1billsfan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) "I'm all about my Bills like Stevie Johnson! $ on my mind $ on my conscience I'm all about my Bills like Stevie Johnson". If Bob Costas is the pillar of virtue, where is he on his alumni Syrcause University sex story? SJ13 didn't rape no little boy. Calm down Bills fans! Exactly, Costas needs to have some perspective here. This whole thing has been ridiculously blown out of proportion. BTW, I think Bills fans have been conditioned to always have a person to really hate after a loss. It's the Jerry Sullivanication effect. Did Johnson's drop and celebration penalty have an effect on the final outcome? Sure it did, but so did no running game on offense and no pass rush on defense. But Bills fans don't want to hear or talk about that. They need a "Super Villain" to turn their anger towards. I like Stevie's quirks and off beat personality. I enjoyed his celebration dance. Even more, I love the way he plays. If the Bills don't sign him long term I will be a very very angry fan. Edited November 28, 2011 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 haven't read the 15 pages of this thread but one simple fact: SJ dropped what looked like a sure TD pass on final drive. If SJ wants to be a top receiver in this league he can not drop key TD passes see Pitt last year and one yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) I'm not reading all 14 pages here, so I have to ask: has anyone noted that on the final two plays of the game where he was targeted -- the two plays when it should be most difficult to get open in the end zone -- Stevie Johnson was wide open and would have scored if the passes had been on target? He has his flaws, certainly, but he"s a great route runner and would start for just about every team in the league. Why oh why would the Bills let him walk? As Adam mentions above, look at McGahee. If we had kept him instead of trading him for a couple of ultimately worthless third rounders, he would be in the backfield along with Fred Jackson, Spiller and Lynch would have been drafted by other teams, and the Bills would presumably have two other first rounders on the squad at positions of real need. I get that people are turned off by his antics. But the man can play. Forget the eight receptions for a second -- just think about hoow frequently he got open against a very good secondary. PS: He wouldn't have scored on the pass he dropped. He would have gotten to the 12 or 13. There are no excuses for the drop, but he did atone for his error by getting open twice for TD opportunities on two of the game's final three plays. Edited November 28, 2011 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 John Murphy said on the Sunday Night Blitz on Ch. 4 that he thinks the Bills will let Stevie hit the free agent market in March and doesn't believe they will give him big money. I hope he is wrong. That would be a mistake and create another huge whole. Right now we have major needs for a pass rusher DE/OLB, offensive tackle, a corner, another WR to compliment what we have, and more quality at OLB. Add to that if we have a shot at a franchise QB then we take him. I do not like Johnson's showboating and his tweeting, my previous posts make that clear. I do however like Johnson as a player. Right now we have only two recievers on this team worthy of starting in the NFL. We have Johnson and we have Nelson. Caveat that Nelson is a #3 slot receiever. We need to sign Stevie and also sign or draft another top threat. And lets stop talking about #1 and #2 recievers. Most team have two equivalent capable recievers, unless they are lucky enough to have a Pro Bowl guy that is clearly one of the best (Johnson in Detriot for example). We should be able to sign him for a reasonable contract. The league is going to fine him or suspend him. That should get his attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Stevie and Brad Smith both had huge misses. with all the drops Fitz was still 66%. 3rd and 11 and the defense offers that kind of pressure? Bill's defense gives all challengers a chance at a career day. Bye George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 haven't read the 15 pages of this thread but one simple fact: SJ dropped what looked like a sure TD pass on final drive. If SJ wants to be a top receiver in this league he can not drop key TD passes see Pitt last year and one yesterday. This. SJ has the potential to be a quality WR in this league for a long time. The difference between the quality and the "equality" is that the quality come through in the clutch. So what's it gonna be, Stevie? SJ's celebration was silly and hurt the team, but no more than a handful of other stupid penalties. It's the sort of poor judgement/taste he should correct, but it's being way overblown. The damage was compounded by the stupid decision to call a squib kick that is NOT Johnson's fault, it's on our coaches. Plaxico got all the payback he needed (and showed SJ up) with a TD on the Jets next drive and an amazing, clutch, one handed sideline grab. "Let me show ya how it's done - BOY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Johnson is an !@#$ and acts like a spoiled child. And if he was on an opposing team and did those things the same people defending him now would be reaming him. That being said, he is a very good #2 receiver who chokes on the big plays. He owned Revis all game yesterday and that simply does not happen. They should pay him what he is worth, but I'm sure Johnson will think he is worth more. So let him hit the FA market and test the waters then sign him to a reasonable contract. With his antics and the way he drops the big ones its not like teams will be lining up to offer him #1 WR money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I hope he is wrong. That would be a mistake and create another huge whole. Right now we have major needs for a pass rusher DE/OLB, offensive tackle, a corner, another WR to compliment what we have, and more quality at OLB. Add to that if we have a shot at a franchise QB then we take him. I do not like Johnson's showboating and his tweeting, my previous posts make that clear. I do however like Johnson as a player. Right now we have only two recievers on this team worthy of starting in the NFL. We have Johnson and we have Nelson. Caveat that Nelson is a #3 slot receiever. We need to sign Stevie and also sign or draft another top threat. And lets stop talking about #1 and #2 recievers. Most team have two equivalent capable recievers, unless they are lucky enough to have a Pro Bowl guy that is clearly one of the best (Johnson in Detriot for example). We should be able to sign him for a reasonable contract. The league is going to fine him or suspend him. That should get his attention. LIke it got his attention to be fined after the "WSS?" thing last year? And I've already seen a twitter from Merriman offering to pay half the fine. I have no inside knowledge and could be off-base, but I think Chan has taken a "hands off" approach to Johnson's shenanigans, reasoning he'll grow up on his own and you don't want to squelch a good thing. I think what will settle him down is having the "this is too much, it stops NOW" talk with his coach, plus a session in the film room to see what he could be (Plaxico) and what he did (the drop - I don't think he realizes how catchable that was). What would settle him down most is to have quality competition at the WR spot next year. I'm not reading all 14 pages here, so I have to ask: has anyone noted that on the final two plays of the game where he was targeted -- the two plays when it should be most difficult to get open in the end zone -- Stevie Johnson was wide open and would have scored if the passes had been on target? He has his flaws, certainly, but he"s a great route runner and would start for just about every team in the league. Why oh why would the Bills let him walk? As Adam mentions above, look at McGahee. If we had kept him instead of trading him for a couple of ultimately worthless third rounders, he would in the backfield along with Fred Jackson, Spiller and Lynch would have been drafted by other teams, and the Bills would presumably have two other first rounders on the squad at positions of real need. I get that people are turned off by his antics. But the man can play. Forget the eight receptions for a second -- just think about hoow frequently he got open against a very good secondary. PS: He wouldn't have scored on the pass he dropped. He would have gotten to the 12 or 13. There are no excuses for the drop, but he did atone for his error by getting open twice for TD opportunities on two of the game's final three plays. Dave, it's not enough to be wide open when your QB is under heavy pressure. You need to be on the same page with the QB, and open quickly enough. Not intending to diss on SJ, just to point out from a rational perspective, we can't say "he was wide open and Fitz's passes were off". Something was off, that's all we can say. Also, if he had caught the drop and gotten to the 12 or 13, that would have been huge for Fitz, by shortening the time frame in which the receivers were open and shortening the throw (improved accuracy, higher percentage pass). It would also have opened other play possibilities. So no, getting open on a lower percentage throw that puts your QB under pressure for longer, forcing him to throw on the run, does not atone for dropping a critical pass that could have put you deep in the red zone. That said I agree, the man can play, and we should make every reasonable effort to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 What worries me is the repetition of mistakes. This was his second big drop and third (?) celebration penalty. If you go back on close games, the play has gone his way consistently but rarely has it turned out well. I know cincy was a rough call, and fitz threw an ugly ball in NY but both those could have been oh so different. I want him here but it's getting old to start Monday with Stevie threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I would have liked Nelson to be the one running that deep corner route at the end of the game instead of Brad Smith. He played good but is clearly awkward in positions like that when he has to go up for a ball. C'est la vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Could care less about celebration. Falling to the ground during it, is an automatic 15 yrs. You just can't do that to your defense in a close game. Stevie is good, but not great. He had a chance to win the game for his team and whiffed 3 out of 3 times. The pass to plexico was horrible too, but the wr made the acrobatic catch. Holmes got wide open in the end zone to and caught the td. Stevie is a good wr and I hope he stays around, but he is not the wr that wins you football games in the clutch. Bills need one of those to become a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Deadspin has named him "Stevie Blunder". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Dave, it's not enough to be wide open when your QB is under heavy pressure. You need to be on the same page with the QB, and open quickly enough. Not intending to diss on SJ, just to point out from a rational perspective, we can't say "he was wide open and Fitz's passes were off". Something was off, that's all we can say. Also, if he had caught the drop and gotten to the 12 or 13, that would have been huge for Fitz, by shortening the time frame in which the receivers were open and shortening the throw (improved accuracy, higher percentage pass). It would also have opened other play possibilities. So no, getting open on a lower percentage throw that puts your QB under pressure for longer, forcing him to throw on the run, does not atone for dropping a critical pass that could have put you deep in the red zone. That said I agree, the man can play, and we should make every reasonable effort to sign him. I'm not saying the drop wasn't a bad play - it certainly was. But it's tough to get open when everyone assumes you're the target for the game winner, and he did it twice. He's not a good route runner - he's a great route runner. It would be sad if the Bills let him walk, but I won't be surprised if they do. It would be par for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I would have liked Nelson to be the one running that deep corner route at the end of the game instead of Brad Smith. He played good but is clearly awkward in positions like that when he has to go up for a ball. C'est la vie. ... Smith's athletic ability and heads up play got us a touchdown earlier in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 ... Smith's athletic ability and heads up play got us a touchdown earlier in the game. I hope that they keep Smith in at the #2. I think he's got a legit shot at nailing down the job for the long term. The guy's got long arms like Burress which really helps out a QB in keeping the ball out of harms way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 The drop was terrible then fitz misses him wide open in end zone Exactly, everyone is blaming Johnson, and deservedly so, but he didn't lose it by himself. Fitz missed him wide open in the endzone, would have been the game winner. The defense dropped 2 or 3 interceptions that hit their hands. The offensive line had numerous stupid, just killer penalties that hurt badly. C.J. danced more than anyone that has been on Dancing With the Stars (as usual), the run defense was invisible (to be expected), and I could go on and on. Am I fed up with Stevie, yes and I have been since that crap last year in Cincy, then the loss against Pittsburgh, but this is a bad with bad players, but people find one scapegoat each week, usually to protect the Amish popgun from criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 1 penalty and 1 dropped ball erase an amazing day against the NFL's "best CB". Very unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 You just compared Johnson to Rice and are questioning the intelligence of anyone? Wow, you just answered your own level of intelligence for me with that reply. I did not compare Johnson to Rice anywhere in that statement. I was just merely stating that Jerry Rice, believe it or not, did drop passes in his HOF career. Kinda like Brady, Montana, Manning etc actually throw INTs too. There is not one invincible player in any sport period. Why is this so hard for some to understand???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I wouldn't call 8 catches for 75 yards and 1 touchdown an amazing day. 8 catches for 150 or 200 yards and 2 or 3 touchdowns would be amazing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 You know what makes me sick today - the drop / bad call on the throw to Stevie that would have beat Cinci and the drop yesterday. Hmmm, the Jets and Cinci with losses and the Bills with 2 more wins - oh how the season can turn so quickly. Once again, the what ifs linger throughout another season without playoffs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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