Hate to say it..... (QB situation)

[Dibs]

That's simply not happening. Here's the list of all the QB starved teams picking before the Bills pick in the 1st round...

 

Houston

St. Louis

Jacksonville

Oakland

Cleveland

Minnesota

 

Not only will the Bills not get a sniff of Manziel or Bridgewater, they won't get a sniff of the next two QBs in line to be drafted. I wish fans here could just enjoy the fact that the Bills will have a great opportunity to draft a stud WR or OL since so many QBs will be being being picked ahead of them in the draft, this will push great talent at other positions to them.

 

EJ Manuel is a raw talent who showed flashes of very good play and very bad play. He's had some accuracy problems, yet he would became very accurate in close games going down to the wire. What this tells me is that he has the accuracy in him, and the issue is mental and not physical. Year two he should be settled down and look much better in much longer stretches of games.

 

Long story short, the Bills aren't picking a QB in the 1st round.

 

In regards to the bolded line above......This to me is the main reason why I still hold some home that he can become a Franchise QB. IMO the ability to play at ones best when things are close going down to the wire is the hallmark of the truly great QBs.

 

(To preempt being attacked.....Haters please note: I said "hold some hope"......not "will become" or "has a good chance".)

[mattsox]

I do not think EJ our Thad have shown anything to justify being a good NFL QB. But at this point if I have a choice of who to start for a game I choose Thad. My argument goes like this:

 

1. Both are horribly inaccurate. So no advantage either way here.

2. EJ checks down. Thad airs it out. On a third and long I'll take my chances with a 20 yard jump ball rather than a 3 yard check down.

3. Thad has emotion. He was visually upset when he misses throws. If EJ misses Hogan like Thad did, EJ would jog off. Thad was on the ground pissed off.

 

Obviously, I am just a fan and do not see the practices or many of the inner mechanics of the game. However, based on these few principles I like Thad.

 

The only argument I can see for EJ (and I am sure I will hear it in a bunch of responses) is that EJ is a work in progress and has been battling injuries. For me personally, I am tired of excuses and waiting.

 

Last point, going into next season I would rather have a proven veteran or another first round draft QB. But between the EJ and Thad, give me Thaddeus or give me death.

 

Oh God, Not this #hit again?

[KRT88]

yes, dump everyone after one season. That's the best way to build a championship side.

[jumbalaya]

If we had Fitz and EJ at QB this year, next weeks Pats game would have been for first place.

[dubs]

Didn't Buffalo just beat a playoff bound team 19-0? You'd think from this board we were 0-15 and just got blasted again.

 

People here are so delusional. For the first time in decades, Buffalo is finally making some good decisions at key places. We had a great 2013 draft. Anyone with any football knowledge would have expected this season to pretty much play out as it did, and that's a good thing.

 

The team is improving, the QB position is improving, the head coach is improving. We are in the best position heading into the offseason as we've been in decades.

 

Give it a rest negators...Rome wasn't built in a day.

[CSBill]

If we had Fitz and EJ at QB this year, next weeks Pats game would have been for first place.

 

at least still looking at the play-offs

[87168]

If we had Fitz and EJ at QB this year, next weeks Pats game would have been for first place.

 

is that sarcasm, or do you honestly believe this to be true?

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Worked for Carolina....

 

Anyway, who knows what will become of EJ, but his durability has to be of some concern.

 

Honestly, this is a good point for me. His durability is a bit of a concern for me as well, and it really has slowed down his growth.

Look, I like EJ. We've seen that he *can* be good. He absolutely shredded the Jets (an elite Defense), played well against Atlanta and showed he could snap back on the round in the game against the Jaguars. But if he is going to be missing half the games each year to injury, I would really like to start developing someone with a bit more of an upside than Thad or Tuel. Best case scenario, we wind up like the Chargers: Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers on the roster.

 

They say that a team with two quarterbacks has none, but tell that to the Packers (who lost Aaron Rodgers, and were in free fall until Flynn came back), the 49'ers (who last year started Alex Smith, and went to the Super Bowl with Kaep), and most importantly, the Eagles.

 

The Eagles are a fantastic case. Vick looked amazing in preseason and to start before the Eagles tanked. Nick Foles went in, and had one of the worst games that could be played against the Cowboys, and now has come back to blossom into a pretty damn good quarterback. When Quarterback in so important a position, I don't see as much as a problem to overload it. Unlike, say, drafting YET ANOTHER pass rusher, as many people keep predicting.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Whitewalker Merriman

[Maury Ballstein]

Fitzpicksix ! Yes He always makes the playoffs

 

Check the records.

 

Hahahahahahahaa.

[OldTimer1960]

 

 

And, you're welcome TYO. It may be somewhat of a surprize to learn that tens of thousands of Bills fans also consider themselves pretty good observers of the NFL, including me. While I don't observe that Manuel is Geno-bad (yes, I believed Smith would be THIS bad), the 2 dozen or so HORRIBLE plays our Rook made washes out your positive plays and we're left with a complete unknown at the games' most important position. My angst over this stems from the Bills FINALLY having such good talent on the team overall that we'd be competing for a playoff game this year, we're it not for the poor play and multiple missed games by 'the Chosen One'. Talent windows don't stay around like they used to and this teams' playoff drought is approaching epic proportion in an era where EVERY team can turn their fortunes around in one year. As for Bledsoe-like throws, I recall most good observers in awe over Fitzy's sidearm slings for TDs that "few players can make"! He says "Hi" from Tennessee..

 

IMO, Manuel is a 'project QB' we simply don't have the luxury of time to invest, and his gangly, scrawny legs are a huge concern. I'm good with nurturing him but NOT if we don't get another top prospect in here via Draft or trade this off-season.

 

Just my idiotic opinion.

 

What top QB do you suggest that they draft? There has been A LOT of hype over this year's QB draft crop, but some of the excitement is beginning to fade.

 

Bridgewater is fairly small and played mediocre competition, Carr played poorly against USC and Manziel is under 6' and plays very undisciplined football.

 

I admit that it might be exciting to draft "Johnny Football", but I think there is significant bust factor due to his reported off-field immaturity, lack of size and undisciplined throws that he makes. That of course is only my opinion, which isn't very qualified and may change.

[nuklz2594]

we are stuck with manuel for at least two more seasons. this season was a wash due to injuries.

[mountainwampus]

OP hits the nail on the head with Thad's emotional advantage. Thad just looks more emotionally invested on the field and sidelines while EJ always seems apathetic. Thad plays with a lot of heart and airs it out fearlessly. The D is inspired by what they see and play better. If only he didn't take a shot to the ribs on the 1st play vs Saints, I think he would have won that game, too (Thanks Hacket).

[dogman]

I don't see how EJ or Marrone is a significant step up from Fitz and Chan-as yet. Except Fitz wasn't going to get any better, and EJ may, might, hopefully get better. Yet, Fitz was more durable. Does it matter how good EJ is if he can't stay on the field? Marrone is a better talker and has attracted a significantly better Defensive Coordinator. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of the old regime, but the only real positives I see from EJ and Marrone is that the are young and may get better. Wait till next year-again...

[thebandit27]

OP hits the nail on the head with Thad's emotional advantage. Thad just looks more emotionally invested on the field and sidelines while EJ always seems apathetic. Thad plays with a lot of heart and airs it out fearlessly. The D is inspired by what they see and play better. If only he didn't take a shot to the ribs on the 1st play vs Saints, I think he would have won that game, too (Thanks Hacket).

 

Kind like the difference between Tebow and Manning.

 

Manning looks so bored and milquetoast on the field; give me Tebow and his fiery personality any day.

[BuffOrange]

I don't think Thad has been appreciably better but I do think nobody would know the difference if you put the same # & name on the jerseys. Considering Thad is not an experienced vet, that's a bad sign for EJ.

[Garranimal]

What top QB do you suggest that they draft?

Blake Bortles

 

 

Kind like the difference between Tebow and Manning.

 

Manning looks so bored and milquetoast on the field; give me Tebow and his fiery personality any day.

I would take a 7 game winning streak.

 

Go back and read the positive comments about EJ in this thread. Replace "EJ" with "Tebow" and it sounds eerily similar.....minus the wins. "starts slow, doesn't go through progressions, slow eyes, inaccurate, bad footwork, strange throwing motion, gets more accurate down the stretch"

Edited December 23, 2013 by Garranimal

[Leelee Phoenix]

Put the rosy homer glasses aside...

 

EJ starting: Bills were 3 point underdogs

 

Thad starting: Bills were 1 point favorites (after the line didn't change for 4 days)

 

It's not a good sign when your "Franchise QB" has no respect around the league.

[BillsBytheBay]

we are stuck with manuel for at least two more seasons. this season was a wash due to injuries.

no. Their are no "washes". He was unavailable. For what ever reason it may be, you can't learn, or produce when you're unavailable. I don't accept that as an excuse for underperformance next year.

 

I don't think Thad has been appreciably better but I do think nobody would know the difference if you put the same # & name on the jerseys. Considering Thad is not an experienced vet, that's a bad sign for EJ.

I like Thad. Not much in the tool box, but heart. I love how he gets rid of the ball. I hope he sticks around a while. Just as a backup.

[TH3]

Criminy - So much silliness.....If TL were the "starter" and EJ was the back -up underdog the same group that are Thadaholics now would be EJ maniacs - They would point to TL's inaccuracy - they fact he had four years to do something and the rest of the NFL gave up on him....why are we sticking with him, the defense bailed him out yesterday...when we have EJ ready to come in - who has show good things in spite of missing practice most of the season EJ is our future!!!....blah blah blah...

 

The back-up QB always has the benefit of the doubt because its a win-win for them - look reasonable and you are the answer- because you are the back up and you weren't' necessarily expected to do well ....play like a back up and you did because that is what you are. For Cripe sake - if EJ had the same performances TL had against Miami - the same TL supporters would be pointing out in game one the horrible QBR (29) and in the second game the D handed the game to him.

 

On the other hand - EJ has the burden of having to look like a "franchise" QB every time he plays - and every aspect of him is gauged against Wilson, Luck....TL - not so much because we got him for nothing....but TL "shows more emotion....!!!"

 

EJ is exactly (minus the knee) what he was predicted - great potential - gonna take a couple of years.

 

I love all the Alex Smith fans who point to him - he stink stank stunk for 5 years......now he is captain check down (also 2-4 in his last 6 games) but EJ checking down means will never amount to anything.....

 

Bills are NOT going to draft a QB this year - no way - no how - unless EJ has a career ending injury next week.

[thebandit27]

Blake Bortles

 

 

I would take a 7 game winning streak.

 

Go back and read the positive comments about EJ in this thread. Replace "EJ" with "Tebow" and it sounds eerily similar.....minus the wins. "starts slow, doesn't go through progressions, slow eyes, inaccurate, bad footwork, strange throwing motion, gets more accurate down the stretch"

 

Well as long as we're comparing, go ahead and show me where Tebow played one game even close to as sound as the games EJ had against the Jets at home and Jacksonville on the road.

 

Thanks, and goodnight.

 

Ridiculous comparison, and you wildly missed the point I was making.

[Garranimal]

Well as long as we're comparing, go ahead and show me where Tebow played one game even close to as sound as the games EJ had against the Jets at home and Jacksonville on the road.

 

Thanks, and goodnight.

 

Ridiculous comparison, and you wildly missed the point I was making.

Ok....

 

EJ vs. Jets

 

Passing Rushing CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

20 28 245 71.4 8.75 43 2 0 76.2 121.9 7 9 1.3 6 0

 

EJ vs. Jax

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

17 24 193 70.8 8.04 28 2 1 71.3 105.0 10 37 3.7 12 1

 

Tebow vs. Vikes

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

10 15 202 66.7 13.47 42 2 0 72.1 149.3 4 13 3.3 7

0

 

 

Tebow vs. Steelers

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

10 21 316 47.6 15.05 80 2 0 97.7 125.6 10 50 5.0 11 1

 

Dumping the ball off on check downs is great for completion percentage but I will counter that with 70% greater average completion yardage.

 

I didn't miss your point, i simply added another perspective to the argument.....that is doesn't jive with your belief that EJ is going to be a good QB is what causes you to respond in the asinine way that you did...."thanks and goodnight".....dismissive much?

 

<drops the mike, walks off the stage>

[BmarvB]

I didn't think Jim Kelly was that much better in his first year here - even with his USFL experience.. He had to take his lumps and learn back then just like these guys have to now. Let's not rush to judgement on either of them right now, it's too soon to tell.

[gobillsinytown]

It's way to early to give up on EJ, and the coaching staff is tied to his success or failure. That being said, he'll get one more year.

The good news is that Thad is a pretty capable backup, and IMO a team needs two QB's during the season.

No way does the team draft a QB in the first round. They might go for someone in the later rounds.

As far as the coaching staff......there is a clear youth movement in the NFL. More often than not, teams are hiring younger head coaches and assistant coaches from the college ranks. So hiring younger coaches with less NFL experience isn't the problem. It's hiring the right coaches.

[TheBrownBear]

I'm not so worried about Manuel's durability. I think those were mostly fluke things and him having to learn the hard way about how to protect himself in this league. My big concerns are the absolute turds he laid in the Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, first Jets game and the second half of the Ravens game. But...he is a rookie and these things happen. I actually like both EJ and Thad and I'm ok with the Bills entering camp in 2014 with them as the main QBs. I just happen to think Thad gives us a better chance to win at this point and I prefer watching him over Manuel. I get that Manuel needs reps and experience, but I'd like to see Thad play next week in another tough road game to have a better chance of evaluating him, and it seems like the prudent thing to do given the situation with EJs knees. Let's take another look at Thad, let EJ get healthy, and then enter 2014 with an open QB competition.

[Rob's House]

Criminy - So much silliness.....If TL were the "starter" and EJ was the back -up underdog the same group that are Thadaholics now would be EJ maniacs - They would point to TL's inaccuracy - they fact he had four years to do something and the rest of the NFL gave up on him....why are we sticking with him, the defense bailed him out yesterday...when we have EJ ready to come in - who has show good things in spite of missing practice most of the season EJ is our future!!!....blah blah blah...

 

The back-up QB always has the benefit of the doubt because its a win-win for them - look reasonable and you are the answer- because you are the back up and you weren't' necessarily expected to do well ....play like a back up and you did because that is what you are. For Cripe sake - if EJ had the same performances TL had against Miami - the same TL supporters would be pointing out in game one the horrible QBR (29) and in the second game the D handed the game to him.

 

On the other hand - EJ has the burden of having to look like a "franchise" QB every time he plays - and every aspect of him is gauged against Wilson, Luck....TL - not so much because we got him for nothing....but TL "shows more emotion....!!!"

 

EJ is exactly (minus the knee) what he was predicted - great potential - gonna take a couple of years.

 

I love all the Alex Smith fans who point to him - he stink stank stunk for 5 years......now he is captain check down (also 2-4 in his last 6 games) but EJ checking down means will never amount to anything.....

Bills are NOT going to draft a QB this year - no way - no how - unless EJ has a career ending injury next week.

 

I don't have connections deep within the organization so I can't say you're wrong, but this seems to me to be an inexplicable decision if true. Why would they not draft a QB? There's no reason not to.

[thebandit27]

Ok....

 

EJ vs. Jets

 

Passing Rushing CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

20 28 245 71.4 8.75 43 2 0 76.2 121.9 7 9 1.3 6 0

 

EJ vs. Jax

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

17 24 193 70.8 8.04 28 2 1 71.3 105.0 10 37 3.7 12 1

 

Tebow vs. Vikes

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

10 15 202 66.7 13.47 42 2 0 72.1 149.3 4 13 3.3 7

0

 

 

Tebow vs. Steelers

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG

TD

10 21 316 47.6 15.05 80 2 0 97.7 125.6 10 50 5.0 11 1

 

Dumping the ball off on check downs is great for completion percentage but I will counter that with 70% greater average completion yardage.

 

I didn't miss your point, i simply added another perspective to the argument.....that is doesn't jive with your belief that EJ is going to be a good QB is what causes you to respond in the asinine way that you did...."thanks and goodnight".....dismissive much?

 

<drops the mike, walks off the stage>

 

Really, we're going to call those performances equal? 10-21 is as good a game as EJ had? Ok then.

 

And yes, you did miss my point, which was to say that the QB's demeanor between plays doesn't say a thing about his ability to play the game. Your additional perspective was wildly off the mark with regard to my original statement, so my "asinine dismissal" of your erroneous comparison may be more appropriate than you'd like to think.

 

If completing 10 passes in the guy's best game doesn't tell you that they're totally different players, then I'm not sure there's a discussion to be had.

 

Perhaps you should take the mic with you next time.

[Gerry]

Despite the difference in pass attempts, TL (77.8) and EJ (77.7) have almost identical passing ratings. TL has established himself as a credible backup, while EJ is still a question mark as a starter. I seriously doubt if EJ would have done a better job than TL yesterday in the wind and rain; the fact is, it doesn't seem to matter which one of them is in there, which is troubling. EJ could ease some of the fears if he leads the team to a win next week, but the chances of that are slim to none. Assuming he stays healthy, we won't know more until mid-season next year.

[thebandit27]

Despite the difference in pass attempts, TL (77.8) and EJ (77.7) have almost identical passing ratings. TL has established himself as a credible backup, while EJ is still a question mark as a starter. I seriously doubt if EJ would have done a better job than TL yesterday in the wind and rain; the fact is, it doesn't seem to matter which one of them is in there, which is troubling. EJ could ease some of the fears if he leads the team to a win next week, but the chances of that are slim to none. Assuming he stays healthy, we won't know more until mid-season next year.

 

For the most part I agree with this...although I will say that EJ had his best performance of the year in gale force wind and rain at home against the Jets. Better performance against a better defense; to me, a game like that shows me that his upside far exceeds that of Thad.

 

To me, it isn't about EJ vs. Thad, it's about EJ vs. drafting another guy...Thad's not in the conversation from what I've seen.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

 

Seriously?! watching EJ dink and dunk all day is nauseating.

 

Go watch the last three quarters of the jax game. A sure fire cure for that nausea

[Boatdrinks]

I don't have connections deep within the organization so I can't say you're wrong, but this seems to me to be an inexplicable decision if true. Why would they not draft a QB? There's no reason not to.

Most of us probably don't have such connections. I would base it on past NFL history. Most teams do not draft 1st round QB's in consecutive years. There may be the odd example of a team doing this, but barring major injury it just doesn't happen. There are many reasons. In a nutshell, QB's generally take a couple years to hit their stride and given the importance of the position + the 1st round pick teams want to be sure before they cut a guy loose. Favre, anyone? The new CBA allows for very little practice time, hardly enough to develop one guy. Couple that with a long standing NFL culture that dictates there be ONLY 1 starting QB, and logic says the Bills don't start a revolution here. If EJM is healthy, he will be given at least 2014, and the Bills will address a different area of need such as a stud WR or perhaps another top LB. My gut says the 1st rounder goes to the Offense, but that depends which guy is there when they pick. Alonso was a 2nd rounder, so they could wait for an LB there. It's too early to tell. But short of catastrophic injury, a QB will not be drafted high (before the 3rd or 4th round) in 2014. If a proven veteran QB became available, the Bills may act on it. They tried very hard to get Alex Smith last offseason.

[Maury Ballstein]

Stop complaining about dunking and dunking when you worship the king of the dink and dunk Alex Smith.

 

Lost 4 of 6 games w Smith lately. Rut rough. But it's cool when smith does it. Not cool for EJ ? Confusing stuff

[Boatdrinks]

 

To me, it isn't about EJ vs. Thad, it's about EJ vs. drafting another guy...Thad's not in the conversation from what I've seen.

Right. EJ has had some bad moments, but overall he hasn't thrown up on his shoes. So he will be given another season due to his draft status/physical tools. Drafting another guy MAY be an option in the middle rounds to compete with TL as a potential backup. That's about it. If TL is brought back, it will be as a backup. It's more likely TL would have to compete with a vet QB other than Kolb (who will likely retire) for that backup spot.

[Rob's House]

 

Most of us probably don't have such connections. I would base it on past NFL history. Most teams do not draft 1st round QB's in consecutive years. There may be the odd example of a team doing this, but barring major injury it just doesn't happen. There are many reasons. In a nutshell, QB's generally take a couple years to hit their stride and given the importance of the position + the 1st round pick teams want to be sure before they cut a guy loose. Favre, anyone? The new CBA allows for very little practice time, hardly enough to develop one guy. Couple that with a long standing NFL culture that dictates there be ONLY 1 starting QB, and logic says the Bills don't start a revolution here. If EJM is healthy, he will be given at least 2014, and the Bills will address a different area of need such as a stud WR or perhaps another top LB. My gut says the 1st rounder goes to the Offense, but that depends which guy is there when they pick. Alonso was a 2nd rounder, so they could wait for an LB there. It's too early to tell. But short of catastrophic injury, a QB will not be drafted high (before the 3rd or 4th round) in 2014. If a proven veteran QB became available, the Bills may act on it. They tried very hard to get Alex Smith last offseason.

I'm not suggesting 1st rd. Viable options have come in rds 2-4 in recent years, & taking one of those guys doesn't preclude you from starting EJ next year or even the year after that & so on. It just gives you a low cost contingency plan.

[thebandit27]

Right. EJ has had some bad moments, but overall he hasn't thrown up on his shoes. So he will be given another season due to his draft status/physical tools. Drafting another guy MAY be an option in the middle rounds to compete with TL as a potential backup. That's about it. If TL is brought back, it will be as a backup. It's more likely TL would have to compete with a vet QB other than Kolb (who will likely retire) for that backup spot.

I'm not suggesting 1st rd. Viable options have come in rds 2-4 in recent years, & taking one of those guys doesn't preclude you from starting EJ next year or even the year after that & so on. It just gives you a low cost contingency plan.

 

Yes to both of these posts...personally I'm on board with the 4th round QB idea.

[Garranimal]

Really, we're going to call those performances equal? 10-21 is as good a game as EJ had? Ok then.

 

And yes, you did miss my point, which was to say that the QB's demeanor between plays doesn't say a thing about his ability to play the game. Your additional perspective was wildly off the mark with regard to my original statement, so my "asinine dismissal" of your erroneous comparison may be more appropriate than you'd like to think.

 

If completing 10 passes in the guy's best game doesn't tell you that they're totally different players, then I'm not sure there's a discussion to be had.

 

Perhaps you should take the mic with you next time.

i got your demeanor sarcastic comment, it wasn't that sophisticated....it also wasn't worth commenting on....comparing Tebow and Peyton Manning is as asinine as comparisons get.

 

Compare Tebow and Kyle Orton perhaps as they QB'ed the exact same team in the exact same season and had personalities similar to what the original point was about. Compare Peyton and Tom Brady and who has the most rings? yeah, the fiery guy.

 

I think you are missing the point.....I am not saying Tebow is good, i am saying EJ is Tebow-like bad. 10 completions for 300 yards....is 10 completions for 300 yards. You can mock it all you want...get back to me when EJ has a 300 yard game....not a 290-something....a 300 yard game.....and then again when he does it in a playoff game.

[3rdand12]

okay i will put the mike down and leave

[Dibs]

Despite the difference in pass attempts, TL (77.8) and EJ (77.7) have almost identical passing ratings. TL has established himself as a credible backup, while EJ is still a question mark as a starter. I seriously doubt if EJ would have done a better job than TL yesterday in the wind and rain; the fact is, it doesn't seem to matter which one of them is in there, which is troubling. EJ could ease some of the fears if he leads the team to a win next week, but the chances of that are slim to none. Assuming he stays healthy, we won't know more until mid-season next year.

 

Though I generally agree with that, I think that comparing base QBRs is a tad deceiving.

 

Though the sample size is small, Thad has shown himself to be relatively consistent. 4 games, 3 games with QBRs 67.6, 72.0, 77.8.....and one game 100.5.

 

EJ IMO has shown that he is far less consistent than Thad having shown results that are both horrible, and very good. EJ's bad games result in QBRs of 31.2, 48.9 & 63.5.....but his good games result in QBRs of 121.9, 105.5, 105.0.......with the rest ranging throughout with QBRs of 89.3, 86.7, 74.8 & 71.8.

 

So we have two QBs who are playing relatively poorly(both near 78 QBR). One of those QBs typically produces in a game at around that base level(Thad)......while the other QB can perform horribly in any given game, but also can far more regularly be very good(or better than the base level).

 

 

These are all just stats......and really mean nothing.....but they do IMO represent the differences between the two QBs at this point in time, at least in my eyes.

Edited December 24, 2013 by Dibs

[BackInDaDay]

Thad competes... but with 3 years NFL experience under his belt, i'm concerned we've seen his best.

I sincerely doubt we've seen our inexperienced QB's best.

Not with an inexperienced OC, and inexperienced receivers.

 

at this stage he needs help to succeed. if Marrone and Hackett have the will to review and correct every situation where - whether it be from sloppy design, or undisciplined play - his rookie had little chance to make positive plays, then we'll see him grow next season. otherwise, it doesn't matter who's taking the first team snaps.. the QB play will remain inconsistent.

[Buftex]

I didn't think Jim Kelly was that much better in his first year here - even with his USFL experience.. He had to take his lumps and learn back then just like these guys have to now. Let's not rush to judgement on either of them right now, it's too soon to tell.

 

I say this as someone who thinks EJ can still be a good QB for the Bills...you are so wrong here. Kelly was much better in his rookie season, from week one on...sure, he got better, but I don't think anyone had any doubt, even for a moment, during his rookie year, that Kelly was not a franchise QB.

 

I'm not suggesting 1st rd. Viable options have come in rds 2-4 in recent years, & taking one of those guys doesn't preclude you from starting EJ next year or even the year after that & so on. It just gives you a low cost contingency plan.

 

No way the Bills will draft a QB in the first two rounds...but I would be surprised if they didn't pick somebody in the 4th or 5th round, maybe the 3rd.

 

As for Thaddeus Lewis, I like him. I would have zero problem with him being our #2 guy next year... he is a gamer, and I think his teammates respond to him. I like the energy he brings to the offense. I am also not sure that some of his inaccuracy is not caused by nerves. He makes plays...

Edited December 24, 2013 by Buftex

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I didn't think Jim Kelly was that much better in his first year here - even with his USFL experience.. He had to take his lumps and learn back then just like these guys have to now. Let's not rush to judgement on either of them right now, it's too soon to tell.

 

On the off chance you're not trolling, check out what 'Bmarv' had to say about Kelly with barely a half season as his QB ('86 Season Hi-lites). From the 'Kelly is God!' opener vs the Jets (3 TD passes), to the aerial duel with Boomer in Cinci, the last second end zone toss that bounced off Riddicks arm cast, to the 'Read' @ KC where he checked out of a 3rd down pass and Riddick ripped past the blitzing LBs to score from 40 yrds, he was All-World and easily the best QB in team history. Sure, he had a learning curve, but the Bills were a threat in every game he played from beginning to the end of his career. Manuel alone, does not make the Bills a threat.