C.Biscuit97

102.7 qb rating 8 wins by double digits against teams with winning records (no need to stat pad) 4,500 total yards 13-3, with all 3 losses they had leads in late. That is an all time weak MVP resume? I agree about the playoffs. But we have become so blind by the stats. I’d rather have Allen have Jackson’s year and limit his turnovers, which could have lead to more wins. I also know those risks make Allen great but it’s not honest to think they haven’t hurt us too.

The Ravens defense has blown leads in all of their losses, including 2 double digit ones.

You raise an interesting point. I’ve never done anything as bad as Rice and couldn’t imagine ever hitting a woman. But I won’t want to be judged forever by the worst moment of my life. It’s just weird to celebrate him. also the biggest thing I hate in the world are hypocrites. It’s a huge problem in this country. A lot of people called Rice every name on the book. Yet they love a guy like Dana White (on video hitting his wife) get a pass and hangs out with the ex president at high profile events.

There’s an old saying: Teams with OJ up on their Wall shouldn’t throw stones. but I agree, it’s a weird move. They should honor Kyle Boller before him. Really don’t get the point of this. also, don’t forget what a joke Goodell was at handling this. Or the Bengals drafted Mixon in the 2nd round and no one really cares. He’s come back for a bunch of games.

Cleveland’s 2 starting OTs, 1st rounders and awesome, have been out most of the year. It is absolutely amazing what that coaching staff is doing right now.

Are you just making up arguments in your head now? Where did I say I’d rather have Davis over Flowers? I said I’d rather have Davis over washed up OBJ. But I’d rather have Diggs over Flowers. dont get so emotional about this to just make up things. It’s a bad look.

Jackson has been in the top 3 mvp odds for most of the year. That game made him the favorite.

Haha, why can’t you give any credit to other guys on the team? Allen is absolutely amazing. But maybe Torrence was a great pick. Dawkins and Brown improved a ton. We finally got cook the ball and he showed why he was a 2nd round pick. these guys help Allen as well. Allen isn’t Jesus (though he is very good). You act like he’s on the Panthers or playing on NE’s offense.

And they overcame those and smoked the “best” team on the road.

Their defense has 2 more takeaways than us all year. 2.

Allen and the offense were awful in the game. Our defense was the only reason that game wasn’t over at halftime (and the Broncos garbage offense).

So actual numbers don’t matter. Just some random formula made up by nerds? Gotcha. Digging deep . 👍 and you’re making my point for Lamar for me (and I don’t even think he should win). If Allen and the offense didn’t suck for halves of games against the Giants, Chiefs, chargers, Pats, and Broncos, they won’t need a “game winning drive.” The defense was the only reason those game were winnable. The Ravens have stomped opponents from the jump and their defense has blown leads in their 3 losses. I think the Bills are a really good team that are getting hot at the right time. But there were far too many inconsistent moments this year to have the MVP.

Won’t this apply to Jackson as well? Also, for both Jackson and Allen, because they are elite playmakers, they both can hurt their o lines by taking some negative plays as well. I never played oline (skill player 😎) and it bores me. But it is so important and everyone seems to think the Bills oline has taken a huge step forward this year which is awesome.

Come on Captain. Read what you just posted. OBJ isn’t even as good as Davis. He’s a possession receiver who was in major decline and is coming off his 2nd major knee injury. I’d rather have better than both but in 2023, Davis is a better player than OBJ. also, do more stat pad when they up double digits or when they are trailing? The Ravens never really are losing this year. They dominate games from the opening kickoff and normally cruise to victories. Well you’re not being honest. Because 99% of fans here, myself included, would be losing our minds if Allen wasn’t the MVP favorite if we were the number 1 seed. Like Allen shouldn’t get penalized for the Dallas game because his team killed those frauds and he didn’t have to do anything,. and this isn’t a gotcha you moment. Ravens have a slightly better o line and defense. We have better offensive weapons. It’s very close. I do think them being +10 in turnovers while we are 0 (with only 2 less takeaways) is significant to wins

The Ravens give up 13 less yards/ game than us, 4 more sacks, and 2 less points/ game. additionally, they only have 2 more takeaways (26-24). But the reason they are 12-3 and we are 9-6 is they are a +10 while we are even. So to the people who favor Jackson, that and the losses, are the biggest case against Allen.

I agree that is silly but he definitely could have half if not more of those 1 yard tds Gu’s Edwards gets. Or extra td passes if a receiver doesn’t get tackled at the one. honestly, it’s all pretty stupid but it makes for good debate during the week. Most NFL mvps rarely win the SB the year they won the award anyways.

It’s stupid award and I don’t really care either way. but if the situations were reversed, you be screaming for Allen to be the mvp over Lamar because he is the qb of the number 1 seed who’s team never trails. I think the Ravens have 7 wins of double digits against winning teams this year (something like that). So they have a lot of Dallas games where Allen didn’t have to do anything. This is the worst season of Mahomes career. That’s how high he set the bar. Plus, they have 6 losses (and counting). I agree he might have the most garbage cast of any MVP caliber qb but it is what it is.

They traded one who has done nothing in Arizona. The other one, Bateman, got hurt a million times, and is a 3rd wr at best. Flowers is very good. They overpaid OBJ (who I said was washed in that disaster of thread we had) because they were so desperate to give him weapons who is meh. The Bills traded a 1st for Diggs. They spent a 1st on Kincaid. They drafted Cook in the 2nd. also, this isn’t Allen vs Lamar because I really like them both. Point is Allen’s cast isn’t as bad as it is made out to be here.

I get this point but it’s too extreme. I know I got my CPR certification and a lot of others did because of this. I also know many more places are getting AEDs because of this as well. So it has made some real positive changes. that said, he shouldn’t be comeback player of the year. Him going to all these crazy events and parties is his award.

As someone who loves going late to games and leaving early to beat traffic, I understand this logic. Especially in LA. dodgers and Lakers fans are as diehard as they come. LA loves those teams. The rest are only in demand if they are good. They could care less otherwise, plus there are so many transplants.

Wait, you’re telling me that 5-9 Chargers, coming off giving up 63 points; starting Easton Stick; coached by a guy named Giff; without Keenan Allen, weren’t in demand on a Saturday night in LA??? Shocked I tell you!!!

I mistyped. I meant cincy’s receivers are better but I’d rather have cook than Mixon. and I’m one of the few who isn’t biased here. I point out why other guys might have a good argument and it’s like you hate Allen (who I have repeatedly said is a top 3 qb). your reading comprehension also sucks and you’re very sensitive. I said Flowers is a stud in another post. He still is a rookie. And Kincaid was a top 5 TE when Knox was out. He was a legit huge weapon for us. I love the Bills and not just Allen, who is amazing. But some posters love putting down the offense to build him up. This is a top 10 group around him.

https://mvpvoting.wordpress.com/ap-voters/ From 2020, nfl hates change so like expect a lot of the same people.

Flowers is a stud. The rest are meh. I know we had a 150 page on his being our number 2 receiver, but he is not even a top 30 receiver at this point of his career. I’d rather have Davis than him (though hopefully we improve that spot next year). Gus Edwards was their 3rd string rb to start the year. And Lamar hasn’t had his best offensive weapon for the last 3 games. Thise WRs get open because they are terrified by Lamar running. Same thing with most mobile QBs. Lamar might be the best rushing qb ever so it puts defenses in a bind. I can post his backups stats when they played vs his. The drop off is major (losing record l, more turnovers than TDS).

Yeah I agree with some of your points but Mahomes would be awesome here. He’d kill to have our receiving core. Lamar has also never played with close to a receiver like Diggs. I think him and Hurts would be good in our offense as well, though it would be way different. Agree on Tua and Purdy. I think Allen is better than Burrow but Diggs, Kincaid, and Cook are very good weapons in their own right if not as good as Cincy’s WRs (though I’d rather have Cook than the woman puncher Mixon).