ganesh Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 True. More than this actually when signing bonus factored in. So what's your point? Simply pointing that i wouldn't be surprised if the Bills do sign Matt Moore, My point is that neither Moore nor Fitz can take this team to the playoffs. They need a real QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I'd rather just take a shot at the best QB available when we make our first pick. Fitz, TJ and Moore are all known, and we know them as average at best. We need to take a chance to find someone decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 When will the nightmare end? Apparently never.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Why oh why do we set the bar so damn low? Matt Moore? Yeesh. Suppose we did sign him for about $4 million. That makes close to $20 million dedicated to the QB position BEFORE we draft another with no playoff QB's, let alone SB MVP's, on our roster. Moronic move. Edited March 6, 2013 by Marauder24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Colt McCoy would've been my preference, over T-Jax. Smart, high completion percentage, can run the kind of offense that Marrone wants to install, and has very similar measurables to Drew Brees - obviously, his big weakness is his arm strength. But he seems coachable to me. I don't think McCoy's career is over, by any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 trade down in the draft, and get extra draft picks? I am guessing that Moore could be had for approx. 3 years/18 million. In this scenario, they could acquire more picks, fill holes, and go after a qb next year. I suppose the question is whether or not Bills management thinks that he is better than Fitz. I lean towards thinking that he is. Opinions? Given his limited experience and performance, the more appropriate question is whether he is better than Thigpen. Moore has played behind Testaverde, David Carr, Delhomme, Clausen, Josh McKown and Chad Henne. He missed all of 2008 and half of 2010. My belief is that there is not a high-probability-of-success QB in this draft, so I could be aligned with this sort of plan. I *might* consider Matt Barkley at #8 in round one, but I see that as a gamble. I am not at all sold on Geno Smith. I suspect that one of the following will be available when the Bills pick in round 2: Ryan Nassib, EJ Manuel, Tyler Wilson. IMHO, each is worthy of consideration there. I am not sure if I'd prefer Matt Moore to one of those, but I suppose that they could sign Moore and still pick one of those 3. Regarding a trade down, it usually is worth considering. However, if they have convinced themselves that they don't need to "reach" for a QB in round 1, they should be able to get a very good player at another position with the 8th pick. With the new rookie wage scale, there isn't much of a "gamble" any more. Someone suggested paying Matt Moore 18 million for 3 years. The Fins replaced Moore with Tannehill (with the #8 pick) for 4 years at $12.7 million. I'm convinced right now that Barkley and Smith are better than more and will be better in the NFL. So I don't see this "risk" or how Moore decreases risk. People here are actually proposing we pass on a Barkley or Smith to pick a zero impact O-lineman at #8. Makes no sense. Even if he turns out to be "the best guard in the history of the NFL", who cares? If Smith or Barkley bust out...big deal. Just draft another QB next year anyway. They are incredibly cheap now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) With the new rookie wage scale, there isn't much of a "gamble" any more. Someone suggested paying Matt Moore 18 million for 3 years. The Fins replaced Moore with Tannehill (with the #8 pick) for 4 years at $12.7 million. I'm convinced right now that Barkley and Smith are better than more and will be better in the NFL. So I don't see this "risk" or how Moore decreases risk. People here are actually proposing we pass on a Barkley or Smith to pick a zero impact O-lineman at #8. Makes no sense. Even if he turns out to be "the best guard in the history of the NFL", who cares? If Smith or Barkley bust out...big deal. Just draft another QB next year anyway. They are incredibly cheap now. You make a terrific point. If you are going to make a mistake in the draft then do it trying to have a major impact for your team. Hitting it right with a qb selection, albeit at a risk, can dramatically change the dynamic of the team for the better. The Bills have made draft mistakes at every position. So why be so reluctant to even swing the bat and give yourself a chance to come up with a legitimate franchise qb?. Edited March 6, 2013 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 That's a 3some to be feared. Fitztragic Tavaris Inactive Jackson Matt Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 You make a terrific point. If you are going to make a mistake in the draft then do it trying to have a major impact for your team. Hitting it right with a qb selection, albeit at a risk, can dramatically change the dynamic of the team for the better. The Bills have made draft mistakes at every position. So why be so reluctant to even swing the bat and give yourself a chance to come up with a legitimate franchise qb?. This is what Ive been saying all offseason. With the new rookie wage scale, and the fact that the NFL is pushing to a QB-centric league, smart teams will pick a QB early (Rounds 1-3) every couple of years. Take a swing at a QB early, but dont be afraid to draft another within a couple years in case he doesnt pan out. Worst case scenario is you have extra players at the most coveted position in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 You make a terrific point. If you are going to make a mistake in the draft then do it trying to have a major impact for your team. Hitting it right with a qb selection, albeit at a risk, can dramatically change the dynamic of the team for the better. The Bills have made draft mistakes at every position. So why be so reluctant to even swing the bat and give yourself a chance to come up with a legitimate franchise qb?. There's no question that Bills should draft a QB early this year. But, from what I've seen, it's highly debatable that any of the 2013 rookies can step right in and play. So the realistic scenario is that the controls will be in the hands of Fitz, Jackson or a Moore for this year. I would entertain signing Moore as Fitz's replacement if he's cut. I would not be cavalier in throwing out a raw rookie out there with a questionable supporting cast on offense this year, with everyone learning a brand new system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Nobody thought Tom Brady would be a franchise QB when he was drafted. The only way you can get a franchise guy is if you draft him. You're not going to find a franchise guy who is a FA retread. Matt Moore is not even a temporary one. The Bills need to bite the bullet, do their homework and draft a guy that fits their system, somewhere in the first 3 rounds. Holding out and biding time for the next great QB is probably what got us to this point anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 There's no question that Bills should draft a QB early this year. But, from what I've seen, it's highly debatable that any of the 2013 rookies can step right in and play. So the realistic scenario is that the controls will be in the hands of Fitz, Jackson or a Moore for this year. I would entertain signing Moore as Fitz's replacement if he's cut. I would not be cavalier in throwing out a raw rookie out there with a questionable supporting cast on offense this year, with everyone learning a brand new system. There are few rookie qbs who can play immediately and not be overwhelmed. Of course there are exceptions to the rule as demonstrated by Luck, RGIII and Russell Wilson. With Wilson he struggled for the first half of the season and then in the second half he found his mojo. Kaepernick played a little in his rookie year and took off when he got extended playing time this year. Whether a young qb prospect plays immediately or not if he is on the roster he will at least be developing as a player. I believe that Barkley probably will be better sooner than most of the other qbs in this draft. That doesn't mean that a prospect such as Geno Smith or Glennon might not in the long run turn out to be better qbs. What is most important is getting that prospect in the pipeline and getting him prepared to be the long term qb for this franchise. Developing a franchise qb isn't always a quick process (sometimes it is) but if you don't start the process you will never get anywhere. The Bills are a testament to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 At this point a bit of wasted money. We would be dedicating a ton of money to 3 back up qbs. Then lets say we draft one in the first. 4 Qb's all making 2.5 mil per year or more. Doesn't make sense to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Don't forget about the JaMarcus Russell comeback bid. "The trouble with always aiming lower is you eventually blow your own feet off." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 At this point a bit of wasted money. We would be dedicating a ton of money to 3 back up qbs. Then lets say we draft one in the first. 4 Qb's all making 2.5 mil per year or more. Doesn't make sense to i believe most in the discussion are considering this to replace fitz. it would cost a little extra cap this year but over a 2 year period we would still come out ahead in cap hits as well as save cash. all while possibly upgrading the talent in the qb room, if you ask me. not a MUST DO IT NOW OR ELSE WE WILL FAIL kind of move, but i think it would be an, albeit pretty small, step forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBackupQB Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 if Matt Barkley is Healthy and you can get him in the 2nd rd...no way you can pass on that guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 If I had no QBs on the roster and the only two available were Matt Moore and Ryan Fitzpatrick, I might go Moore. I like him OK as a journeyman/backup type. But at this point, I don't think Moore's got anything that could make up for Fitz's basic familiarity with Stevie, the RBs, and the line. Which isn't a high bar to a real replacement, but it's enough for me not to worry about the 1-2% of extra talent Moore might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 if Matt Barkley is Healthy and you can get him in the 2nd rd...no way you can pass on that guy If Matt Barkley is healthy and they can get him at #41, I will go ice skating in the buff in Bryant Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 If Matt Barkley is healthy and they can get him at #41, I will go ice skating in the buff in Bryant Park. +1. If you want him, take him at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Colt McCoy would've been my preference, over T-Jax. Smart, high completion percentage, can run the kind of offense that Marrone wants to install, and has very similar measurables to Drew Brees - obviously, his big weakness is his arm strength. But he seems coachable to me. I don't think McCoy's career is over, by any stretch. How do you coach "Arm Strength" Nobody thought Tom Brady would be a franchise QB when he was drafted. The only way you can get a franchise guy is if you draft him. You're not going to find a franchise guy who is a FA retread. Matt Moore is not even a temporary one. The Bills need to bite the bullet, do their homework and draft a guy that fits their system, somewhere in the first 3 rounds. Holding out and biding time for the next great QB is probably what got us to this point anyways. +1. You draft one, and he fails, then you draft another one. If he fails too, you draft another one, until you hit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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