Iraq is Burning

[DC Tom]

I guess it's a good thing we didn't armor those humvees after all?

 

I wonder how many MRAPs ISIL has. Considering how many were declared surplus to needs...after five years.

 

It refreshing to see a Federal office holder, when he doesn't have enough information to come down on one side or another, or formulate an alternative strategy; thoughtfully admit that to be the case rather than telling a blatant lie, doing what the polls say, or toeing a partisain line, isn't it?

 

"There is a time to think, and a time to act. And this, gentleman, is no time to think!" - John Candy, Canadian Bacon. Though I'm thinking he stole it from gatorman.

[Deranged Rhino]

I wonder how many MRAPs ISIL has. Considering how many were declared surplus to needs...after five years.

It's a good question.

 

But damn if the Military Industrial Complex doesn't know how to create a self-sustaining system:

 

Step 1: Build and sell a bunch of weapons to the US and its allies.

Step 2: Invade another country (or countries, even better).

Step 3: Leave all our **** behind so the opposition gets a turn playing with the new goodies, thus creating a new group of satisfied customers

Step 4: Market the next generation weapons to the US that are designed to combat the weapons we left behind.

 

Rinse. Dry. Repeat.

[4merper4mer]

It's a good question.

 

But damn if the Military Industrial Complex doesn't know how to create a self-sustaining system:

 

Step 1: Build and sell a bunch of weapons to the US and its allies.

Step 2: Invade another country (or countries, even better).

Step 3: Leave all our **** behind so the opposition gets a turn playing with the new goodies, thus creating a new group of satisfied customers

Step 4: Market the next generation weapons to the US that are designed to combat the weapons we left behind.

 

Rinse. Dry. Repeat.

 

You know how you'll know when America isn't the one to blame for everything?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When your head is rolling down a flight of stairs, that's when.

[Deranged Rhino]

You know how you'll know when America isn't the one to blame for everything?

 

 

When your head is rolling down a flight of stairs, that's when.

:lol:

 

Probably true. Though I didn't say America was to blame for anything.

Edited June 18, 2014 by GreggyT

[Magox]

I've been interested in Rand Paul's position on Iraq, seems there isn't one:

 

http://www.thedailyb...a-mystery.html#

 

Of course Rand Paul doesn't have an answer at this time, he knows that if he is going to get any of those donor dollars he has to act like a grown up rather than pander to the youth like his father did. The question is how can he get those donor dollars by being a little more serious on matters of defense without alienating his father's base?

Edited June 18, 2014 by Magox

[Nanker]

He can use a football analogy. You don't drive down the field in the fourth quarter and reach the 5 yard line with seconds to go in the game and on 1st and goal have the QB blow kisses to the fans, take the handoff and then run aimlessly around the backfield and get tackled for a loss at your own 20 yard line as time expires.

 

This is Obama's blunder. He owns it. He's leaving a huge mess in his wake that others are going to have to deal with when he's out golfing, making speaking engagements, and living the high life. Oh wait, he's doing that now.

[Azalin]

He can use a football analogy. You don't drive down the field in the fourth quarter and reach the 5 yard line with seconds to go in the game and on 1st and goal have the QB blow kisses to the fans, take the handoff and then run aimlessly around the backfield and get tackled for a loss at your own 20 yard line as time expires.

 

I just had a Todd Collins flashback.

[meazza]

He can use a football analogy. You don't drive down the field in the fourth quarter and reach the 5 yard line with seconds to go in the game and on 1st and goal have the QB blow kisses to the fans, take the handoff and then run aimlessly around the backfield and get tackled for a loss at your own 20 yard line as time expires.

 

This is Obama's blunder. He owns it. He's leaving a huge mess in his wake that others are going to have to deal with when he's out golfing, making speaking engagements, and living the high life. Oh wait, he's doing that now.

 

Your analogy is incorrect

 

/JTSP

[Nanker]

[keepthefaith]

 

 

This is Obama's blunder. He owns it. He's leaving a huge mess in his wake that others are going to have to deal with when he's out golfing, making speaking engagements, and living the high life. Oh wait, he's doing that now.

 

You forgot fundraising.

[B-Man]

George W. Bush 2007: Pulling all troops from Iraq will risk throwing away gains

 

No, George Bush hasn’t actually commented on present events in Iraq, probably because he doesn’t believe it’s helpful for ex-presidents to criticize their successors.

 

But he already described the situation back in 2007, when he gave a speech explaining why he was vetoing a bill passed by the Democratic Congress which would have pulled troops out of Iraq (the first three minutes of the video are especially relevant):

 

 

For those who say “but Bush negotiated the agreement under which Obama ended up completely pulling out of Iraq,” there is no question that everyone involved in those Bush negotiations expected that the next president would forge a new agreement with the Iraqi government when the time came, and that it would involve leaving some residual forces there. But it was clear that Obama had no interest in doing so; he barely participated in the talks and pulled out when the going got the least bit rough.

 

Contrast Bush’s speech in the video above with this speech of Obama’s which he made on the occasion of the complete withdrawal from Iraq. He justifies and celebrates that withdrawal by praising the accomplishments the US had made in Iraq up to then—including and especially those of the surge which he had bitterly opposed as a senator. Ironically and tragically, those achievements have evaporated now, although their loss might well have been prevented had he left a small residual force in the country.

 

If we had a real press, they’d all be pointing this out on their front pages. But we don’t.

 

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[Dante]

Meanwhile, as these poor ignorant rubes continue their blood letting, back here in the states the future is bright as demonstrated by this magnificent battle of the minds. We are in good hands for the next couple generations if these are our future entrepreneurs and leaders. A nice distraction from the horror of the middle east. Enjoy

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jomFmN1tFSw

[Deranged Rhino]

 

:lol:

[truth on hold]

---- Looks like we're be providing some kind of air support ...

 

Joint Chiefs chairman: Iraq has asked for U.S. air power to counter militants

 

http://edition.cnn.c...st/iraq-crisis/

 

 

---- Which of course benefits the Iranian foreign fighters, and is part of Obama's mideast pivot to Iran .....

 

 

"Obama was asked about the dangers of Sunni extremism and Shiite extremism by Bloomberg's Jeffrey Goldberg earlier this year. The Iranians, Obama said, "are strategic, and they're not impulsive. They have a worldview, and they see their interests, and they respond to costs and benefits.... They are a large, powerful country that sees itself as an important player on the world stage, and I do not think has a suicide wish, and can respond to incentives." And on Sunni extremism? Obama's silence speaks volumes. The surge of activity from radical jihadi groups likely only underlines their danger -- and the difference between them and the government of Iran. "

http://www.foreignpo...campaign=buffer

 

----- Which is why Obama doesn't want to risk going to Congress for permission .....

 

Obama to Congress: I don't need new permission

http://edition.cnn.c...litics/us-iraq/

Edited June 19, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack

[Keukasmallies]

When POTUS states unequivocally that there will be no boots on the ground in Iraq, does he mean the one hundred special forces troops he talks about will be wearing sneakers....?

[B-Man]

 

 

also:

 

Obama to Congress: I don´t need new permission on Iraq

CNN, by Barbara Starr*

 

Original Article

 

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[Tiberius]

, the Bush administration is one administration that had a relatively good understanding of that, certainly better than the current administration's.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/05/10/040510fa_fact?currentPage=all

 

Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

 

Yes Tom, I see your point

[Tiberius]

This is like shooting fish in a barrel, picking on the Bush administration, even Fox can't resist

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/dick-cheney-megyn-kelly-fox-interview-108049.html?ml=po_r

 

“In your op-ed [in the Wall Street Journal], you write as follows: ‘Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many,” Kelly said on her show “The Kelly File.” “But time and time again, history has proven that you got it wrong as well sir.”

 

Kelly then began listing shortcomings of the Bush administration, pointing out Cheney’s statements that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, that the U.S. forces would be considered liberators and that Iraqi insurgency was “in the throes” in 2005.

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

http://www.newyorker...currentPage=all

 

 

 

Yes Tom, I see your point

What does this have to do with an understanding of cultural differences between religious varient and tribes in the Middle East?

[Tiberius]

 

What does this have to do with an understanding of cultural differences between religious varient and tribes in the Middle East?

Absolutely nothing! That's my point!