EldaBillsFan Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 19td 14 ints .... Not really impressive... But when you consider 7 of those ints came in a 3 game stretch( jets,Dallas,Dophlins).... where your go-to WR didnt practice with the team for over 2 weeks because of nagging injuries, then you lose your number 2 wr ....you dont have your starting OT, nor your backup OT, and you lose your starting Center, and to top it all off you lose the NFL Leading rusher...Oh and He took a nasty shot from London Fletcher in the Washinton game, that rocked Ritz pretty bad, and seem to have lingered with him for awhile.... But Enuff Excuses... More Number.... Previously to the 3 game stretch ... His QB rating was 98.4...behind only Rogers,Brady and Brees...completing 67% of his passes.....Behind only Rogers and Brees.....you cant just erase those 3 games........But you can look at his body of work and call those 3 games an aberration where he threw only 2 tds but 7 ints .....when in the first 7 games he only threw 7 ints.... Last week against the Jets he seem to have returned to his old self with a 116 QB rating and completing 67%.... and with Stevie Johnson finally looking healthy and explosive again...Bell returning...and Urbik providing stability at center, Brad Smith becoming a legit number 2 wr, and Spiller atleast a decent option at RB.... I look to see Fitz and the Bills finish this season strong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Agreed. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Every game counts, not just the ones you want. Fitz is the guy who played great against the Jets, Fitz is the guy who played lousy vs the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 ...Brad Smith becoming a legit number 2 wr When did he become a legit #2 WR? Just because he is starting or because he made one lucky tip of the ball in last weeks game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Take out the 2 picks that bounced off receivers hands vs Fish and add in the TD Sunday that was dropped and all of the sudden he's 20 TDs and 12 picks. Regardless, he's got the 5th highest completion percentage and 7th in TD passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 When did he become a legit #2 WR? Just because he is starting or because he made one lucky tip of the ball in last weeks game? Did you see Gailey's face light up when he was asked by the media about Smith? Fitzpatrick and Smith are starting to get some chemistry. I think he does have a legitimate shot at proving himself worthy at the #2 WR position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Did you see Gailey's face light up when he was asked by the media about Smith? Fitzpatrick and Smith are starting to get some chemistry. I think he does have a legitimate shot at proving himself worthy at the #2 WR position. Proving that he can be a #2, and saying he is a legit #2 right now(as the other poster implied), are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloATL Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Did you see Gailey's face light up when he was asked by the media about Smith? Fitzpatrick and Smith are starting to get some chemistry. I think he does have a legitimate shot at proving himself worthy at the #2 WR position. I like seeing him out there, but I couldn't help but compare his salary to what other WRs make: http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/wide-receiver/ I think he'd be 12th highest paid reciever in the league (maybe lower on this list... can't recall how much of his 4 yr/15 mil was signing bonus) as the Bills #2 WR. I guess you can look at it this way: the Bills are paying him, they might as well line him up at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 When did he become a legit #2 WR? Just because he is starting or because he made one lucky tip of the ball in last weeks game? Nothing like making stuff up to prove a point that can't be proven with on-field production. Goes in line with saying CJ Spiller got better as the game wore on last week and that Merriman was improving the pass rush despite not pressuring the QB or getting sacks. Or that Hairston/Bell are now good starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Every game counts, not just the ones you want. Fitz is the guy who played great against the Jets, Fitz is the guy who played lousy vs the Jets. And he plays tough but screams like a girl. I don't think there is a QB right now other than Aaron Rodgers who hasn't had a bad game. The entire team sucked against the Jets the first time, and the two following. He's No. 7 in TD passes, 13 in P/R, and has been sacked less than most QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I have 5 bucks, F$tzmonies won't be starting for the Buffalo Bills next season...look into the stats of him throwing the ball over 30 yards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Picks from a deflected pass should count as half an interception. Not entirely the fault of the QB, especially when they put it on the numbers and it squeaks through for a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 19td 14 ints .... Not really impressive... But when you consider 7 of those ints came in a 3 game stretch( jets,Dallas,Dophlins).... where your go-to WR didnt practice with the team for over 2 weeks because of nagging injuries, then you lose your number 2 wr ....you dont have your starting OT, nor your backup OT, and you lose your starting Center, and to top it all off you lose the NFL Leading rusher...Oh and He took a nasty shot from London Fletcher in the Washinton game, that rocked Ritz pretty bad, and seem to have lingered with him for awhile.... But Enuff Excuses... More Number.... Previously to the 3 game stretch ... His QB rating was 98.4...behind only Rogers,Brady and Brees...completing 67% of his passes.....Behind only Rogers and Brees.....you cant just erase those 3 games........But you can look at his body of work and call those 3 games an aberration where he threw only 2 tds but 7 ints .....when in the first 7 games he only threw 7 ints.... Last week against the Jets he seem to have returned to his old self with a 116 QB rating and completing 67%.... and with Stevie Johnson finally looking healthy and explosive again...Bell returning...and Urbik providing stability at center, Brad Smith becoming a legit number 2 wr, and Spiller atleast a decent option at RB.... I look to see Fitz and the Bills finish this season strong.... +1. Great post. It drives me crazy to see so many posts from people complaining about our needing an elite QB. They barely exist. I'd love to luck into an Aaron Rodgers as much as the next guy, but Fitz is easily the best we've had since the 90s. This is the most exciting offense I've seen in years. Hardly perfect and with the odd mistake that makes me tear what's left of my hair out, but at least its exciting/competitive. Once the FO wakes up and provides some depth/support we can count on playoff runs. Success attracts better free agents and away we go. Far as I'm concerned anyone who wants to ride Fitz out of town is just not paying attention. I had actually stopped watching when Trent was playing, now I'm as involved as I was in the 90s. Far as I'm concerned that alone makes him a massive success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Nothing like making stuff up to prove a point that can't be proven with on-field production. Goes in line with saying CJ Spiller got better as the game wore on last week and that Merriman was improving the pass rush despite not pressuring the QB or getting sacks. Or that Hairston/Bell are now good starters. And the theory of gravity has never been proven. Spiller did get better with more touches. Merriman did have an impact, at least for anyone who watches the game closely. And Smith so far has been a good receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I think the entire team looked flat in those 3 blowouts. In particular, Fitz gets a pass from me in that Miami game, where he had to worry on every play whether or not Levitre could get him the ball. He looked great last week -- let's see if he's got his mojo back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Every game counts, not just the ones you want. Fitz is the guy who played great against the Jets, Fitz is the guy who played lousy vs the Jets. Brady played lousy against the Bills too... I like Fitz's trajectory, but we're snakebitten with key injuries every year, so much that it seems we'll never see the full potential of our outstanding players (or any players for that matter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Sylvan Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We have had about 3 games where it was obvious our offense was failing. 3 (offense) is much better than all, minus the Redskins (defense). Fitz has played well enough to make this team a playoff team and for what we're used to he clearly is someone to build around. I could care less whether or not Fitz can lead us to a superbowl right now. I care about what we need for this team to function better and Fitz will be one of the last parts/players that will need to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) Take out the 2 picks that bounced off receivers hands vs Fish and add in the TD Sunday that was dropped and all of the sudden he's 20 TDs and 12 picks. Regardless, he's got the 5th highest completion percentage and 7th in TD passes. Geesh you can cherry pick the what if's all you want. How about the TD pass to brad smith last sunday that had INT written all over it. Every game, every pass counts. For every "ignore the tip" INTs you can find one that was an INT until the receiver made a better play than the DB. You have to count them all. Edited December 1, 2011 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldaBillsFan Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 Every game counts, not just the ones you want. Fitz is the guy who played great against the Jets, Fitz is the guy who played lousy vs the Jets. Yeah I said that....smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) And Smith so far has been a good receiver. Except for the one on the sidelines that he jumped up for and the football hit him in the hands that he didn't pull in. And the last play where it hit him in the hands (tough catch but still) and the several others he's dropped during the season. He's doing as best as he probably can filling in though. Edited December 1, 2011 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I think Fitz needs a "smith type" reciever.......meaning a big physical target but who runs better routes, has better hands, and gets open deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldaBillsFan Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 Proving that he can be a #2, and saying he is a legit #2 right now(as the other poster implied), are two different things. I'll admitt that...but everyone is missing the point.... Fitz has been a stud minus 3 games...once again you can't just erase the game....but the body of work is good I think Fitz needs a "smith type" reciever.......meaning a big physical target but who runs better routes, has better hands, and gets open deep. about Smith.... jets had plans on making him there 3rd wr..... he has played with two really good route running wrs .... in holmes and in johnson(who he said has helped him a lot).... he's faster...bigger and stronger than jones .... and he knew eventually he was going to shift to Wr... All I'm saying is let's see what he does...but Fitz trust Smith probably more than he did for Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Picks from a deflected pass should count as half an interception. Not entirely the fault of the QB, especially when they put it on the numbers and it squeaks through for a pick. How, then, would you "count" a touchdown that a receiver batted in the air to prevent an interception? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldaBillsFan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) How, then, would you "count" a touchdown that a receiver batted in the air to prevent an interception? Just curious. Its all football....brady,rogers,montana who hasn't always thrown best passed and all of them have had passing that turned into ints that wasn't there fault.... the point of this post was Fitz has had a really good a season.... and with 5 games left a december run wouldn't surprise me Edited December 2, 2011 by EldaBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I have 5 bucks, F$tzmonies won't be starting for the Buffalo Bills next season...look into the stats of him throwing the ball over 30 yards... You're living up to your member name. I'll take that action and ask you to add a couple zeroes on the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIVA BUFFALO CABRONES! Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Ryan Fitzpatrick: 32 games 13W 19L Trent Edwards: 32 games 14W 18L http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/career-passing.htm Edited December 2, 2011 by VIVA BUFFALO CABRONES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You forgot: Jim Kelly: 32 games 14W 18L p.s. you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Ryan Fitzpatrick: 32 games 13W 19L Trent Edwards: 32 games 14W 18L Its no about yds, TD, QB Rating or stupid espn's new stat. is about Ws http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/career-passing.htm I give credit for the Jets road win in 2009 to Fitz. Sure Trent started, but he went out injured in the first half while we were down by 3. So if you swap those, it's Ryan Fitzpatrick: 32 games 14W 18L Trent Edwards: 32 games 13W 19L But really who cares, both records suck. Of course if a certain receiver had not dropped 2 game winners, Fitz would be 16-16. But, QB can't win or lose it by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffmonster Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You forgot: Jim Kelly: 32 games 14W 18L p.s. you're an idiot. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Go look at points for and points against. Fitz is playing with some terrible defenses. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SactoBillFan Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 People love to talk about QB win loss records. Hmmm wonder why it's not an official NFL statistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Not a fitz lover but think he is not the issue... 3rd all time in yards per game behind kelly and bledsoe 5th all time in TD's TD % only .1 behind kelly who is at a 5 Wins and loses are a team stat not just a QB stat... Here is a fun fact at Fitz current TD per game rate he would outpace kelly by 3 Td's playing the same amount of games...So is he now the MVP and franchise guy to lead us to 4 straight AFC titles ? ? C'mon MAN !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 The Bills have won about 43% of their games not counting full-on rebuilding years (01, 10) since the the millennium started. Their 60-79 record in these seasons is remarkable consistency given there've been 4 GM's and 4 HC's in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Ryan Fitzpatrick: 32 games 13W 19L Trent Edwards: 32 games 14W 18L http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/career-passing.htm Is that you Dog1487? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Is that you Dog1487? That's what I was wondering ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Not a fitz lover but think he is not the issue... 3rd all time in yards per game behind kelly and bledsoe 5th all time in TD's TD % only .1 behind kelly who is at a 5 Wins and loses are a team stat not just a QB stat... Here is a fun fact at Fitz current TD per game rate he would outpace kelly by 3 Td's playing the same amount of games...So is he now the MVP and franchise guy to lead us to 4 straight AFC titles ? ? C'mon MAN !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You forgot: Jim Kelly: 32 games 14W 18L p.s. you're an idiot. Hmmm....so Trent is the next Jim Kelly! Anyway, didn't Fitz have 12 starts in Cincy and a handful in St Lou? Are those not counted? Trenty had zero starts--until he started for the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 One would have to attribute the TE losses to overall poor quarterback play and alot of Fitz's losses to mostly horrendous defense. Without looking up stats thats what I seem to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Watch Fitz play he is much better than Trent ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Now go back and look at all the crap teams the guy was a back up on Rams-Bengals-Bills Consider the injuries this years and last years Bills teams, to the WR corps, the O lines! Now consider in 13 games last year 3000 yards 23 TD's-15 INT's. This season 2,549 yards passing with 64.0 completion % Now try and consider what this team would look like with Trent Edwards still at QB, with Tyler Thigpin at QB, when both those 2 would need more then 3 seconds to find the open receiver. Trent Edwards had a quicker release then Fitz does, but what good does it do if he can't find the open receiver and hit him with the ball? If this HC & GM ever decide to build a proper O line, this Bills team could easily make the playoffs with Fitz at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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