Kellyto83TD Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 And that feeling stinks. T Jax to compete with Fitz? Everyone knows he will never lead us anywhere near a superbowl, cut him and move on, but our new HC and Nix (who hitched his GM legacy to the guy) have kept him. What sucks is if the Defense really comes on and we end up 6-10 to 8-8 and there is really good QB talent in the draft next year. Now we are too far up the draft chart to get a good one. Nix really set this franchise back by thinking Fitz was the real deal and ignoring QB for 3 years. This franchise will always be handcuffed and never see a superbowl again until QB is finally addressed with a top tier talent and for the forseeable future, we are handcuffed with average to below average talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 if it was an established nfl hc i would feel a ton more confident that they might be able to make a run at the playoffs. marrone might end up being good but i just dont see how he isnt going to struggle mightily early on. for every jim harbaugh there are at least twenty mike mularkeys. the defense will probably be pretty good but without a premier qb i think the offense takes a big step back in a new system. hope im wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Unfortunately, the club is handcuffed this year by the guaranteed money given to Fitz. But I agree with you; cut him and move on. The numbers don't matter. Fitz is a loser. Start fresh with someone (anyone) else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Take some solace that inept coaching has cost this team, in my estimation, anywhere from 3-5 wins almost every year for the last decade. The cliche goes something like "a good coach puts his players in the best position to win". I don't think either Chan Gailey or Dick Jauron did that on a regular basis. I don't believe that the talent level on this roster is that much worse than so many other teams in the league. Now, that still may not translate into a playoff apperence, or a winnging record, but lets give the new HC the benefit of a doubt. There is a tendancy (and I am guilty of it too) of holding the current team responsible for the failures of the last...as it turns out, we have had a horrendous decade or so of bad football, but there is no reason that has to continue. I get that none of us are real excited at the prospect of heading into a year with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tarvaris Jackson as our QB options...but in the right offense, and a coach that doesn't expect more out of them than they can deliver, either guy, with their experience, might be able put up a respectable season... Edited February 18, 2013 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 There is such a thing as trading up, but it's a little premature to start thinking about the 2014 draft before the 2013 draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Take some solace that inept coaching has cost this team, in my estimation, anywhere from 3-5 wins almost every year for the last decade. The cliche goes something like "a good coach puts his players in the best position to win". I don't think either Chan Gailey or Dick Jauron did that on a regular basis. I don't believe that the talent level on this roster is that much worse than so many other teams in the league. Now, that still may not translate into a playoff apperence, or a winnging record, but lets give the new HC the benefit of a doubt. There is a tendancy (and I am guilty of it too) of holding the current team responsible for the failures of the last...as it turns out, we have had a horrendous decade or so of bad football, but there is no reason that has to continue. I get that none of us are real excited at the prospect of heading into a year with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tarvaris Jackson as our QB options...but in the right offense, and a coach that doesn't expect more out of them than they can deliver, either guy, with their experience, might be able put up a respectable season... I don't see Marrone adding 3-5 wins based on his coaching alone. This team is lacking talent at linebacker, strong safety, quarterback , wide reciever, cornerback. So I don't really agree on your assesment of talent on this team compared with good teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 woe is me..............let's hold back the tearfest until FA and the draft occurs. Bowe and Geno Smith and this whole thing has a better feel IMO. i'll cry with ya if you we don't draft a qb and fitz wins the "competition" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 our record will be worse than last year....i'd say 4-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cub Reporter Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 woe is me..............let's hold back the tearfest until FA and the draft occurs. Bowe and Geno Smith and this whole thing has a better feel IMO. i'll cry with ya if you we don't draft a qb and fitz wins the "competition" Agreed. We can't be upset about something that hasn't happened yet. I'll be upset if we don't do anything this offseason, but who knows what the future holds. We don't know how good Marrone is, we don't know if our defense was bad especially because of Wanny. Theres alot of unknow and alot of ahead of us, let's keep our heads up until our roster is set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I won't wail about the QB situation until the draft is over and we don't have a young prospective starter. Having two guys like Fitz and Tarvaris on the roster isn't unusual...it's regarding them as starting candidates that's trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 woe is me..............let's hold back the tearfest until FA and the draft occurs. Bowe and Geno Smith and this whole thing has a better feel IMO. i'll cry with ya if you we don't draft a qb and fitz wins the "competition" If G Smith were the #8 pick I would feel much better. The bottom line is no coaching is going to fix Fitz. He is what he is and that is a journeyman backup. Fitz = Kelly Holcomb. No one in the NFL besides a Nix/ Gailey combo would ever have allowed him to be a starter and paid him that much money. Now these stupid decisions are continuing to set us back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The pragmatist in me says tank this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 6-10. Expect- by the numbers- improved run defense, worse pass defense, and a slightly worse offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Oh, good. It's this thread again. /golfclap Edited February 18, 2013 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Whats new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 So we suck, and you're preparing an I told you so? Classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 if it was an established nfl hc i would feel a ton more confident that they might be able to make a run at the playoffs. marrone might end up being good but i just dont see how he isnt going to struggle mightily early on. for every jim harbaugh there are at least twenty mike mularkeys. the defense will probably be pretty good but without a premier qb i think the offense takes a big step back in a new system. hope im wrong What do Jim Harbaugh and Mike Mularkey have in common in this context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathcliff Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Take some solace that inept coaching has cost this team, in my estimation, anywhere from 3-5 wins almost every year for the last decade. The cliche goes something like "a good coach puts his players in the best position to win". I don't think either Chan Gailey or Dick Jauron did that on a regular basis. I don't believe that the talent level on this roster is that much worse than so many other teams in the league. Now, that still may not translate into a playoff apperence, or a winnging record, but lets give the new HC the benefit of a doubt. There is a tendancy (and I am guilty of it too) of holding the current team responsible for the failures of the last...as it turns out, we have had a horrendous decade or so of bad football, but there is no reason that has to continue. I get that none of us are real excited at the prospect of heading into a year with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tarvaris Jackson as our QB options...but in the right offense, and a coach that doesn't expect more out of them than they can deliver, either guy, with their experience, might be able put up a respectable season... But you have to have a QB behind center that can hit a 20+ yard pass more than 5% of the time. If you limit your offense to 10 yard passes or less you will go no where. Look at the past 3 years for proof. I agree that the running backs were not used enough, this is a no brainer. But no downfield game hurts the running game also. Please find a QB that can hit the 20-40 yard downfield pass consistently............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Agreed. We can't be upset about something that hasn't happened yet. I'll be upset if we don't do anything this offseason, but who knows what the future holds. We don't know how good Marrone is, we don't know if our defense was bad especially because of Wanny. Theres alot of unknow and alot of ahead of us, let's keep our heads up until our roster is set. "we don't know if our defense was bad especially because of Wanny." ? Oh yes we do . Wannstadt destroyed any hope the players had to succeed. This year will be a learning year and a settling in. should be fun though. Not going to look like last yearses teams. I am upbeat and hopeful. for now. heck it is the off season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 WASTE? It is not likely to come down to a Fitz-Jax competition. Bills will draft their future qb on day one. You suggest that it would suck if the defense turned it around and their record was 6-10 or 8-8. Well, even if Fitz were to be the QB, it is virtually the same offense with perhsps an upgrade at wr and te. So, if Bills have the same offense and the D kicks it into a top 10 or 12, there is no way in hell the Bills could not win at least 9 games. They would have won 9 this season if the D had at least ranked in thetop 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 So what if it is? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 WASTE? It is not likely to come down to a Fitz-Jax competition. Bills will draft their future qb on day one. You suggest that it would suck if the defense turned it around and their record was 6-10 or 8-8. Well, even if Fitz were to be the QB, it is virtually the same offense with perhsps an upgrade at wr and te. So, if Bills have the same offense and the D kicks it into a top 10 or 12, there is no way in hell the Bills could not win at least 9 games. They would have won 9 this season if the D had at least ranked in thetop 20. Stupid Wannstadt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Unfortunately, the club is handcuffed this year by the guaranteed money given to Fitz. But I agree with you; cut him and move on. The numbers don't matter. Fitz is a loser. Start fresh with someone (anyone) else. This is a case of the TBD affliction "I'm upset. Make me feel better". Unloading Fitz *at all costs* does not help the team get better. It makes you feel better, but dropping players 'just because' has no merit. You may not like Fitz and want an upgrade, but if Tom Brady became a Bill tomorrow, the team is not helped one iota by arbitrarily cutting Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I think we'll be a little below .500 in 2013 as we've been for the past several years. I think Gailey was an average-to-good OC. I think the Marrone/Hackett combination will be better but not necessarily right away. It sometimes takes a while to install a new offensive (or defensive) scheme. Furthermore, until the quarterbacking gets better, the offense won't get much more productive. And if Levitre walks, our OL will suffer. All in all, our offense may take a small backwards. On defense, I think we all expect Pettine to be a better DC than Wanny. But we just cut 3 starters and may yet lose another. While they all had problems, their back-ups aren't any better. Nonetheless, I do see the defense improving somewhat in 2013 thanks to Pettine's philosophy, preparation and more aggressive approach. Of course, free agency and the draft could change these assessments, especially on defense. However, I'm not at all confident we'll find that franchise QB we've all been waiting for. If Fitz isn't the QB in '13, it will be either TJax or some raw rookie. I don't know if I'd call 2013 a "waste" because Marrone/Hackett/Pettine will be laying the foundation for the future, but I don't think we'll be in playoff contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I fully expect them to be contending for a playoff spot. There is plenty of talent on this team to win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpockets28 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) If the bills draft ryan nassib with the 8th overall pick..and he wins the open competition...(scary I know...but from what im feeling it could happen)...we can easily go 16-0....ok so back to reality...more like 3-13..... Edited February 19, 2013 by Hotpockets28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) And that feeling stinks. T Jax to compete with Fitz? Everyone knows he will never lead us anywhere near a superbowl, cut him and move on, but our new HC and Nix (who hitched his GM legacy to the guy) have kept him. What sucks is if the Defense really comes on and we end up 6-10 to 8-8 and there is really good QB talent in the draft next year. Now we are too far up the draft chart to get a good one. Nix really set this franchise back by thinking Fitz was the real deal and ignoring QB for 3 years. This franchise will always be handcuffed and never see a superbowl again until QB is finally addressed with a top tier talent and for the forseeable future, we are handcuffed with average to below average talent. You are already looking at next year and complaining before even giving the new staff a chance Anyone with a clue can see that the Fitz Tavaris battle is basically a battle for who will be the backup to whoever the QB of the future is...guess you missed that Unfortunately, the club is handcuffed this year by the guaranteed money given to Fitz. 100% not true Edited February 19, 2013 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Unfortunately, the club is handcuffed this year by the guaranteed money given to Fitz. But I agree with you; cut him and move on. The numbers don't matter. Fitz is a loser. Start fresh with someone (anyone) else. I totally agree. That moronic contract is done and you can't do anything about it. I say dump the nice guy but loser on the field, and move on and get started with the future. It just amazes me that Buddy Nix still has his job after being responsible for things like Fitz's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I can see the Bills putting forth a surprise season this year kinda like the Phins did in '08 ( I think it was '08). Where the took advantage of a weak AFCE division. The Jets are finished with their current regime, im not sold on Philbin and Tannehill yet, and the Pats are yet another year older. I think Maroone makes CJ the centerpiece of our offense, Fitz stays within his limits, and Pettine makes a huge impact on defense. Optimistic? Of course, but not improbable. Theres alot of time before opening day but I can certainly see us being @ least competitive this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Dude Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Unfortunately, the club is handcuffed this year by the guaranteed money given to Fitz. But I agree with you; cut him and move on. The numbers don't matter. Fitz is a loser. Start fresh with someone (anyone) else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I can see the Bills putting forth a surprise season this year kinda like the Phins did in '08 ( I think it was '08). Where the took advantage of a weak AFCE division. The Jets are finished with their current regime, im not sold on Philbin and Tannehill yet, and the Pats are yet another year older. I think Maroone makes CJ the centerpiece of our offense, Fitz stays within his limits, and Pettine makes a huge impact on defense. Optimistic? Of course, but not improbable. Theres alot of time before opening day but I can certainly see us being @ least competitive this year. I would say improbable but not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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