C.Biscuit97

I gotta push back on this and it has nothing to do with how awesome Allen is. But that’s why I hate the MVP talk because he kinda craps on the rest of the team. do people not remember who Allen was when we got him? He was an extremely raw qb from Wyoming. The Bills were a playoff team the year before. They keep the same OC for Allen for 4 years, which rarely happens. They have consistently been a playoff team under McBeane. People need to stop acting like this team is the Jets when it is one of the best organizations in the NFL. Allen has developed into possibly the best player in the nfl. But this organization helped him developed into that.

I actually think the Bills don’t use Cook as much as they should. Dude averages 5.0 ypc. But he is healthy so I can’t second guess it. But he 100% is a top 5 rb and deserving of recognition. I think a few o linemen deserved if as well but honestly, most people don’t pay attention to the o linemen. I mean he probably should. He has the most leverage he ever has and RBs get treated like dirt. Some Bills fans completely undervalue him as well.

Another reason why MVP is stupid: why isn’t Jayden Daniels more talked about? They were a joke franchise and won 4 games last year. Because he’s a rookie?

He has 13 sacks and 40 tackles in 3 years. He signed for $120 million. 🎉

My Kincaid over 750 yards bet 😢

He literally has the easiest job in sports - just play on obvious passing downs; line up wide; and tackle the qb (or even get near him) once or twice and he is a star. I get the move but it has been one of the worst signings in Bills history. Hopefully, he can do something to justify it at some point.

First Bills game was the 1993 championship against the Chiefs. So cold. Giants one in 2007 with rain and wind was awful. That garbage 3-0 Pats MNF game with the wind and rain. That cold and snowy NE game wasn’t even that bad. basically, any game that is rainy and windy haha.

Agreed but it’s his best friend having a gruesome injury and they aren’t robots. They weren’t beating the Chiefs anyways. Just seems like piling on because he’s regressed this year.

I’m the grinch but is this one of those things because Mahomes played 1 game his rookie year? Still impressive nonetheless.

Get off this board with that reasonable take!!! if we are going to blindly say which rookie wr is best, Brian Thomas JR might be the best, with Ladd 2nd. But of course, he gets to stat pad. Situation matters so much for these guys.

Leslie Frazier getting fired after having multiple top 3 defense looks insane now. Especially considering most of this board thinks Edmunds sucks as a MLB. Babich is young so he gets another year but so many double standards on this board. But he was quiet!

BS. Harbaugh is a great coach but has a higher winning % with Lamar as a qb. And what system? You talking about the Roman system? You mean the one that has taken one of the best young passers in Herbert and made him a game manger? Or the new system where Lamar is throwing for 40 tds and 4.000 yards with future HOF WRs Zay Flowers and Bateman? maybe the guy who won MVPs in both systems is the system. This trying to cheapen who Jackson is as a player is lazy and out dates Polian crap. Maybe the guy who won a Heisman at Louisville with 0 nfl players on offense and multiple MVPs is just a really great qb. But nah that can’t be it. Must be every system he is in because he “is different.” that said, Allen is the MVP.

That was never my point. It was that Manning was bad playoff qb at the same age as Lamar is now. Things can change quickly.

This is hindsight. There was plenty of talk about Peyton being a regular season star passer before he won. He could never win a big game in college and Tennessee won the national championship the year after he left. It was dumb. And Belichick before and after Brady has been an average to slightly below average head coach. Fun fact, Tony Dungy has a better record without BB than BB has without Brady.

Andy Dalton has multiple 4,000 yard seasons. Dalton >>> Jackson obviously!

I mean that’s kinda obvious. But i think it’s more because of their injuries and the fact he really hasn’t played football in a year. I think if he was on a healthy Lions team, he could fill in for a couple of games and get a few wins.

I mean it seems like there is some double standards here. If he was laughing and smiling, he doesn’t care. If he cries, he is soft. I don’t think you should cry unless it’s a major game. But would I make fun of Allen for crying? Of course not. I like players who care. Because real men show no emotion when their friend suffers a major injury!!! You know Allen and Burrow told the coaches after the Hamlin thing they didn’t want to play right? Stroud has regressed this year but that’s a dumb reason to criticize him. I agree. And he wasn’t the same guy but Diggs injury was big. The. Collins got hurt. Now Dell. big regression and disappointing year. I can see him rebounding next year though. But Houston is as disappointing of a playoff team as there is.

Fun fact, Manning had 3 playoff stats with 1 tds, and 2 ints. In his last start before turning 27, he threw for 137 yards with 0 tds and 2 ints. Lamar is 27. Peyton was thought of chocked until he won that SB. He never beat Florida or won anything of note in college either. point is, narratives change quickly. It’s not crazy to think Lamar wins the SB and it’s like of course the greatest dual threat wins a SB. Same thing with Allen. It’s silly to sum up their careers at this point. I love Allen and Lamar because they do it their own way and had a lot of hate when they first came in. Difference between Newton and Jackson is Jackson keeps getting better as passer. and I’m not going to win this against a guy with your user name but Kelly sucked in the playoffs. 21 tds to 28 ints. Why didn’t they run Thurman a million times against 2 man d line in SB 25? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm kelly was very good but he was boosted by an all time great team. Put Marino or Elway on the Bills, they have multiple SBs. I’m going to bills hell but it’s the truth.

I mean this is the reason he gets traded so much. He is the guy capable of 200 yard games and doing nothing the next game. he still is a major threat that defenses have to key on and if opens things up for other guys. Diggs did that as well but he wasn’t happy doing that. Cooper barely speaks so it seems like it is fine and that is a big key to the offenses success

Great point. Also, I think fans think players are robots. It’s like when Tre White came back from major legs injuries, why can’t he cover WRs running a 4.3 the same way??? The same with Milano. Imagine you get a major injury and trying to come back from it to do the elliptical or treadmill. Now try playing in the nfl. also, my only fear with Bernard and Milano (absolute ballers) is OCs are doing what I would do against them. Attack them and force them into taking on blocks and contact. Obviously I know Lamar’s playoff resume, but Henry is scary to think about.

Well using your trend logic, Houston’s offense has been trending the wrong way. And the Ravens defense gave uo the most points the Raiders have all season and the second most the Browns scored all year? what would the MVP conversation be if Ravens didn’t have the two most unbelievable losses in the whole season? spoiler alert, it would be the same because LAmar is not going to win it again until he wins a SB. Lamar is 27. Manning didn’t win his first SB until 30. Kelly had more ints than tds in the postseason and went to 4 SBs. if Lamar wins a SB, he goes into the conversation for all time qbs. Same with Allen. Both are very young and a ton can change even in a few months. If you don’t think Lamar is a top 5 qb, you’re just being a hater at this point.

See I think it should have been Lamar’s CMC, or a defensive players. The Ravens were a historically good regular season, who blew out good teams, and didn’t stat pad in second halves. it’s why I though Allen would win it with “worse” stats. The no Diggs narrative was going to be huge. Mahomes and Jackson were going to be a long shots because they have multiple ones. Only major candidate would have been Burrow, who is playing Qb as well as anyone but I guess it’s his fault his defense sucks I guess. MVPs debates are so dumb but they are engaging. 😂 bills fans care more about this than Allen does.

If you take out our defense’s worst 3 games, we give up 17.5 points/ game. Kinda silly to do that though.

Fun fact, James Cook had more total yards than Henry last year. I’m not going to say Cook is better than Henry but Henry was looked at as a declining rb who was turning 30. Lamar helped him as much as he helped Lamar. It is a perfect marriage. Just like Cook is a very good rb for us (and they still don’t give him enough touches!).

Thank you for a rational take. However win Lamar won his 2 MVP last year (which was warranted because his team murdered the regular season and he didn’t stat pad), he isn’t going to win this year. Even with better numbers and if somehow they got the number 2 seed. it makes for good debate but MVP is about story line. Lamar isn’t getting 3 without winning a SB. And also the regular season MVP rarely wins the SB, so I don’t know why we care so much anyways.