Bills' Worst Draft Ever...Try and Top this one

[BringBackFergy]

Here's a little game I like to call....."WTF was the front office thinking?". Since it is slow in the Bills news category and I am burned out with analysis of "what ifs" in the upcoming Draft 2013, I took a gander at the Bills' drafting history (as I am apt to do each year before our Draft) and doubt anyone can find a more depressing draft than 2000. Take a look and if you think you can beat it, please feel free.

 

 

2000 1 26(26) Bills Erik Flowers DE Arizona State 2000 2 27(58) Bills Travares Tillman DB Georgia Tech 2000 3 27(89) Bills Corey Moore LB Virginia Tech 2000 4 27(121) Bills Avion Black WR Tennessee State 2000 5 27(156) Bills Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech 2000 6 28(194) Bills Leif Larsen DT UTEP 2000 7 27(233) Bills Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 2000 7 45(251) Bills DaShon Polk LB Arizona

[KD in CA]

And as usual they didn't bother drafting a QB; not like there was anyone good in the later rounds anyway that year.

[nucci]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=0610&type=team

 

'60, '65, and '67 were bad also.

[Pete]

Here's a little game I like to call....."WTF was the front office thinking?". Since it is slow in the Bills news category and I am burned out with analysis of "what ifs" in the upcoming Draft 2013, I took a gander at the Bills' drafting history (as I am apt to do each year before our Draft) and doubt anyone can find a more depressing draft than 2000. Take a look and if you think you can beat it, please feel free.

 

 

2000 1 26(26) Bills Erik Flowers DE Arizona State 2000 2 27(58) Bills Travares Tillman DB Georgia Tech 2000 3 27(89) Bills Corey Moore LB Virginia Tech 2000 4 27(121) Bills Avion Black WR Tennessee State 2000 5 27(156) Bills Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech 2000 6 28(194) Bills Leif Larsen DT UTEP 2000 7 27(233) Bills Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 2000 7 45(251) Bills DaShon Polk LB Arizona

Godawful for sure. But 2000 is the weakest NFL draft I can recall. Look at this load of **** in the first round(and the subsequent rounds were not much better)Round 1

1 (1) Cleveland Browns - Courtney Brown, DE Penn State

2 (2) Washington Redskins - LaVar Arrington, LB Penn State

3 (3) Washington Redskins - Chris Samuels, T Alabama

4 (4) Cincinnati Bengals - Peter Warrick, WR Florida State

5 (5) Baltimore Ravens - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee

6 (6) Philadelphia Eagles - Corey Simon, DT Florida State

7 (7) Arizona Cardinals - Thomas Jones, RB Virginia

8 (8) Pittsburgh Steelers - Plaxico Burress, WR Michigan State

9 (9) Chicago Bears - Brian Urlacher, LB New Mexico

10 (10) Baltimore Ravens - Travis Taylor, WR Florida

11 (11) New York Giants - Ron Dayne, RB Wisconsin

12 (12) New York Jets - Shaun Ellis, DE Tennessee

13 (13) New York Jets - John Abraham, LB South Carolina

14 (14) Green Bay Packers - Bubba Franks, TE Miami (FL)

15 (15) Denver Broncos - Deltha O'Neal, DB California

16 (16) San Francisco 49ers - Julian Peterson, LB Michigan State

17 (17) Oakland Raiders - Sebastian Janikowski, K Florida State

18 (18) New York Jets - Chad Pennington, QB Marshall

19 (19) Seattle Seahawks - Shaun Alexander, RB Alabama

20 (20) Detroit Lions - Stockar McDougle, T Oklahoma

21 (21) Kansas City Chiefs - Sylvester Morris, WR Jackson State

22 (22) Seattle Seahawks - Chris McIntosh, T Wisconsin

23 (23) Carolina Panthers - Rashard Anderson, DB Jackson State

24 (24) San Francisco 49ers - Ahmed Plummer, DB Ohio State

25 (25) Minnesota Vikings - Chris Hovan, DT Boston College

26 (26) Buffalo Bills - Erik Flowers, DE Arizona State

27 (27) New York Jets - Anthony Becht, TE West Virginia

28 (28) Indianapolis Colts - Rob Morris, LB Brigham Young

29 (29) Jacksonille Jaguars - R. Jay Soward, WR USC

30 (30) Tennessee Titans - Keith Bulluck, LB Syracuse

31 (31) St. Louis Rams - Trung Canidate, RB Arizona

[sodbuster]

Sammy morris.

[BringBackFergy]

And as usual they didn't bother drafting a QB; not like there was anyone good in the later rounds anyway that year.

 

I just browsed 1979 and saw the name "Dan Manucci - QB".....I almost lost my breakfast when I read that name.

[T master]

Sammy Morris did good in Miami for a lot of years, so one out of 8 not bad & i bet Miami was

thankful !

[metzelaars_lives]

Godawful for sure. But 2000 is the weakest NFL draft I can recall. Look at this load of **** in the first round(and the subsequent rounds were not much better)Round 1

1 (1) Cleveland Browns - Courtney Brown, DE Penn State

2 (2) Washington Redskins - LaVar Arrington, LB Penn State

3 (3) Washington Redskins - Chris Samuels, T Alabama

4 (4) Cincinnati Bengals - Peter Warrick, WR Florida State

5 (5) Baltimore Ravens - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee

6 (6) Philadelphia Eagles - Corey Simon, DT Florida State

7 (7) Arizona Cardinals - Thomas Jones, RB Virginia

8 (8) Pittsburgh Steelers - Plaxico Burress, WR Michigan State

9 (9) Chicago Bears - Brian Urlacher, LB New Mexico

10 (10) Baltimore Ravens - Travis Taylor, WR Florida

11 (11) New York Giants - Ron Dayne, RB Wisconsin

12 (12) New York Jets - Shaun Ellis, DE Tennessee

13 (13) New York Jets - John Abraham, LB South Carolina

14 (14) Green Bay Packers - Bubba Franks, TE Miami (FL)

15 (15) Denver Broncos - Deltha O'Neal, DB California

16 (16) San Francisco 49ers - Julian Peterson, LB Michigan State

17 (17) Oakland Raiders - Sebastian Janikowski, K Florida State

18 (18) New York Jets - Chad Pennington, QB Marshall

19 (19) Seattle Seahawks - Shaun Alexander, RB Alabama

20 (20) Detroit Lions - Stockar McDougle, T Oklahoma

21 (21) Kansas City Chiefs - Sylvester Morris, WR Jackson State

22 (22) Seattle Seahawks - Chris McIntosh, T Wisconsin

23 (23) Carolina Panthers - Rashard Anderson, DB Jackson State

24 (24) San Francisco 49ers - Ahmed Plummer, DB Ohio State

25 (25) Minnesota Vikings - Chris Hovan, DT Boston College

26 (26) Buffalo Bills - Erik Flowers, DE Arizona State

27 (27) New York Jets - Anthony Becht, TE West Virginia

28 (28) Indianapolis Colts - Rob Morris, LB Brigham Young

29 (29) Jacksonille Jaguars - R. Jay Soward, WR USC

30 (30) Tennessee Titans - Keith Bulluck, LB Syracuse

31 (31) St. Louis Rams - Trung Canidate, RB Arizona

 

Wow. That is insane. Out of an entire first round, who turned out to be an impact player in the pros? Lewis, Burress, Urlacher, Abraham, Peterson, Janikoswski, Pennington, Alexander, Hovan and Bulluck. I guess Shaun Ellis was OK. But even of those guys, none of them were insanely good except Urlacher. Perhaps the Raiders weren't so crazy taking Janikowski after all.

 

I think there is a collective sinking feeling around here that this year's draft could turn out a lot like this one.

Edited January 29, 2013 by metzelaars_lives

[dogman]

Here's a little game I like to call....."WTF was the front office thinking?". Since it is slow in the Bills news category and I am burned out with analysis of "what ifs" in the upcoming Draft 2013, I took a gander at the Bills' drafting history (as I am apt to do each year before our Draft) and doubt anyone can find a more depressing draft than 2000. Take a look and if you think you can beat it, please feel free.

 

 

2000 1 26(26) Bills Erik Flowers DE Arizona State 2000 2 27(58) Bills Travares Tillman DB Georgia Tech 2000 3 27(89) Bills Corey Moore LB Virginia Tech 2000 4 27(121) Bills Avion Black WR Tennessee State 2000 5 27(156) Bills Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech 2000 6 28(194) Bills Leif Larsen DT UTEP 2000 7 27(233) Bills Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 2000 7 45(251) Bills DaShon Polk LB Arizona

 

Very funny. When you asked the question-that was exactly the draft I thought of...

[Maury Ballstein]

jamal lewis was a freakin beast..........he got his superbowl ring by going beastmode all season for the Ravens.

[auburnbillsbacker]

Sammy Morris did good in Miami for a lot of years, so one out of 8 not bad & i bet Miami was

thankful !

He also was good with the patriots. Several 100 yard games and great special teams play.

[tombstone56]

BAD YEAR OVERALL that list of draftees was like a " who is that "" not the the bills , but the whole list turned out to be also rans with very few exceptions, lousy draft

Edited January 29, 2013 by tombstone56

[KD in CA]

Wow. That is insane. Out of an entire first round, who turned out to be an impact player in the pros? Lewis, Burress, Urlacher, Abraham, Peterson, Janikoswski, Pennington, Alexander, Hovan and Bulluck. I guess Shaun Ellis was OK. But even of those guys, none of them were insanely good except Urlacher. Perhaps the Raiders weren't so crazy taking Janikowski after all.

 

I think there is a collective sinking feeling around here that this year's draft could turn out a lot like this one.

 

Yeah, the Raider took a lot of grief over that pick. Funny that Janikowski ended up as one of the better picks.

[maddenboy]

So here's the thing.

 

Been saying this for years.

 

Draft who you like. Draft who you think is gonna be good. Dont give a Fu** about "draft position" or "value." There's only gonna be a few really good players in every draft. So if you think you found one, take him at 8.

[Section242]

The alleged tanked Butler draft. Tillman was in the league for a little bit but other than him and Morris I can't recall other guys being in the league very long. Larsen was a workout warrior if I recall correctly.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

So here's the thing.

 

Been saying this for years.

 

Draft who you like. Draft who you think is gonna be good. Dont give a Fu** about "draft position" or "value." There's only gonna be a few really good players in every draft. So if you think you found one, take him at 8.

Mrs. Nasabb, please hold back...

[San Jose Bills Fan]

BTW, that was a John Butler draft.

[JPS]

Bad draft years happen to everybody. But stringing them together as the Bills have is almost an exercise in mathematical improbability. What's worse than that is: when you finally hit on a good, qualified NFL player, you let him walk or trade him away for a sack of potatoes.

[BringBackFergy]

Bad draft years happen to everybody. But stringing them together as the Bills have is almost an exercise in mathematical improbability. What's worse than that is: when you finally hit on a good, qualified NFL player, you let him walk or trade him away for a sack of potatoes.

A sack of potatoes has value

[Sisyphean Bills]

Like Pete posted, 2000 was a really poor year overall. Of course, the Bills didn't help themselves, but they also springboarded that draft to go on and re-draft Erik Flowers type players for years.

[BringBackFergy]

Like Pete posted, 2000 was a really poor year overall. Of course, the Bills didn't help themselves, but they also springboarded that draft to go on and re-draft Erik Flowers type players for years.

 

The Bills for the past 10 years have tried to outsmart themselves with draft picks. I do recall Flowers was touted as a quick d-lineman and was thought of as a safe pick that busted...but when you consider the McCargo type picks and the Maybin types, we are sometimes caught looking for the "diamond in the rough" type guys in Rounds 1-3 (Maybin, McCargo, TJ Graham, etc) rather than the solid pick based on performance during four years of college, injury history, nose for the ball, etc.

[McBeane]

A sack of potatoes has value

 

Do you think we could trade Mario for a sack of potatoes? Idaho potatoes only though...

[BringBackFergy]

BTW, that was a John Butler draft.

Not being a smartass, but when did Butler leave for SanDiego?? December 2000 by chance?

[Lurker]

BTW, that was a John Butler draft.

His "I'm out the door, on the way to the Chargers" draft.

 

The Flowers pick was the classic "need pick" rather than BPA. Although as that first round shows, it was a down year all around...

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/draft.htm

[eball]

The 2000 Draft shall forever be known as John Butler's "eff you" to Ralph, as he headed to San Diego.

[BringBackFergy]

Do you think we could trade Mario for a sack of potatoes? Idaho potatoes only though...

 

Less likelihood of wrist injuries with a sack of potatoes, can take up space on the D Line, needs some assistance with lateral movement, stays steady at snap count so no encroachment penalties, plays C gap to perfection but difficulty wrapping the runner, mediocre pass coverage unless covering 5'10" track stars converted to WR.

[Maddog69]

So here's the thing.

 

Been saying this for years.

 

Draft who you like. Draft who you think is gonna be good. Dont give a Fu** about "draft position" or "value." There's only gonna be a few really good players in every draft. So if you think you found one, take him at 8.

Sincerely,

Ryan Nassib

[Orton's Arm]

The 2007 draft also belongs in this discussion.

 

1 12 Marshawn Lynch, RB

2 34 Paul Posluszny, LB

3 92 Trent Edwards, QB

4 111 Dwayne Wright, RB

6 184 John Wendling, DB

7 222 Derek Schouman, FB

7 239 C.J. Ah You, DE

 

One would expect a team to achieve more in the draft when it has the 12th overall pick--as the Bills did in 2007--than if it has the 26th overall pick.

 

The best player from the 2000 draft was Sammy Morris; a RB who had a 12 year career, and averaged 4.1 yards per carry. The best player from the 2007 draft was Marshawn Lynch; who currently has a career average of 4.2 yards per carry. Morris was the better receiving threat. But Lynch has been given more playing time than Morris.

 

As bad as the 2007 draft was, the 2006 draft was even worse. Or would be, if it wasn't for Kyle Williams.

[Big Turk]

It was John Butler's last draft...i have always argued he intentionally threw the draft because he knew he was leaving...if you look at this draft compared to all his other ones there is no way he could have missed that badly on every pick unless it was intentional

[BobChalmers]

The 2007 draft also belongs in this discussion.

 

1 12 Marshawn Lynch, RB

2 34 Paul Posluszny, LB

3 92 Trent Edwards, QB

4 111 Dwayne Wright, RB

6 184 John Wendling, DB

7 222 Derek Schouman, FB

7 239 C.J. Ah You, DE

 

One would expect a team to achieve more in the draft when it has the 12th overall pick--as the Bills did in 2007--than if it has the 26th overall pick.

 

The best player from the 2000 draft was Sammy Morris; a RB who had a 12 year career, and averaged 4.1 yards per carry. The best player from the 2007 draft was Marshawn Lynch; who currently has a career average of 4.2 yards per carry. Morris was the better receiving threat. But Lynch has been given more playing time than Morris.

 

Hey - the Bills got the 2nd best RB available, and incredibly Trent Edwards was the BEST QB in the draft that year (unless you think Kolb is going to suddenly turn it around), so getting Trent in the 3rd round deserves some credit.

 

Poz as a second rounder is fine - not what we wanted or was hyped to be, but he's still a starter in the league and is near the league lead in tackles regularly. Hardly anything resembling a "bust".

 

Lynch was running behind an awful OL in Buffalo - he is clearly a more or a run threat than Morris ever was, and particularly with his between the tackles violence.

Edited January 29, 2013 by BobChalmers

[BringBackFergy]

It was John Butler's last draft...i have always argued he intentionally threw the draft because he knew he was leaving...if you look at this draft compared to all his other ones there is no way he could have missed that badly on every pick unless it was intentional

 

Can we say the same for Buddah Nix this year...I mean, we are being told he is staying with the Bills as GM until after the Draft...if he is being shown the door in a kind way, will he be repeating the John Butler "screw you guys draft scheme"?? I'm more in favor of letting Whaley and Marrone run the draft and have Buddah sit in a chair eating nachos and playing Wii Mario Cart for that weekend....I mean he can be in the room with them, but let him have some fun on his own in the corner.

[BobChalmers]

4 (4) Cincinnati Bengals - Peter Warrick, WR Florida State

 

Warrick has to be among the biggest and most surprising busts of all time. He was a completely dominant player in college but somehow none of that translated to the pros.

[Big Turk]

 

 

Warrick has to be among the biggest and most surprising busts of all time. He was a completely dominant player in college but somehow none of that translated to the pros.

 

Warrick was far from a bust...he had 3 600 yard seasons followed by a 79 catch 800+ yard 7 TD season...hardly in the same category as someone like James Hardy...he just simply wasnt anywhere near as good as his draft status would have made you think...in that respect he is not much different than Donte Whitner...

Edited January 29, 2013 by matter2003

[Sisyphean Bills]

Warrick has to be among the biggest and most surprising busts of all time. He was a completely dominant player in college but somehow none of that translated to the pros.

And, he didn't play 1 game for the Cincinnati Commandos...

[bobobonators]

The 2007 draft also belongs in this discussion.

 

1 12 Marshawn Lynch, RB

2 34 Paul Posluszny, LB

3 92 Trent Edwards, QB

4 111 Dwayne Wright, RB

6 184 John Wendling, DB

7 222 Derek Schouman, FB

7 239 C.J. Ah You, DE

 

One would expect a team to achieve more in the draft when it has the 12th overall pick--as the Bills did in 2007--than if it has the 26th overall pick.

 

The best player from the 2000 draft was Sammy Morris; a RB who had a 12 year career, and averaged 4.1 yards per carry. The best player from the 2007 draft was Marshawn Lynch; who currently has a career average of 4.2 yards per carry. Morris was the better receiving threat. But Lynch has been given more playing time than Morris.

 

As bad as the 2007 draft was, the 2006 draft was even worse. Or would be, if it wasn't for Kyle Williams.

 

At the time, this draft looked great. Go figure.

[l< j]

At the time, this draft looked great. Go figure.

 

Don't they all?

[Rubes]

I can't even remember what it's like to have to draft in the 26th position.

[VirginiaMike]

Wow. That is insane. Out of an entire first round, who turned out to be an impact player in the pros? Lewis, Burress, Urlacher, Abraham, Peterson, Janikoswski, Pennington, Alexander, Hovan and Bulluck. I guess Shaun Ellis was OK. But even of those guys, none of them were insanely good except Urlacher. Perhaps the Raiders weren't so crazy taking Janikowski after all.

 

I think there is a collective sinking feeling around here that this year's draft could turn out a lot like this one.

Missed Chris Samuals -- he was a solid Left Tackle for the Skins with multiple trips to the Pro Bowl.

[BobChalmers]

Don't they all?

 

Not really no. Some you can tell right away are a mess.

 

Bills fans were dancing in the aisles about getting Lynch and Poz and Edwards and A's all around from the pundits.

 

As a matter of fact though, 2007 WAS a pretty good draft in terms of what the Bills got vs. what was available.

Edited January 29, 2013 by BobChalmers

[Pete]

I was going to say the 1972 Walt Patulski draft but we got Reggie McKenzie in the second and a few other key contributers.

 

Player Position College 1 Buffalo Bills Walt Patulski Defensive end Notre Dame 2 Cincinnati Bengals Sherman White Defensive end California 3 Chicago Bears ^{(From New York Giants)}Lionel Antoine Offensive tackle Southern Illinois 4 St. Louis Cardinals Bobby Moore Wide receiver Oregon 5 Denver Broncos Riley Odoms Tight end Houston 6 Houston Oilers Greg Sampson Defensive end Stanford 7 Green Bay Packers Willie Buchanon Defensive back San Diego State 8 New Orleans Saints Royce Smith Guard Georgia 9 New York Jets Jerome Barkum Wide receiver Jackson State 10 Minnesota Vikings ^{(From New England Patriots)}Jeff Siemon Linebacker Stanford 11 Green Bay Packers ^{(From San Diego Chargers)}Jerry Tagge Quarterback Nebraska 12 Chicago Bears Craig Clemons Defensive back Iowa 13 Pittsburgh Steelers Franco Harris Running back Penn State 14 Philadelphia Eagles John Reaves Quarterback Florida 15 Atlanta Falcons Clarence Ellis Defensive back Notre Dame 16 Detroit Lions Herb Orvis Defensive end Colorado 17 New York Giants ^{(From Los Angeles Rams via New England Patriots)}Eldridge Small Defensive back Texas A&I 18 Cleveland Browns Thom Darden Defensive back Michigan 19 San Francisco 49ers Terry Beasley Wide receiver Auburn 20 New York Jets ^{(From Washington Redskins)}Mike Taylor Linebacker Michigan 21 Oakland Raiders Mike Siani Wide receiver Villanova 22 Baltimore Colts Tom Drougas Offensive tackle Oregon 23 Kansas City Chiefs Jeff Kinney Running back Nebraska 24 New York Giants ^{(From Minnesota Vikings)}Larry Jacobson Defensive end Nebraska 25 Miami Dolphins Mike Kadish Defensive tackle Notre Dame 26 Dallas Cowboys Bill Thomas Running back Boston College

[edit]What strikes me at the first round is how many became Bills. Mike Kadish, Sherman White, Bobby Moore