Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Says Dave is one of the worst coaches he has ever seen, very unimaginative, very uninspiring, no ability to motivate players, goes on to tell stories of his ineptitude. (5 min mark) http://audio.wgr550.com/a/65461225/10-29-jason-cole-shares-his-thoughts-on-bill-polian-mario-williams-and-where-the-bills-stand-as-of-now.htm {side note: says Tannehill is the real deal} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Yeah...heard it as well...said his schemes are completely unimaginitive and he gets outcoached consistantly...said Wanny and Norv Turner have made more money off their association with Jimmy Johnson than two people should ever make... Said in Dallas, Johnson would come in and go crazy on the defensive players and Wanny would tell them "don't worry about him, he's just crazy, we will get better next game". Johnson was bad cop, wanny was good cop...well in Buffalo both Gailey and Wanny are good cops so that dynamic isn't working too good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Says Dave is one of the worst coaches he has ever seen, very unimaginative, very uninspiring, no ability to motivate players, goes on to tell stories of his ineptitude. (5 min mark) http://audio.wgr550....d-as-of-now.htm {side note: says Tannehill is the real deal} Wow, great find. Thanks for posting. As for the message, too true I feel. Seems like Chan's real weakness is inability to choose/attract quality staff who can run the ship with his hands-off attitude. Edited October 30, 2012 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booger Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 somewhat explains all the letdown seasons at PITT. Always great classes, but way under preformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I only head part of that segment on wgr....but wow was it damning of how bad wanny is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I just don't get this -- at all. I don't know anything about Jason Cole, much as I really don't know anything about Dave Wannstedt. It's simply hard for me to believe the picture being painted. I'm also of the mindset that professional athletes don't (or shouldn't) need a "motivational" coach to get amped up to play. That's supposed to be built into the character of the type of guys you want on your team. Anyway -- if things don't change with the product on the field, it will all be moot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm also of the mindset that professional athletes don't (or shouldn't) need a "motivational" coach to get amped up to play. Totally agree, the "motivation" factor is way over-rated in the NFL .... however, the "unimaginative" and bland scheming, and being "out-coached"; is the Pope Catholic? That is so obvious its not funny anymore to all of us---just get rid of him now, and then at least it is fully on the players (which leads back to the motivation issue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Just listen to the guy speak...i don't think he could scheme a layout for Battleship let alone an NFL Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I don't buy that Wanny doesn't motivate. You can't recruit the players he recruited at Pitt without inspiring the players. His problem seems to be that he is not a good tactician. He can get talent, but he doesn't know how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbottroadwarrior Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I don't buy that Wanny doesn't motivate. You can't recruit the players he recruited at Pitt without inspiring the players. His problem seems to be that he is not a good tactician. He can get talent, but he doesn't know how to use it. It makes me think the game has passed him by. But then I wonder if the defense he's rolling out now ever would have been effective against NFL offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 somewhat explains all the letdown seasons at PITT. Always great classes, but way under preformed. See, I don't get this. Pitt went to a BCS bowl under Wanny and has sucked pretty much when he wasn't there. He also has a very good resume of having top 10 defenses. And for as much crap as gets in Miami, he is their best coach since Shula and rode Jay Fiedler to the playoffs several times. That said, while I still mostly blame the players, the Wanny talk is opening my eyes. He hasn't coached in the NFL since 2004 and the game has changed a lot. And as much as blame the players for underperforming, it would be nice to see some creativity. Wanny may be too old school and stubborn. IMO, this is his last stand. Still, I put this on the players 60-40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Couldn't remember how to put them back in the trash can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Depressing. Didn't think my view on Wanny could sink any lower. Chan definitely needs a bad cop foil. Hates the blitz. Poor play calling in the second half. And now, according to the reporter, unimaginative, not inspirational, ineffectual, bad teller of stories and a poor user of props. Wonder what his bright spots are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I for one have to admit that I only looked at the win/loss record of Wanny, not his supporting cast. Would go a long way to explain the uninspired play, and to answer another poster's question about professionals motivating themselves... it is human nature to need motivation and most studies show that money is not the biggest motivator for most adults in choosing a career. Although if someone is without it long enough it certainly becomes a bigger motivator. That being said, I would wager that the performance of most professional athletes actually tails off more after securing a lucrative contract. I don't have anything to support that other than my memory of just about every player that held out for big contracts. Professional athletes, more so than those who occasionally play for the love of a game, are probably in more dire need of coaches who can find new and unique ways to motivate them than most folks who are paid to do a job. Just like anyone else, pro athletes can go through the motions, say the right things, and collect a check. Heck, there are probably more than a few of us that do that at our own workplace. With the new CBA they don't even have to hang out together that much during the week with the severe restrictions on practice schedules. Leaders that can consistently inspire those they lead, and can instill in them a sense of unity&motivation towards a goal are rare. That is why I still believe that the talent level on NFL teams is relatively close, but how that talent is motivated and prepared (coaching) is the difference between a cellar-dweller defense and an upper-eschelon one. I don't want to just harp on Wanny not being on the sideline during games, but can someone name one successful defense coordinator who is not on the sideline during games? Defense is about attitude, and about pumping up your players and showing them that you are as emotionally vested and "into" the game as you want them to be....I have a hard time believing that those things can happen from the sterile confines of a sky booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) I just don't get this -- at all. I don't know anything about Jason Cole, much as I really don't know anything about Dave Wannstedt. It's simply hard for me to believe the picture being painted. I'm also of the mindset that professional athletes don't (or shouldn't) need a "motivational" coach to get amped up to play. That's supposed to be built into the character of the type of guys you want on your team. Anyway -- if things don't change with the product on the field, it will all be moot... That may have been true 15-20 years ago, but todays athletes are different, very few of them are playing for the love of the game anymore. They are playing for the paycheck and fame. They have been groomed throughout their lives that they are special and superstars, and the best of where they came from, probably not needing to try much to be the best player on their team. Then when they get to the pros, and they are given the huge paycheck, they feel they can still just ride their talent to the next paycheck. The players today want to be "entertainers" more then "athletes" I just think its funny how quickly the tide has turned on Wanny. last year here he was going to be the saviour because of his past resume of building a defence, now he is being thought of as worse the George Edwards. Edited October 30, 2012 by apuszczalowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TC in St. Louis Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think the most disappointing unit in the NFL this year has to be the defensive line of the Bills. All summer long I was under the impression that having Mario on one end, the two awesome DTs in the middle and Anderson on the other end....I thought we would dominate. They have not dominated. They have been atrocious. On a scale of 1-10, my expectations were 9 or 10. Instead, they have played like a 1 or 2. And I think it's a combination of attitude and schemes. They just get blown out, or they are out of position at least 10 times a game. They'll stop the run a few times, and then allow a 40 yard run to a guy we've never heard of, or an 85 yard td to a guy who has not scored since last year. Hopefully Mario's wrist has healed, and the week off has given these guys some time to soul-search and get their heads out of their butts. Chris Kelsay's words might light a fire. My expectations now are that we will play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Depressing. Didn't think my view on Wanny could sink any lower. Chan definitely needs a bad cop foil. Hates the blitz. Poor play calling in the second half. And now, according to the reporter, unimaginative, not inspirational, ineffectual, bad teller of stories and a poor user of props. Wonder what his bright spots are. He's Chan's friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I just don't get this -- at all. I don't know anything about Jason Cole, much as I really don't know anything about Dave Wannstedt. It's simply hard for me to believe the picture being painted. I'm also of the mindset that professional athletes don't (or shouldn't) need a "motivational" coach to get amped up to play. That's supposed to be built into the character of the type of guys you want on your team. Anyway -- if things don't change with the product on the field, it will all be moot... Agreed. This is not college. This is a players league. Not a coaches league. We need a leader on the field. Just don't have one yet. All of the d players are individuals. Mario, into himself, Dareus, too young, Kyle, playing his own game, Kelsey just trying to out motor everyone. Sheppard too young. Barnett should be but is not. Moats? No. Byrd should be but is not. Wilson .. not enough cred to tell others what to do. Corners just tying to stay alive. that is the problem. no ray lewis type out their like Spikes, Conlon, Smith before them. Just not there. That is what I see. With the new CBA, the coaches cannot punish the players much and with guaranteed money, it takes a special group to actually go out there and lay it all on the field. Don't see it in this bunch. they are very clinical. Not very emotional. Need both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 My expectations now are that we will play better. I just hope they're aware that a stunning win over Houston would keep them employed longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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