aussiebills Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I no i am being picky, but i value tradition, and isnt the Buffalo Bills #83 jersey, reserved for unless they are the focal point of the offense, i just think that since Martin wont even get onto the field why give him a number with such history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Is it possible that Martin might be one of the first to go to make room for a backup O-lineman who we should pick up from other teams' cuts? Perhaps Martin's hold of 83 might be very temporary. If Ruvell really brings it then it's just a pleasant surprise for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It's a number. Nothing more. Not worth losing sleep over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Until it's retired it should be fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 With the NFL's willingness to allow WRs to wear numbers in the teens more frequently there's really no reason to continue giving out #83. it is just a number but it has been issued almost continuously since Andre Reed was released (Dave Moore started wearing it in 2002 and right up until Lee Evans was drafted) and it is an unnecessary slap in the face to Reed. At least that's how he's taken it publicly, and it's foolish to upset the team's greatest goodwill ambassadors, especially in such dark times for the franchise where current players are speaking out about being disrespected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I am afraid the number 83 will be kept in circulation for two reasons. Â 1. Andre Reed wasn't drafted or picked up off of waivers by this staff. Â 2. Ralph probably doesn't remember Reed. Â So the number stays. Besides, Reed was so many years ago. who really remembers him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copernicus137 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Until it's retired it should be fair game. Â 12 is the only retired number. Should 34 and 78 be fair game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 12 is the only retired number. Should 34 and 78 be fair game? That depends on if Ralph remembers them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I'd say let Reed make the HOF before they talk about retiring his number. Until it's retired, it's fair game. Who really gives a crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I'd say let Reed make the HOF before they talk about retiring his number. Until it's retired, it's fair game. Who really gives a crap? I agree. Besides, if you put the letter G in front of Reed, what does that spell? Ralph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 12 is the only retired number. Should 34 and 78 be fair game? Â Yup. Â If they should be off limits, retire them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) I no i am being picky, but i value tradition, and isnt the Buffalo Bills #83 jersey, reserved for unless they are the focal point of the offense, i just think that since Martin wont even get onto the field why give him a number with such history History? Let's see: 83 Harrison (Hatch) Rosdahl, Bobby Crockett, Clyde Glossen, Bob Christiansen, Sherman White, Preston Dennard, Andre Reed, Dave Moore, Lee Evans  Other than the great Andre Reed, I don't see anyone else worthy. Evans was OK but still a career loser, and I was never much of a Sherman White fan. Edited September 4, 2011 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Yup. Â If they should be off limits, retire them. Â I'd prefer if they'd just retire the numbers outright, but the NFL typically frowns on official number retirements. As it is, the Bills have publicly stated that 34, 78 and 32 are no longer issued "out of respect" for Thurman, Bruce and OJ. By continuing to issue 83 it subtly implies a lack of respect for Andre Reed, regardless of whether or not it's true--- I don't think the Bills organization has any ill will or disrespect for him, fwiw, but it sends that message and Reed has commented on it from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 History? Let's see: 83 Harrison (Hatch) Rosdahl, Bobby Crockett, Clyde Glossen, Bob Christiansen, Sherman White, Preston Dennard, Andre Reed, Dave Moore, Lee Evans  Other than the great Andre Reed, I don't see anyone else worthy. Evans was OK but still a career loser, and I was never much of a Sherman White fan. Evans and Reed have the exact same number of Super Bowl rings. So why is Evans the career loser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Evans and Reed have the exact same number of Super Bowl rings. So why is Evans the career loser? You're comparing Andre Reed to Lee Evans. Listen to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I am afraid the number 83 will be kept in circulation for two reasons. Â 1. Andre Reed wasn't drafted or picked up off of waivers by this staff. Â 2. Ralph probably doesn't remember Reed. Â So the number stays. Besides, Reed was so many years ago. who really remembers him? anyone who doesn't remember Andre isn't much of a fan...I can understand not having gotten to see him play live, but he was such a big part of a great era of Bills football, no Bills fan can ignore it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) Evans and Reed have the exact same number of Super Bowl rings. So why is Evans the career loser? Did you miss the past 7 years? Edited September 4, 2011 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoretalk Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 12 is the only retired number. Should 34 and 78 be fair game? It is time to retire both of those numbers and 15 in honor of the only quarterback who led us to two championships! Having four numbers retired is reasonable and a tribute to Thurman, BRUUUUUUUUUUUUCE, and Jack! Â As for 83 ... I saw it as a slap in Evans' face because of the poor value we received in the trade for him but in no way was this a slap at Andre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) Were you in a coma the past 7 years? I must have been in a coma when Andre Reed led the Bills to hoisting a Lombardi Trophy. I am not even coming close to saying Lee Evans was as good of a Bills WR as Andre Reed was. Not stupid. My point is that someone called Lee Evans a career loser. What defines a winner? Being part of a team with a winning record, or being part of a Super Bowl champion team? Edited September 4, 2011 by gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkndjohn2 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I think we've lost the point of the topic. Why is Ruvell Martin even still on the team?!?!? Namaan R. showed more promise. Ruvell had 3 dropped passes in his tryout preseason game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It's a number. Nothing more. Not worth losing sleep over. Â CodeMonkey, just curious: what's the first year you watched Bills games regularly? Â I agree. Besides, if you put the letter G in front of Reed, what does that spell? Ralph! Â LOL! Now that's funny! Â 12 is the only retired number. Should 34 and 78 be fair game? Â IMO Bills should retire all 3 #, 34 78 83. But that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Wow. I can't believe that there's actually a discussion going on about this. I don't even think Evans OR Martin are good enough to hold Reed's jockstrap. -That's just me. Sure, I agree that there are no longer any sacred cows, but perhaps that's the problem. Just seems like a lot of disrespect to our old standard-bearers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I think we've lost the point of the topic. Why is Ruvell Martin even still on the team?!?!? Namaan R. showed more promise. Ruvell had 3 dropped passes in his tryout preseason game! Â Perhaps coaches look at more than just those 3 plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I must have been in a coma when Andre Reed led the Bills to hoisting a Lombardi Trophy. I am not even coming close to saying Lee Evans was as good of a Bills WR as Andre Reed was. Not stupid. My point is that someone called Lee Evans a career loser. What defines a winner? Being part of a team with a winning record, or being part of a Super Bowl champion team? Â Andre Reed was fearless and wasn't afraid to go over the middle and make the tough catches, taking maximum punishment for doing so. Evans wouldn't even attempt to catch a pass over the middle in traffic with the free saftey coming over to lower the boom. Andre wore a jockstrap. Evans wears panties. nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 You're comparing Andre Reed to Lee Evans. Listen to yourself. Â The ONLY thing they had in common was the number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altruisticbillsfan Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 83 needs to be retired and along with 34, 78, and 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Changed to #82 per Buffalo Bills twitter...happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Ruvel Martin to wear number 82. https://twitter.com/#!/buffalobills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 83 needs to be retired and along with 34, 78, and 15. Todd Collins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Tempest in a teapot...but what else is a MB good for. Â As the 'Snooze reported: Â "...It's hard to avoid giving out all the numbers in the 80s. Tight ends and wideouts can wear 80s. Tight ends also can wear 40s, but so can linebackers and defensive backs. Wideouts also can wear numbers in the teens. But the Bills have all the numbers in the teens given out, except for No. 12, which is retired. All the numbers in the 80s are taken. All but one in the 40s is taken. Once the cuts are made, lots of numbers open up. The Bills should pay respect to Andre Reed and not hand his number out after the final cuts...." Â And indeed they have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Martin is 6'4" and 220 lbs - a big target. Although Chan likes Roscoe, he does seem to generally prefer big targets.  While many of us wanted Naaman to make the squad, Martin got the last wideout slot and could be a competent role player for us.  From Chris Brown:  "Known as a solid route runner, Martin often uses his size and length to make plays on the ball and is adept at coming down with the ball in traffic. Though he does not have elite speed he has shown an ability to get behind defenses as evidenced by his career average of 15.5 yards per catch."  http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-sign-WR-Martin/7fe6830b-7f02-419b-b00e-24e84393063c  From Brewcity Cheesehead:  "Ruvell Martin used to be with the Packers a couple years ago (2008 was his last year here I think) and I'm not sure where he's been the last couple years... He's a reliable receiver, not going to blow anyone away with his speed, but he has good size and good hands. The Packers used him in their 5WR sets which they used quite often when he was around. Aaron Rodgers always used to joke that Martin was his favorite target when most of their practice reps were on the scout team as backups. The Packers cut him in 2009 in favor of Brett Swain who is probably a worse receiver, but was better on special teams. The cut was one of the surprise cuts that no one expected, as he contributed to the team quite a bit and was well liked."  http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/133585-ruvell-martin-wr/page__st__20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Ruvel Martin to wear number 82. https://twitter.com/#!/buffalobills What number will Caussin wear, then? Â Speaking about the topic [ahem], In the last game, Ruvell Martin had an excellent ST play, and by my game notes, had 5 pluses and 3 minuses at WR (my very sophisticated rating system). Â Kamar Aiken had 4 pluses and 2 minuses, Buster Davis had 4 pluses and 2 minuses. Marcus Easley had 1 plus and 3 minuses, one of which was poor downfield blocking. Edited September 5, 2011 by Astrobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 What number will Caussin wear, then? Â Caussin was cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Martin is 6'4" and 220 lbs - a big target. Although Chan likes Roscoe, he does seem to generally prefer big targets.  While many of us wanted Naaman to make the squad, Martin got the last wideout slot and could be a competent role player for us.  From Chris Brown:  "Known as a solid route runner, Martin often uses his size and length to make plays on the ball and is adept at coming down with the ball in traffic. Though he does not have elite speed he has shown an ability to get behind defenses as evidenced by his career average of 15.5 yards per catch."  http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-sign-WR-Martin/7fe6830b-7f02-419b-b00e-24e84393063c  From Brewcity Cheesehead:  "Ruvell Martin used to be with the Packers a couple years ago (2008 was his last year here I think) and I'm not sure where he's been the last couple years... He's a reliable receiver, not going to blow anyone away with his speed, but he has good size and good hands. The Packers used him in their 5WR sets which they used quite often when he was around. Aaron Rodgers always used to joke that Martin was his favorite target when most of their practice reps were on the scout team as backups. The Packers cut him in 2009 in favor of Brett Swain who is probably a worse receiver, but was better on special teams. The cut was one of the surprise cuts that no one expected, as he contributed to the team quite a bit and was well liked."  http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/133585-ruvell-martin-wr/page__st__20 and last week, Swain was waived by the Packers. Bills 1, Pack 0.  Caussin was cut Then added to the practice squad. WR Kamar Aiken QB Levi Brown TE Mike Caussin DE Lionel Dotson NT Michael Jasper DB Joshua Nesbitt C Michael Switzer Don't you get a number on the PS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 82 has always been the number Martin likes. BTW nice WBXIII story here: http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/columbian-vancouver-wash/mi_8100/is_20050612/kittner-leads-amsterdam-admirals-bowl/ai_n51309143/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I no i am being picky, but i value tradition, and isnt the Buffalo Bills #83 jersey, reserved for unless they are the focal point of the offense, i just think that since Martin wont even get onto the field why give him a number with such history  After Reed, number 83 has been worn by Dave Moore, Lee Evans, and Ruvell Martin.  TE Dave Moore wore it from 2002 and 2003 WR Lee Evans wore it from 2004 thru 2010. WR Ruvell Martin 2011 till ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 and last week, Swain was waived by the Packers. Bills 1, Pack 0. Â Â Then added to the practice squad. WR Kamar Aiken QB Levi Brown TE Mike Caussin DE Lionel Dotson NT Michael Jasper DB Joshua Nesbitt C Michael Switzer Don't you get a number on the PS? Â I was under the belief that they didnt get #'s on the PS. Not sure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Kachy Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 They shouldn't retire any numbers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Flowers Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I no i am being picky, but i value tradition, and isnt the Buffalo Bills #83 jersey, reserved for unless they are the focal point of the offense, i just think that since Martin wont even get onto the field why give him a number with such history Doesn't look like this will be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Guess Martin won't be wearing any number now....just got cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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