UFO Found on Ocean Floor?

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Can't wait to feel that super gravity...

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

LAMP

my company built that satellite 

? 

[4merper4mer]

14 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

These discoveries are definitely among the coolest things man has ever done but they are equal parts brilliant and depressing.  

 

Before we discovered any of these planets, math had established that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.  This data is filling in some of the missing pieces as to why.  We needed to discover them and probably need to keep going for a bit longer but the picture that is being painted is bleak.  None of these solar systems are remotely similar to ours.  Ours, with its giant planets in the outer system and its small rocky planets inside is quite the anomaly.  Earth itself is quite unique when compared to these "super earths" which are clearly given that name as some sort of marketing ploy.  Do the conditions on that planet sounded at all like Earth?  Is it tidally locked?

 

For my money we have discovered enough solar systems to detect a trend although I can see arguments otherwise.  To me, if we are going to spend research dollars they should go toward propulsion systems capable of extra-solar travel.  These telescopes are looking for destinations and finding none.  Why propel if there is no place to go?  The more we look, the more it will damage our collective psyche and with it our will to explore.  Our destiny in this universe is becoming obvious, but it has many many steps necessary to reach its goal.  Most of these steps need to be taken without our direct involvement, although we must initiate them.    

 

I am in no way denigrating the fantastic scientists that came up with these ideas for exploration.  They did an amazing job.  Because their discoveries have not been what we would have hoped is no reason to criticize them.  Truth is truth, whether it is glorious or stark.   It is time to adapt to stark reality.  The combination of propulsion, AI and genetic distribution is our avenue to survival.  An arrogant stoner like Elon Musk who wants to walk on Mars because he thinks he is special is ultimately hindering our capabilities, not helping them.  The telescopes, while amazing are rapidly approaching the end of their marginal utility.  

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

 

These discoveries are definitely among the coolest things man has ever done but they are equal parts brilliant and depressing.  

 

Before we discovered any of these planets, math had established that we are the only intelligent life in the universe...

 

I'll do you one better... 

 

Kepler was launched 10 years ago -- prior to its launch and subsequent work discovering exoplanets by the bundle -- the belief was that rocky planets were rare. Kepler disproved that and changed the equation for astrophysicists. The common belief went from "rocky planets are rare" to "rocky planets are more common than thought of but rocky planets with water are extraordinarily rare."

 

Five years into Kepler's work -- 2012/2013 range -- over 4,000 exoplanets had been discovered (not all by Kepler) and astronomers estimated that forty billion rocky, Earth sized exoplanets orbiting in the habitable zones of red dwarf or sun-like stars within just the Milky Way alone. Yet, water was still generally considered to be rare within the universe, let alone on such planets. 

 

Just three years ago, after numerous discoveries regarding Mars, comets and deep space exploration with ever improving telescopes and technology, the same models are being reworked to depict a universe and galaxy lush with liquid water. Not just on far away exoplanets in habitable zones, but right here in our own solar system on Mars and Titan. So much has changed with regards to the discovery of water that scientists now think water planets might be a dime a dozen. 

 

That's a massive swing in hypothesis and analysis in just a decade. We've moved from:

 

*Rocky planets are likely rare

to

* Rocky planets are common but water is rare, let alone water on rocky worlds.

to

* Water is common in the universe, water planets are likely exceedingly common

 

And the James Webb telescope has yet to launch... (March 2021 supposedly) 

 

The math equation changes as more variables become known. The elements and building block for life which were once thought to be rare are now known to be abundant not just in our cosmic neighborhood, but in our own backyard... Imagine what we'll know tomorrow.   

[LeGOATski]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-oscars-clapping-FdQ32eHgao3T2

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I'll do you one better... 

 

Kepler was launched 10 years ago -- prior to its launch and subsequent work discovering exoplanets by the bundle -- the belief was that rocky planets were rare. Kepler disproved that and changed the equation for astrophysicists. The common belief went from "rocky planets are rare" to "rocky planets are more common than thought of but rocky planets with water are extraordinarily rare."

 

Five years into Kepler's work -- 2012/2013 range -- over 4,000 exoplanets had been discovered (not all by Kepler) and astronomers estimated that forty billion rocky, Earth sized exoplanets orbiting in the habitable zones of red dwarf or sun-like stars within just the Milky Way alone. Yet, water was still generally considered to be rare within the universe, let alone on such planets. 

 

Just three years ago, after numerous discoveries regarding Mars, comets and deep space exploration with ever improving telescopes and technology, the same models are being reworked to depict a universe and galaxy lush with liquid water. Not just on far away exoplanets in habitable zones, but right here in our own solar system on Mars and Titan. So much has changed with regards to the discovery of water that scientists now think water planets might be a dime a dozen. 

 

That's a massive swing in hypothesis and analysis in just a decade. We've moved from:

 

*Rocky planets are likely rare

to

* Rocky planets are common but water is rare, let alone water on rocky worlds.

to

* Water is common in the universe, water planets are likely exceedingly common

 

And the James Webb telescope has yet to launch... (March 2021 supposedly) 

 

The math equation changes as more variables become known. The elements and building block for life which were once thought to be rare are now known to be abundant not just in our cosmic neighborhood, but in our own backyard... Imagine what we'll know tomorrow.   

There is no question that we are finding not only many interesting things but many questions about how much further we should look. Despite your spin implying intelligent life has become more likely it simply hasn't.  Sitcom math still rules the day as trillions of signals have been collected with a grand total of zero coming from life.  

 

We've discovered that our protected Earth and the Solar System in which it resides are, so far, completely unique with nothing close to them being observed.  We know far more now than when Kepler was launched about the collision that created the Earth and Moon's dance and how critical that is to life thriving.  There are thousands upon thousands of other factors that make Earth what it is and math shows these factors are singular.

 

The question...really the only one that matters.....is whether we have the resolve to stop searching the skies for extraterrestrial heroes that simply do not exist and instead apply our knowledge towards preserving ourselves.  The story of Noah and the wisdom and insight of Von Neumann show the way.  The arrogance of people like Musk and Branson is wasting our time.  Humans, once born on Earth should really stay in this neighborhood.  

[Patrick Duffy]

7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I'll do you one better... 

 

Kepler was launched 10 years ago -- prior to its launch and subsequent work discovering exoplanets by the bundle -- the belief was that rocky planets were rare. Kepler disproved that and changed the equation for astrophysicists. The common belief went from "rocky planets are rare" to "rocky planets are more common than thought of but rocky planets with water are extraordinarily rare."

 

Five years into Kepler's work -- 2012/2013 range -- over 4,000 exoplanets had been discovered (not all by Kepler) and astronomers estimated that forty billion rocky, Earth sized exoplanets orbiting in the habitable zones of red dwarf or sun-like stars within just the Milky Way alone. Yet, water was still generally considered to be rare within the universe, let alone on such planets. 

 

Just three years ago, after numerous discoveries regarding Mars, comets and deep space exploration with ever improving telescopes and technology, the same models are being reworked to depict a universe and galaxy lush with liquid water. Not just on far away exoplanets in habitable zones, but right here in our own solar system on Mars and Titan. So much has changed with regards to the discovery of water that scientists now think water planets might be a dime a dozen. 

 

That's a massive swing in hypothesis and analysis in just a decade. We've moved from:

 

*Rocky planets are likely rare

to

* Rocky planets are common but water is rare, let alone water on rocky worlds.

to

* Water is common in the universe, water planets are likely exceedingly common

 

And the James Webb telescope has yet to launch... (March 2021 supposedly) 

 

The math equation changes as more variables become known. The elements and building block for life which were once thought to be rare are now known to be abundant not just in our cosmic neighborhood, but in our own backyard... Imagine what we'll know tomorrow.   

 

Good post and very true. Tis why those calculations are limited and prove nothing. In the future they could find all sorts of interesting stuff on one of these planets they keep finding and maybe life of some sort. Very interesting read. Thanks

Edited August 4, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

There is no question that we are finding not only many interesting things but many questions about how much further we should look. Despite your spin implying intelligent life has become more likely it simply hasn't.  Sitcom math still rules the day as trillions of signals have been collected with a grand total of zero coming from life.  

 

We've discovered that our protected Earth and the Solar System in which it resides are, so far, completely unique with nothing close to them being observed.  We know far more now than when Kepler was launched about the collision that created the Earth and Moon's dance and how critical that is to life thriving.  There are thousands upon thousands of other factors that make Earth what it is and math shows these factors are singular.

 

The question...really the only one that matters.....is whether we have the resolve to stop searching the skies for extraterrestrial heroes that simply do not exist and instead apply our knowledge towards preserving ourselves.  The story of Noah and the wisdom and insight of Von Neumann show the way.  The arrogance of people like Musk and Branson is wasting our time.  Humans, once born on Earth should really stay in this neighborhood.  

Rhino's post shows why they should continue to search and need to be doing both: identifying a habitable planet and developing an efficient way to get there.

 

P.S. - "Noah" was likely a member of a civilization with technology far more advanced than what we currently have. He was able to construct a ship that held two of every animal on his planet and was able to propel that massive ship. Granted, it probably wasn't every animal, or he simply acquired DNA samples for many species. I say "his planet" because he likely was not on Earth originally. As his planet was dying, he fled into space without knowing where he would land. Along the way he identified what we now know as Earth. The dove with the olive branch was likely a metaphor for the drone he sent to nearby planets in order to collect samples before he landed there. Sensor readings from a distance would only tell him so much, after all. He landed, let the animals loose, used the ship for scraps as he had no way of keeping it powered or getting off the planet again, and he and his family eventually died without successfully passing on much technical knowledge to indigenous Earthlings, because there was no way to even use it in that primitive time. Noah and his family would've learned more from the Earthlings than the Earthlings would from them.

 

This was all adapted into a story that primitive Earth people could understand ....obviously.

 

Furthermore, I propose that Noah's planet died from being consumed by its parent star. "Flooded" with fire, not water. His ship likely used solar wind to travel. But how would he explain this to primitive Earthlings? He had to describe it like floating/riding on a liquid. Therefore, the story became that the planet was flooded with water and Noah's ark rode its waves on a boat until it hit land.

 

[Foxx]

9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

These discoveries are definitely among the coolest things man has ever done but they are equal parts brilliant and depressing.  

 

Before we discovered any of these planets, math had established that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.  This data is filling in some of the missing pieces as to why.  We needed to discover them and probably need to keep going for a bit longer but the picture that is being painted is bleak.  None of these solar systems are remotely similar to ours.  Ours, with its giant planets in the outer system and its small rocky planets inside is quite the anomaly.  Earth itself is quite unique when compared to these "super earths" which are clearly given that name as some sort of marketing ploy.  Do the conditions on that planet sounded at all like Earth?  Is it tidally locked?

 

For my money we have discovered enough solar systems to detect a trend although I can see arguments otherwise.  To me, if we are going to spend research dollars they should go toward propulsion systems capable of extra-solar travel.  These telescopes are looking for destinations and finding none.  Why propel if there is no place to go?  The more we look, the more it will damage our collective psyche and with it our will to explore.  Our destiny in this universe is becoming obvious, but it has many many steps necessary to reach its goal.  Most of these steps need to be taken without our direct involvement, although we must initiate them.    

 

I am in no way denigrating the fantastic scientists that came up with these ideas for exploration.  They did an amazing job.  Because their discoveries have not been what we would have hoped is no reason to criticize them.  Truth is truth, whether it is glorious or stark.   It is time to adapt to stark reality.  The combination of propulsion, AI and genetic distribution is our avenue to survival.  An arrogant stoner like Elon Musk who wants to walk on Mars because he thinks he is special is ultimately hindering our capabilities, not helping them.  The telescopes, while amazing are rapidly approaching the end of their marginal utility.  

au contraire my friend, freezie pops.

 

Earth is a very young planet. ever wonder why the continents look like puzzle pieces that fit together? because at one time, they did... back when the Earth was very tiny (in celestial terms of course). dinosaurs roamed the Earth when it was smaller than it is now, the lessor gravity of a smaller sphere allowed for larger mammals back then. man is progressively getting shorter and shorter... because the Earth is ever expanding thanks to the plasma core. 

 

just think, some day in the distant future we will be as mighty as ants on a planet as large as Jupiter.

now you know why we can't detect intelligent alien life signals, because we are looking in all the wrong places....

 

 

?

[LeGOATski]

22 minutes ago, Foxx said:

au contraire my friend, freezie pops.

 

Earth is a very young planet. ever wonder why the continents look like puzzle pieces that fit together? because at one time, they did... back when the Earth was very tiny (in celestial terms of course). dinosaurs roamed the Earth when it was smaller than it is now, the lessor gravity of a smaller sphere allowed for larger mammals back then. man is progressively getting shorter and shorter... because the Earth is ever expanding thanks to the plasma core. 

 

just think, some day in the distant future we will be as mighty as ants on a planet as large as Jupiter.

now you know why we can't detect intelligent alien life signals, because we are looking in all the wrong places....

 

 

?

[Warcodered]

8 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

There is no question that we are finding not only many interesting things but many questions about how much further we should look. Despite your spin implying intelligent life has become more likely it simply hasn't.  Sitcom math still rules the day as trillions of signals have been collected with a grand total of zero coming from life.  

 

We've discovered that our protected Earth and the Solar System in which it resides are, so far, completely unique with nothing close to them being observed.  We know far more now than when Kepler was launched about the collision that created the Earth and Moon's dance and how critical that is to life thriving.  There are thousands upon thousands of other factors that make Earth what it is and math shows these factors are singular.

 

The question...really the only one that matters.....is whether we have the resolve to stop searching the skies for extraterrestrial heroes that simply do not exist and instead apply our knowledge towards preserving ourselves.  The story of Noah and the wisdom and insight of Von Neumann show the way.  The arrogance of people like Musk and Branson is wasting our time.  Humans, once born on Earth should really stay in this neighborhood.  

So what you're telling me is that all your math is based on the assumption that Alien intelligent life would communicate in the same way we do?

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

So what you're telling me is that all your math is based on the assumption that Alien intelligent life would communicate in the same way we do?

Add: logic and common sense

Subtract: wishful thinking

Realize: the contradiction of your implication

[Hedge]

 

 

Full video below (if you want to see it):

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[4merper4mer]

8 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

 

Full video below (if you want to see it):

 

Evidently there isn't much math in your typical journalism curriculum.

[Hedge]

This is well worth the read.

 

Edited August 6, 2019 by Hedge

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I think this guy came up for air 

 

 

On 8/5/2019 at 11:03 AM, 4merper4mer said:

Evidently there isn't much math in your typical journalism curriculum.

and because of it 

 

on Twitter on Wednesday, Tucker Carlson announced that he would be taking some time off from his broadcast

Edited August 8, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[LeGOATski]

19 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I think this guy came up for air 

 

 

 Chupacabra?

[4merper4mer]

Any updates on this?

[Augie]

On 8/5/2019 at 2:41 AM, Hedge said:

 

 

Full video below (if you want to see it):

 

Did he start with “Hear me out!”? 

[LeGOATski]

30 minutes ago, Augie said:

Did he start with “Hear me out!”? 

He definitely said that line at some point within the speech.

 

It was a big word-vomit.

[Nextmanup]

Had breakfast next to this guy and his family some years ago at a popular diner joint in Old Town, Alexandria.

 

He was not wearing a bow tie.

 

 

[Fan in San Diego]

Oh, I thought Tucker was an alien?

[Foxx]

the infamous Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs from the Brookings' Institute

 

the Brookings' Report Wiki

 

the US House of Representatives reprint of the actual study.

 

roughly a two page excerpt on, "the implications of a discovery of extraterrestrial life"

 

a Medium post on the the Brookings’ Report

Edited August 11, 2019 by Foxx

[LeGOATski]

11 hours ago, Foxx said:

the infamous Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs from the Brookings' Institute

 

the Brookings' Report Wiki

 

the US House of Representatives reprint of the actual study.

 

roughly a two page excerpt on, "the implications of a discovery of extraterrestrial life"

 

a Medium post on the the Brookings’ Report

That Medium article is interesting as I apply it's assertions to the Tucker speech. He represents the convergence of the conservative right and UFOlogist conspiracy theorists. We're reaching that point. Left wing conspiracy theorists are probably converging as well.

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

That Medium article is interesting as I apply it's assertions to the Tucker speech. He represents the convergence of the conservative right and UFOlogist conspiracy theorists. We're reaching that point. Left wing conspiracy theorists are probably converging as well.

The realization that we are alone would probably also be withheld from the public as governments tend to think of themselves as somehow superior.  

 

Here's the thing though:. You always have rogues in there somewhere.  If we had discovered aliens someone would have found a way to disclose it.  Realizing we are alone is harder though.  People, even very bright people, will grasp at straws forever.  This is demonstrated every day by the existence of so many endeavors people take on that are the proverbial needle in a haystack.  It can lead one to ignore the obvious.

 

The ultimate destiny of the human race has yet to be determined but the proper direction is relatively clear.  It begins in realizing that we, as a species, are clearly alone and that we, as individuals, are not going anywhere beyond our immediate neighborhood.  And we need to be ok with that because it is ok.

 

Once these realizations are truly made we can indeed move on to initiate the fulfillment this destiny.  Or we can put the future of our place in the universe at risk by diddling around looking for non-existent aliens and fooling ourselves into thinking that putting humans into space on a mass scale will ever make any sense when clearly it won't.  It's our choice.

[Deranged Rhino]

6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

That Medium article is interesting as I apply it's assertions to the Tucker speech. He represents the convergence of the conservative right and UFOlogist conspiracy theorists. We're reaching that point. Left wing conspiracy theorists are probably converging as well.

 

100% -- the question which should be asked, imo, is why now? What's changed? We've had roughly 72 years of slow drip, drip, drip on this topic from our government -- but only within the past two years has there been open acknowledgement that the phenomenon is real by the same federal government. When the USN made their announcement last year about the tic-tac craft and secret programs to investigate UAPs, it was met with "well duh" by the media and general population. Had that same information been released in 2014, 2010, or even 2000 the reaction likely would have been more shock and wow than well duh... 

 

Suddenly the MO of the USN (who has controlled this information longer than any other branch of the military) did a complete 180 on this topic, releasing video evidence of advanced craft and acknowledging legit programs designed to investigate the phenomenon dating back over 20 years (and we know it's even longer than that from open source documents obtained through FOIA over the years). Again, it makes me ask why now? What has changed to make the secret of all secrets suddenly acceptable for mainstream consumption? 

 

I don't have a definitive answer, only speculations.

 

Could it be that the USN/government believes they need to get ahead of this story because of something else lurking just out of sight of the public? Possibly. 

Could it be that the USN/government is ready to roll out new technology, completely human in origin, which is mistaken as UFO? Possibly. 

Could it be that the USN/government have always intended to disclose this information after enough conditioning was done to the public psyche? Possibly. 

Could it be that the USN/government are trying to use a "Blue Beam" type story to distract the public from other revelations coming to light about the government? Possibly.

 

Ultimately what we have happening at this moment in time is a serious push for official government disclosure of the existence of this technology. Technology which completely shatter our perception of aviation, physics, and what's possible when it comes to propulsion. That alone -- ETs aside -- is quite extraordinary when you consider the possibilities that this technology is not only real and in our skies today -- but possibly within our reach as a civilization/people. 

 

Since 2016 I've had 2020-2021 as the most likely window for major bits of disclosure to hit the public consciousness ... we're right on track. 

[4merper4mer]

23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

100% -- the question which should be asked, imo, is why now? What's changed? We've had roughly 72 years of slow drip, drip, drip on this topic from our government -- but only within the past two years has there been open acknowledgement that the phenomenon is real by the same federal government. When the USN made their announcement last year about the tic-tac craft and secret programs to investigate UAPs, it was met with "well duh" by the media and general population. Had that same information been released in 2014, 2010, or even 2000 the reaction likely would have been more shock and wow than well duh... 

 

Suddenly the MO of the USN (who has controlled this information longer than any other branch of the military) did a complete 180 on this topic, releasing video evidence of advanced craft and acknowledging legit programs designed to investigate the phenomenon dating back over 20 years (and we know it's even longer than that from open source documents obtained through FOIA over the years). Again, it makes me ask why now? What has changed to make the secret of all secrets suddenly acceptable for mainstream consumption? 

 

I don't have a definitive answer, only speculations.

 

Could it be that the USN/government believes they need to get ahead of this story because of something else lurking just out of sight of the public? Possibly. 

Could it be that the USN/government is ready to roll out new technology, completely human in origin, which is mistaken as UFO? Possibly. 

Could it be that the USN/government have always intended to disclose this information after enough conditioning was done to the public psyche? Possibly. 

Could it be that the USN/government are trying to use a "Blue Beam" type story to distract the public from other revelations coming to light about the government? Possibly.

 

Ultimately what we have happening at this moment in time is a serious push for official government disclosure of the existence of this technology. Technology which completely shatter our perception of aviation, physics, and what's possible when it comes to propulsion. That alone -- ETs aside -- is quite extraordinary when you consider the possibilities that this technology is not only real and in our skies today -- but possibly within our reach as a civilization/people. 

 

Since 2016 I've had 2020-2021 as the most likely window for major bits of disclosure to hit the public consciousness ... we're right on track. 

It could be a lot of things....with phony on the very top of the list.  One thing it is not.....aliens.  It's simply not and that has been demonstrated over and over again.  

 

We are currently collecting immeasurable amounts of data.  None of it shows anything.  Bunk like Tabby's star and other crap are the BEST evidence that has come up.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2019/03/18/are-we-in-a-galactic-zoo-protected-by-aliens-scientists-meet-to-investigate-the-great-silence/#5c9360791ce7

 

What does the Drake Equation try to do?

A formula to estimate the number of technological civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy, the Drake Equation is an attempt to put the Fermi Paradox into numbers. The Drake Equation was posited in 1961 by Dr. Frank Drake, a radio astronomer at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia.

 

What is the Drake Equation?

OK, don't expect any answers here. The formula below, which comes from the SETI Institute might seem impressive, but it's mostly guesswork. Practically speaking, its purpose is not to find a definitive answer, but to keep the discussion going about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29362/something-big-seems-to-be-going-down-near-area-51-this-weekend

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

speaking of Area 51 

 

 

He got 2 million people to say they’d storm Area 51. Now he’s planning an alien festival.

The call to raid an Air Force base for aliens was a joke, drawing on decades of conspiracy theories. Then 2 million people signed on to the Facebook event. …

Washington Post 

 

 

After 'Storm Area 51' gets 2 million RSVPs, its creator announces an alien-themed music fest

Matty [Roberts] decided to move forward with this event," the website for Alien Stock reads. The festival is set for Sept. 20-22. Attendees should expect a 

[Patrick Duffy]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2019/03/18/are-we-in-a-galactic-zoo-protected-by-aliens-scientists-meet-to-investigate-the-great-silence/#5c9360791ce7

 

What does the Drake Equation try to do?

A formula to estimate the number of technological civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy, the Drake Equation is an attempt to put the Fermi Paradox into numbers. The Drake Equation was posited in 1961 by Dr. Frank Drake, a radio astronomer at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia.

 

What is the Drake Equation?

OK, don't expect any answers here. The formula below, which comes from the SETI Institute might seem impressive, but it's mostly guesswork. Practically speaking, its purpose is not to find a definitive answer, but to keep the discussion going about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

 

Exactly and well put. It means absolutely nothing as I've stated many, many times. Didn't know it was posited all the was back in 1961 lol. So many things change from day to day and this is from over 50 yrs ago lol.

 

Bolded is exactly correct. Bottom line

 

 

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2019/03/18/are-we-in-a-galactic-zoo-protected-by-aliens-scientists-meet-to-investigate-the-great-silence/#5c9360791ce7

 

What does the Drake Equation try to do?

A formula to estimate the number of technological civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy, the Drake Equation is an attempt to put the Fermi Paradox into numbers. The Drake Equation was posited in 1961 by Dr. Frank Drake, a radio astronomer at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia.

 

What is the Drake Equation?

OK, don't expect any answers here. The formula below, which comes from the SETI Institute might seem impressive, but it's mostly guesswork. Practically speaking, its purpose is not to find a definitive answer, but to keep the discussion going about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

 

The 'math' that keeps getting referred to I'm guessing is the Drake Equation, which in itself is a composite of probabilities about communicative intelligent life (ie civilizations that have communicated with us)...that ultimate value is going to be low due primarily to issues of distance and time relating to 'messaging' that our tech would be able to receive and interpret as communications. But the value of f(i) in Drake, that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe regardless of their communication with humans or lack thereof, is almost certainly nonzero.

 

So ultimately regarding communicative intelligent life elsewhere in the universe...for all the skeptics saying there's just us: there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on if you use the lack of communication from other intelligent beings as proof Earth is the only planet w/ intelligent life, because WE don't attempt to communicate with other intelligent life much. We don't spend much time or money on it at all, so why should they? 

[Hedge]

 

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

The 'math' that keeps getting referred to I'm guessing is the Drake Equation, which in itself is a composite of probabilities about communicative intelligent life (ie civilizations that have communicated with us)...that ultimate value is going to be low due primarily to issues of distance and time relating to 'messaging' that our tech would be able to receive and interpret as communications. But the value of f(i) in Drake, that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe regardless of their communication with humans or lack thereof, is almost certainly nonzero.

 

So ultimately regarding communicative intelligent life elsewhere in the universe...for all the skeptics saying there's just us: there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on if you use the lack of communication from other intelligent beings as proof Earth is the only planet w/ intelligent life, because WE don't attempt to communicate with other intelligent life much. We don't spend much time or money on it at all, so why should they? 

 

Per your bolded see the next quote. The "math" that 4mer refers to = nothing exists because we haven't found it yet...

 

On 2/21/2015 at 1:10 PM, 4merper4mer said:

 

 

I can explain this better I think.

 

Supposedly the universe has a staggering amount of intelligent life. Too high a number to comprehend....

 

The universe has been around for billions of years......too high a number to comprehend......

 

So innumerable societies have developed for what is a near infinity and plausibly developed countless methods of exploration and communication......by sheer number alone some would seek out any life it could find....some would hide and some would do something in between. Out of all the explorer types out there....still a number too high to comprehend.....we have confirmed contact exactly zero times....and they have had billions of years to send their messages, probes, ships or morse code.

 

So how much more time is needed? Infinity plus one? How many more planets have to be discovered to extrapolate the supposed quantity of societies? How much more need be known about the universe? None. Because the math has already been done. There is nothing and nobody out there trying to communicate which essentially means there is nothing and nobody out there....period.

 

Understand now? It's just math.

[4merper4mer]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2019/03/18/are-we-in-a-galactic-zoo-protected-by-aliens-scientists-meet-to-investigate-the-great-silence/#5c9360791ce7

 

What does the Drake Equation try to do?

A formula to estimate the number of technological civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy, the Drake Equation is an attempt to put the Fermi Paradox into numbers. The Drake Equation was posited in 1961 by Dr. Frank Drake, a radio astronomer at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia.

 

What is the Drake Equation?

OK, don't expect any answers here. The formula below, which comes from the SETI Institute might seem impressive, but it's mostly guesswork. Practically speaking, its purpose is not to find a definitive answer, but to keep the discussion going about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

Of course the goal is to keep the conversation because $$$$$$$$$$$, power, control.  Of course the goal is not a definitive answer.......because no one would like the answer.

[GoBills808]

6 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Of course the goal is to keep the conversation because $$$$$$$$$$$, power, control.  Of course the goal is not a definitive answer.......because no one would like the answer.

SETI budget is <.1% of NASA annual budget, which itself is less than half of one percent of US spending per annum...

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

SETI budget is <.1% of NASA annual budget, which itself is less than half of one percent of US spending per annum...

Are you implying that SETI $ are the only $ impacted by the erroneous belief in intelligent aliens?

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11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Of course the goal is to keep the conversation because $$$$$$$$$$$, power, control.  Of course the goal is not a definitive answer.......because no one would like the answer.

 

 

[GoBills808]

5 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Are you implying that SETI $ are the only $ impacted by the erroneous belief in intelligent aliens?

What other $ could you possibly care about?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

SETI  knows how to do things 

 

With over 5.2 million participants worldwide contributing to their cause in the past 50 years and at what $ cost?