Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Every year rookie RB's come in including 3rd rounders and run for 1000 yards. Shady may be the best we have, but based on last year wasn't very good to begin with. Maybe with improved line he'll do better, but likely this is his last year with the Bills anyway, so I'd be fine with moving on now and get something in return. While I think the Bills are a better team now than a year ago, don't think they are winning the SB either so taking a slight step back this season at RB to be better off in 2020, I'd be fine with that. Can they trade him who knows, was thinking in the context of a package deal Shady, maybe one of the other names I mentioned and a pick to move up or get more picks. Does he have trade value, don't know and didn't state we were getting a 3rd for him either. All I said was we can replace him with a 3rd round RB.

Three guys with some trade value that wouldn't be terribly missed are Zay Jones, Lawson, and Shady. Lawson is based on us either signing Ziggy or drafting in the 1st for his replacement, and replace Shady with a 3rd round RB

So true in theory could happen based on BPA. When was the last time any team has ever come out after the draft and stated, he wasn't the best player available, but we took him anyway. Every player drafted by every team in every round is always somehow miraculously the BPA. And how would anyone ever know as even those doing mock drafts in the media hardly agree from one to the next. Recall Josh Allen was ranked from #1 overall to a 4th rounder by someone else. If you looked at a teams draft board and ranking or even the Mel Kipers of the worlds board, how much difference is there really between the guy they have ranked 14th and 15th, maybe he bench pressed 10 more reps or 2 points higher on the Wonderlic. IMO teams may have their board all set up but if there's a player very closely ranked to the BPA that's remaining, and the one slightly lower better fits a need, they take the need guy and announce at his introductory press conference how they had him ranked high and were so lucky he fell to them and no one will ever know the difference.

I do agree with you, felt that was a problem last year all the switching in camp and per-season on the line and also at QB hurt. I don't think it's as bad this year though as do feel Morse, Dawkins and Spain will start, so at most that leaves only two slots up for changes. But the sooner they can nail those two spots down the better in the long run. I think this also is the plan, however that likely means some of these guys they just signed will be cut. Right now there are 13 offensive line players on the roster 4 players who I believe still have some practice squad eligibility left, three returning players, two of which likely will be cut Bodine and Vlad, and six new players. If you draft one or two (which I'm not disagreeing with) where is a spot for him? Anything below a 5th rounder, you'd be taking a big chance exposing him to waivers to move to practice squad without someone else signing him. Teams usually carry 9 lineman so unless you put all four on the practice squad, at least one one of the new signees likely will also get cut. And likely trying to move Teller to PS will result in another team signing him. If the Bills do draft two lineman with anything below a 5th, that likely does mean some of the new signees will be gone. So do think it may be tricky as to how the team can sign long term replacements, and also field a strong line this year with the players they signed.

I don't think people are under valuing the RB position. I think people particularly in NFL front offices are recognizing that you can easily find great RB's in the 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th round. To me RB is a throw away position. Of all the positions on a football field (excluding the punter and kicker) it appears to be easiest for a RB to come in as a rookie and excel on the field. On the other hand they seem to have a shorter shelf life and you may be best once their first or at most second contract is done, letting them go and go get another rookie to take his place. Could be a very interesting year for L Bell to watch how he does!

I don't often agree with BadoBilz, but I do on this one and if I were you I'd stop arguing with him regarding point #2 as I view that as a big benefit to Beane. I agree about Butler too, great scout, loved every player he found and signed them to crazy contracts. Beane is more of an administrative guy. Yes he does go out scouting but doesn't have the lifetime blood in his veins of scouting like some of these others do like a Whaley. Whaley is about 5 years older worked for ten years in Pitt in the area of scouting. From what I recall of the stories written about him when he was first hired, Beane started out getting coffee and picking up dry cleaning. He's trying to catch up on the scouting part and is doing a good job there, but am very happy that the area of scouting isn't his strong part.

I think you could get away with trading down a few slots and still get him around say 13 and pick up an extra pick in the process. I'd be fine with them picking him going this route. And if someone else then picks him before us, there's still many good plays left at 13 and still have the extra pick, so would prefer rolling the dice i n this direction.

Maybe the source is Doug Whaley or Russ B!! I'd say arguably one of the two best! But still not a bad signing by any means

My only fear is they spend too much time during camp "tinkering" and doesn't give the eventual starting five time to develop teamwork. I'd go with Morse, Spain and Dawkins at three slots and unless someone comes out of the blue to beat them out, you're set there. That leaves two slots with 2 to 3 guys battling it out for each. And again would try and settle quickly on the winner at both. I will predict one of the signings will get cut as not sure you'll want to have that much money for the backups at the expense of cutting all the young cheap guys. They seem to like Sirles and not sure they are ready to give up on Ike or McDermott yet. Think if it's close between one of these three and the FA signings, one of the FA signings may be the one to be cut.

yup he called up from the Panthers war room and suggested the Bills trade down with KC thus passing on Mahomes

I agree that 10 picks does sound like too much. I'd like to see them move up assuming we can find someone will to trade say the 5th or 6th overall for our 9th overall, plus our two 7 rounders, our 2 5th rounders, and say one of our fourths. Do you you think there'll be any takers? (Maybe Gettlemann) Assuming no one goes for that, too move up that far would likely require us trading our 2nd rounder too. So then we're left with a top 5 pick but no other top talent, don't like that option much either as do feel we way more than one player away from the Super Bowl. As has been mentioned, could use maybe four solid players from the draft. Personally I'd prefer to see us trade down to around 16, pick up an extra 2nd, then trade back to late in the 1st round (around #25) for our own 2nd, plus 3rd or even better, our own 2nd, plus our two 4ths and even throw in a 5th.. That would still leave us with 2 firsts, a second, and two fourths or 2 firsts, a second, a 3rd and no fourths.

You failed to address the biggest need a 2 point conversion specialist! Until they sign him, they will never sniff the playoffs. PS This thread is 2 days too late!

Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So why didn't he just say that in 3 lines!

Does he still have eligibility left based on how many games he played last year?

Not sure having the most FA signings is a good thing?? But considering the holes we had last year, can't hurt.

Completely disagree!! The point of acquiring good players is to have them make the final roster and play in meaningful games starting in September. Yes that's fine if every position on your roster is flush with talent, but if there's some positions like say LB ,safety, or even punter where you can bring in a rookie and there's a pretty high chance they make the roster, that's better than having 12 guys completing for 9 O-line slots or 5 to 6 WR slots and cutting the rest. In nothing else, you wasted the signing bonus I'm guessing at least one of these lineman they've just signed will be cut or maybe Teller, but he's on a cheap rookie contract so more incentive to keep him than a higher priced backup unless much, much better in talent. If it's a 5th or 6th round pick can likely hide that guy on the practice squad. Or you hope maybe the higher draft pick that is at a position with depth, you hope he gets a hang nail so can hide him on IR for a year.

Interesting in that yesterday they came out with the comment that the Bills are only expected to win 6 games, but looking at that schedule, unless some team comes out of the gate and really surprises, can see them either being the favorite or a slight underdog in 8 games. Another four they may be a 4 to 5 point dog which likely will win 1 or 2 of them admittedly they likely won't win all 8 where they are favorites either. The only games where I see them being a more prohibitive underdog are the two NE games, the Eagles, and maybe they Cowgirls. 9-7 doesn't seem that hard with this schedule, but there's always a couple of surprise teams every year, and who knows this year the surprise may be in Buffalo!

Yes but what does bode well for Jones and easily negates not being a starter or playing special teams is he's still on a cheap rookie contract. Likely will take one or maybe two of these other guys to clearly outplay him in camp that he drops down to around #7 on the depth chart t obe cut. The other thing that could hurt him is I do believe the Bills will draft a TE, that would leave them with four including the converted tackle they signed last week. If they decide to go with four TE's that likely will reduce the number of slots for WR. I'd say there's a much better chance he's not on the Bills opening day roster because he gets traded, but not because he gets cut. If the Bills were to make two trades between now and opening day, will be surprised if Zay isn't part of one of the trades. How about the Bills sign one of the FA DE they've been talking with then trade Zay and Lawson and a 4th rounder for AJ Green

Barring a really bad collapse, see them making it at least to 2020, if then were real bad the next two years, can see McD getting fired, but GM's often get to go through two coaches, so could see Beane still hanging on and hiring another coach. Worst case Allan's a failure so the team is also terrible, but if you fire him for that, you better plan to fire many others too as the success rate for QB's is less than 50/50 to begin with.

I doubt 11 wins gets you XX of the year as there will be some surprise team that does much better than expected. Even a team like Green Bay, they made some additions, say they win 13 games, they'd get more consideration IMO. Assuming Allan improves a fair amount, win 10 games this season good draft this year and next, plus a handful more FA signings next season think either of them getting the award in 2020 is more reasonable.

The one down side of that is you don't then give the 5 players you go with enough time to jell. I think that was a big problem the Bills had last year in training camp, the constant juggling of their line, and same thing at QB. No one got enough reps with the first team. I realize these guys are all vets so likely don't need as much time, but with today's CBA rules it limits the amount of work you get. Let the compete for a couple of weeks of camp, but would like to see them settle on the starting five by 3rd pre-season game. Or be OK with sub par line play the first couple weeks of the season. I can see some of these signings not making it through camp. Excluding Morse, did we give any of them much of a signing bonus, how much of a cap hit will we have if we cut a couple of them? I'm guessing it's not high, but will be something. No it works, just may not get the intended results!

Do you think the Bengels would go for a trade of Lawson and Zay Jones for AJ Green. Would the Bills have to throw in another mid level pick, maybe one of their 4th? Antonio Brown went for a 3rd and 5th was it??

I'm guessing the big thing is he's not getting paid like he was anymore and maybe see's that these new things he's been doing since leaving BN just aren't getting big enough to make a career out of it. For Jerry, this is like a part time retirement gig for him, so likely money doesn't matter very much. I believe Jerry is over 70 so already collecting SS, his biggest worry is how will he spend all the money he needs to take to satisfy his RMD.

Think the difference with Beane is he's not scout and didn't come up that route. He has a handle on all phases of the job and has been involved wit hall the parts up to and including getting coffee for other coaches etc. Think it's easier for a GM to rely on others for the scouting and concentrate on the financial part of the job as opposed to be heavy into the scouting yourself as likely if you're a scout you think anyone can do the financial part of the job. While I suspect someone with Beanses background is goign to know he needs input from the scouts.

Missed that one! Must have been recent I'd assume