smuvtalker Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10334/1107184-100.stm Wow! They aren't playing around with this guy. Personally I don't care for the dude but dang, he's got to be thinking, "I better chill out". Next illegal hit almost guarantees he'll be suspended... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10334/1107184-100.stm Wow! They aren't playing around with this guy. Personally I don't care for the dude but dang, he's got to be thinking, "I better chill out". Next illegal hit almost guarantees he'll be suspended... I'm curious to see what his reaction is. I'm not convinced it was a bad hit.I know the NFL is trying to change but it is a fast and physical game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 This guy is a punk who is overdrawing his karma bank. One of these days someone will take his knees out...by accident of course. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I hope he talks about retirement again... that was super funny. "The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I hope he talks about retirement again... that was super funny. "The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein Great quote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 This guy is a punk who is overdrawing his karma bank. One of these days someone will take his knees out...by accident of course. PTR Have to agree with you there. I really think he intentionally tries to hurt people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I really think he intentionally tries to hurt people. Yeah, just like 500 other defenders in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Apparently the NFL brass saw the hit the same way most here did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfaninvgs Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Was it because it was helmet to helmet or because he was a defenseless player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/mike-tomlin-on-james-harrison-fines-hes-got-two-kids/ WOW...Tomlin is a total douche bag for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10334/1107184-100.stm Wow! They aren't playing around with this guy. Personally I don't care for the dude but dang, he's got to be thinking, "I better chill out". Next illegal hit almost guarantees he'll be suspended... I am beginning to wonder if he will ever get suspended. Seems like he pays a fine almost every week. If he doesn't get suspended how can people be upset that Andre Johson didn't get suspended? Harrison is just a dirty player, plain and simple. Eventually he will paralyze someone or even worse, then the league might wish they did something besides collect his money for charity. Was it because it was helmet to helmet or because he was a defenseless player? Most likley because he left his feet like a missile and hit head first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I don't watch all the STeelers games but I know who he is and the controversy around him, watch all the Bills games...and see probably the closest to a dirty hit on Fitz all year when we play him. So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I hope he talks about retirement again... that was super funny. "The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein Einstein was defining "insanity", not "stupidity". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 (edited) Einstein was defining "insanity", not "stupidity". lol EDIT: BTW he's been fined 17% (125K) of his 755K salary this year...although he got 10M bonus last year and a 2.8M bonus this year. Edited December 1, 2010 by dayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 what about fitz's kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Was it because it was helmet to helmet or because he was a defenseless player? Steelers LB James Harrison has been fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Harrison made “helmet contact” to the chest of Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made. So it was more or less for spearing a defenseless player, not contact to the head. I can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/mike-tomlin-on-james-harrison-fines-hes-got-two-kids/ WOW...Tomlin is a total douche bag for this. Un-friggin-believable. I hope that fine doesn't force James and his family into a homeless shelter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I wonder if these fines can be payed to charitys and therefore fall under the only pay 50% rule, if it goes to a charity. Then it would only be $75,000... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Harrison did lead with the head; spearing if I'm correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Yeah, just like 500 other defenders in the league. 500 other defenders aren't pieces of **** that lead with the crown of their helmet and aim for the opposing player's head on almost every hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxelRipper Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Un-friggin-believable. I hope that fine doesn't force James and his family into a homeless shelter normal home... fixed it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I would think after the second fine there would be a multi-game suspension. These clowns will write that check and keep doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 He's got two kids. Great, Mike. How about the guy Harrison eventually ends up paralyzing or crippling for life? How many kids does that guy have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Einstein was defining "insanity", not "stupidity". I was defining Harrison. And, I'm clearly no Einstiein! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Was it because it was helmet to helmet or because he was a defenseless player? They said helmet to chest and that Fitz was in a defenseless position. Truth is, it happened so fast that I thought the top of Harrison's helmet connected with Fitz's chin. I am surprised he wasn't knocked out cold. Either way, I saw the hit on Brees by Harrison, and the way he speared the Brown's receiver helmet to helmet when the receiver was already on the ground... the dude needs to chill. You can play fast and physical, you just have to make an effort to move that helmet to the side - most other defensive players appear to be capable of making big hits cleanly why not Harrison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I hope he talks about retirement again... that was super funny. "The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein I don't know who this guy thinks he is. He is a good player, but He seriously needs to re-think his approach. He's got two kids. Great, Mike. How about the guy Harrison eventually ends up paralyzing or crippling for life? How many kids does that guy have? LOL, this guy's ridiculous. I don't know if it's for show or what. Didn't he also refuse to go to some team function after they won the Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 pretty sure all fines in the nfl go to charities I wonder if these fines can be payed to charitys and therefore fall under the only pay 50% rule, if it goes to a charity. Then it would only be $75,000... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 It would've been a lot more $$$ except the NFL reads the Wall and figured "ah, Fitz is only a career backup at best." LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 They said helmet to chest and that Fitz was in a defenseless position. Truth is, it happened so fast that I thought the top of Harrison's helmet connected with Fitz's chin. I am surprised he wasn't knocked out cold. Which is exactly what told me that it could not have been helmet to head/chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 (edited) So it was more or less for spearing a defenseless player, not contact to the head. I can see that. Steelers LB James Harrison has been fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Harrison made “helmet contact” to the chest of Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made. - OK that where I have a serious beef with this fine. The NFL admits it was a helmet to chest contact. Yet it wasnt spearing, because his head was up and his facemask went into his chest and not the top of the helmet. How else is he supposed to hit someone? YEARS ago they stopped teaching players to lower their head, and hit the the top of the shoulder because of all the neck injuries (kevin evertte anyone? Or how about this http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20020027-10391704.html ) When a player lowers their head, so that the spine is closer to level with the ground (and not perpendicular), they are at HUGE risk. They dont always make contact with the shoulder and ofter end up jamming players with the neck either head on or to the side. I myself partially tore nerves in my sholder and lost 30% of my strenth in my left arm playing in highschool by taking a hit on the side of my head because I didnt keep it up. It took at least 6 months to get back to 100% Thats why nowadays it is taught at all levels of football to go "dobber to dobber" or "Power Z" or whatever you wanna call it. Head up, knees bent, bury your facemask in the guys numbers - taking the bulk of the force in the chest. Poz does a very good job at this if you ever notice how he tackles. IMO thats what Harrison did to Fitz, it was boarderline textbook. Maybe the top of his hat got Fitz chin, and Harrison being a small guy shoulda been lower, but what about taller defenders? Fitz isnt very tall, so he will inevitably get hit in the face more than taller guys. When a guy hits a QB with a safe (by safe i mean for the defender - they are at risk too), form tackle like that I dont think it should be penalized (I didnt think it was late or Fitz was "defenseless" - all QBs are defenseless when they are back there). That is only going to result in defenders getting neck injuries and paralized. Maybe they need to legalize "facemask hits" vrs "helmet" or "crown of the helemt hits" which remain illegal. Next week or next year I dont want to see Harrison paralized from the chest down because he flies into someone with his head down. Thats what they are moving towards with these rules. Edited December 2, 2010 by Thoner7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 lol EDIT: BTW he's been fined 17% (125K) of his 755K salary this year...although he got 10M bonus last year and a 2.8M bonus this year. Upon further review (placing it in another financial perspective), his, six-year contract has an average compensation of $8.53 million per year. So based on that, $150K worth of fines is .018% of his annual pay. For a person making the average U.S. per capita income of $39,000, that is the equivalent of a $7 fine. I repeat, a $7 fine. Obviously on the other hand, he's been fined $150,000 so far this year and that is a lot of money. But not compared to what he makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxelRipper Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Steelers LB James Harrison has been fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Harrison made “helmet contact” to the chest of Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made. - OK that where I have a serious beef with this fine. The NFL admits it was a helmet to chest contact. Yet it wasnt spearing, because his head was up and his facemask went into his chest and not the top of the helmet. How else is he supposed to hit someone? YEARS ago they stopped teaching players to lower their head, and hit the the top of the shoulder because of all the neck injuries (kevin evertte anyone? Or how about this http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20020027-10391704.html ) When a player lowers their head, so that the spine is closer to level with the ground (and not perpendicular), they are at HUGE risk. They dont always make contact with the shoulder and ofter end up jamming players with the neck either head on or to the side. I myself partially tore nerves in my sholder and lost 30% of my strenth in my left arm playing in highschool by taking a hit on the side of my head because I didnt keep it up. It took at least 6 months to get back to 100% Thats why nowadays it is taught at all levels of football to go "dobber to dobber" or "Power Z" or whatever you wanna call it. Head up, knees bent, bury your facemask in the guys numbers - taking the bulk of the force in the chest. Poz does a very good job at this if you ever notice how he tackles. IMO thats what Harrison did to Fitz, it was boarderline textbook. Maybe the top of his hat got Fitz chin, and Harrison being a small guy shoulda been lower, but what about taller defenders? Fitz isnt very tall, so he will inevitably get hit in the face more than taller guys. When a guy hits a QB with a safe (by safe i mean for the defender - they are at risk too), form tackle like that I dont think it should be penalized (I didnt think it was late or Fitz was "defenseless" - all QBs are defenseless when they are back there). That is only going to result in defenders getting neck injuries and paralized. Maybe they need to legalize "facemask hits" vrs "helmet" or "crown of the helemt hits" which remain illegal. Next week or next year I dont want to see Harrison paralized from the chest down because he flies into someone with his head down. Thats what they are moving towards with these rules. Excellent post. However, I dont see how harrison was trying to hit with his head up. If you compare this hit with the one he had against the Browns which started this whole "leading with the helmet" fining spree, it is the exact same play only without a helmet to helmet. Its a dirty way to hit, and the NFL doesnt want it for either the defender breaking his neck or breaking something on the guy he's hitting. Harrison seems to have a tendency to put his head down and ram himself into someone if he gets the chance. He's not going to stop until he gets suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 His teammates call him Silverback. How apecrap do you have to be to get that nickname? And 25k is not a game check, suspend him one game and he'll be shoestring tackling the next week or unemployed in two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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