3rdand12 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'd say hanging your hat so strongly on fixing one ranking is a bit like saying who cares if he's not a good route runner or physical- we need a tall WR and hardy is the man! Schwartz has been a good coordinator and I don't mean to come across all negative here but honestly run D isn't at the top of my most important qualities. I hope he does great but I'm a bit concerned by the issues on his résumé and that he may be another friend hire. He has talent a chance to surpass pettine though and that's what I'll be cheering for. Aren't they ALL friend hires ? Honestly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Thank-you. GO BILLS!!! So what was it when lawson was in the game and hughes was standing up as a linebacker across from him with moats/bradham and kiko in the middle. With a line of dareus and williams at end and branch as the NT Edited January 25, 2014 by kr632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 One might say the quickest way for marrone to turn that around would be his choice at DC. Obviously I can't say Schwartz won't but it's a little bit of a question moving forward both on Schwartz and our HC werent the killer penalties on the O line though.I consider PI a judgement call and not player error at this point in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 No it's not just you. The different feel continues for me as well. This move was not at all same old Bills. I was wondering after the plan in place talk when the shoe would drop. I didn't at all expect to see the hire be someone like this. A name guy, proven recent track record, and universally approved by the press. Certainly not a George Edwards/wannstache type hire. Totally agree. I like it. I'm in the camp that isn't too concerned about losing Pettine. While I liked Pettine, it was easy to like him given that the recent bar had been set so low. What Pettine did do is set up Schwartz nicely in terms of what the strengths and weaknesses of the players were. I am hoping and confident Schwartz can take that info and improve the weaknesses (run, scoring) and enhance or maintain the strengths (turnovers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 werent the killer penalties on the O line though. I consider PI a judgement call and not player error at this point in the NFL Especially when the Seattle DBs, considered the best secondary in the league, are basically coached to commit PI on every snap and just see if it gets called, which it usually doesn't. The refs are so inconsistent anyway, half of the PIs aren't even PI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Someone who knows more than I please explain why Kiko is not a good fit as a 4-3 ILB. Is it just that he would be a better WOLB? Help me out. I just did some research on 4-3 ILB's, and Kiko seems perfect. It's not that he's a bad fit. In fact, I think he did a pretty good job. I think what some people are worried about is that Kiko showed some definite flaws in his run defense. He overpursued at times. WOLB would take advantage of Kiko's impressive speed and take advantage of his impressive skill level at diagnosing coverages. Of course, if he gets some experience and coaching at run stopping he would still be a good choice for MLB, but if there is a really great candidate who could hold it, that would be an incredible front 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Although i have a slight reservation over the fact that his lions were completely undisciplined, i acknowledge hes had success in the NFL. Hes young and hes got fire. Overall, im happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Especially when the Seattle DBs, considered the best secondary in the league, are basically coached to commit PI on every snap and just see if it gets called, which it usually doesn't. The refs are so inconsistent anyway, half of the PIs aren't even PI. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 To lose Pettine was tough. To gain Schwartz to replace him is a good move. He did some good things in Tennessee. I think we now can expect some good things from the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Good move Marrone. Hired experiece in the NFL. Both new coachs have been around the NFL. They certainly were prepared for this move when the Browns came calling. That in it's self shows we did something right. Give credit when deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Good move Marrone. Hired experiece in the NFL. Both new coachs have been around the NFL. They certainly were prepared for this move when the Browns came calling. That in it's self shows we did something right. Give credit when deserved. Agreed , Bills now appear as if quite prepared for the Pettine move. well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Raiding the Detroit coaching staff? Shooting pretty low... If they change to 4-3, how might it effect the draft? The Bills don't get the pick of the litter when it comes to coaches. They get the leftovers. Too bad Schwartz isn't bringing Suh with him. Let's face it, the Bills are near the bottom of the food chain. The other coach also sounds unremarkable. Oh well, it's the curse of being a Bills fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 See if you can pull a video or two of Wisconsin this season--have a look at Chris Borland; perfect thumper to go next to Kiko. Will very likely be there in round 2 (not round 3 after his work in Senior Bowl practices). Borland is really good. I also like Shayne Skov out of Stanford. Very aggressive, fiery and has a nose for the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 He was named Most Valuable Player, not Most Valuable Quarterback He got a HC job....must have had something to do with it? I see your point... but the DCs under Pete Carroll are highly sought after and the same may be said about them. How many Pats coordinators have done the same. I'm not saying the guy sucks, but if your best argument for him is that the Detroit f'n Lions, the only team to ever go 0-16, who just hired Jim Caldwell of all people to be their HC, decided to put him in charge, then you don't have much of an argument at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 To me it's a good hire based on two things. (1) His past experience and stats as a DC (2) He is an upgrade over George Edwards and Wanny. I'm excited to see how he changes the run defense around. As a DC, he's had a top 5 run D which I'm VERY excited about. I can't remember the last time the Bills had a top 5 run defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Borland is really good. I also like Shayne Skov out of Stanford. Very aggressive, fiery and has a nose for the ball. Skov next to alonso would be nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The Bills don't get the pick of the litter when it comes to coaches. They get the leftovers. Too bad Schwartz isn't bringing Suh with him. Let's face it, the Bills are near the bottom of the food chain. The other coach also sounds unremarkable. Oh well, it's the curse of being a Bills fan. Who else is out there that is better? we got the best guy on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Who else is out there that is better? we got the best guy on the market. I understand it might not have been a viable option because of the history, but since you asked, Wade Phillips' resume is leaps & bounds ahead of Schwartz's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Only thing I want is a 4-3 MLB. That aint Kiko and I've seen enough of Bradham to know that he can't hold down the spot. Get a MLB, move Alonso outside on early (typical run) downs and back to the middle on passing downs. Very versatile defense if they acquire a MLB. Last year I really wanted them to sign Karlos Dansby. They easily could have had him IMO with a decent contract offer. It wouldn't have affected them drafting Kiko who immediately would have been on the outside. And played the middle as you said on passing downs. Our defense could have been significantly better with that lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I understand it might not have been a viable option because of the history, but since you asked, Wade Phillips' resume is leaps & bounds ahead of Schwartz's. Well, we could have had him too. The point is that we didn't get "leftovers" because we are the bills. We obviously liked Schwartz more than wade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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