put in place or more guns is the answer. I am sorry if I misrepresented your position, I think I may gave been wrong looking back at your statements. Mea culpa Chef. Edited April 16, 2021 by Niagara Bill Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Either dramatic gun control is put in place or more guns is the answer. I am sorry if I misrepresented your position, I think I may gave been wrong looking back at your statements. Mea culpa Chef. in your world it's black and white. Either no guns or more guns. You've made that very clear and it's a very failed position to take. We actually have a thread with that take as the title of the thread here. I've made my position very clear here of what I feel needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: in your world it's black and white. Either no guns or more guns. You've made that very clear and it's a very failed position to take. We actually have a thread with that take as the title of the thread here. I've made my position very clear here of what I feel needs to be done. There is no possibility of realistic change. Even when background checks were made a requirement numerous exceptions were then granted. There is no appetite for control. Can you drive a car legally, then pass a test at some later date. No!, But you can buy and use a gun. (Charleston exception). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: There is no possibility of realistic change. Even when background checks were made a requirement numerous exceptions were then granted. There is no appetite for control. Can you drive a car legally, then pass a test at some later date. No!, But you can buy and use a gun. (Charleston exception). Absolutely there are possibilities for realistic change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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