Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

You are right! This approach definitely was total failure, look where it got him, 9-7 and in the playoffs.

I'd think that's the type of injury that wouldn't stop a team from signing him as long as it's not expected to be long term. Wouldn't even shock me to see the Bills hold him pout this week if trying to trade him to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I agree with you on Woods and Goodwin, they are earning what they are making. Watkins don't think he's worth close to what he's being paid. Gilmore finally is having a pretty good year, maybe earning his keep. Darby agree on the rookie deal would be worth it, but they may not have drafted T Johnson this year then. I think with Watkins, they felt they couldn't re-sign him for a reasonable deal, so they moved him and got something in return. IMO Watkins would not be here this season regardless. Dareus was way over paid for his production and had suspect attitude so glad to see they moved him. Would the team be better if both still here, sure, but not likely to have happened with Watkins either way. Beane could have moved the players he wanted to get rid of more slowly spread the cap hit over two years, but they agreed to rip the band-aid off all at once and be done with it. I'm sure that was done with Pegula's blessing though admittedly he likely wasn't expecting the team to look this weak offensively either.

How many of these players today on whatever team they are on and whatever contract are worth the money they are being paid? Would the Bills be a better team if they had all these guys, certainly yes they would, but are they worth the money they are being paid? The only one I think is worth his contract would be Glenn, but he was a risk in keeping due to injury. I also think if the Bills hadn't made the playoffs last season, maybe ended the season at 7-9, they would have drafted much higher and wouldn't have needed to make the Glenn trade and still had been able to get into the top 10 or 5 if needed for the other moves they made. Or they could have still traded Glenn, but after all the other moves still had at least one 2nd or 3rd round pick left for another player. That was the problem with making the playoffs last year, they didn't draft as high as they maybe expected early on.

Probably the same people posting in the other thread questioning why coaches bring in new players to fit their scheme too and not understanding why!

Yup you're right, The fact that McD and FO wanted to hire this guy shows how clueless they truly are. Wait, wasn't it more the posters here all wanted the Bills to hire McCoy? Hard to believe as knowledgeable as all the posters here think they are.

Cleveland didn't seem to have much of any problem attracting some quality players this past off-season. As was mentioned, it all comes down to money. Also don't see the likelihood of too many off season signings anyway. Likely will go after a vet backup QB, but in the end they will sign with whoever has much interest. Maybe also a backup/#2 CB. Top WR likely to come via the draft, likely try to sign some WR depth, but at that level not hard to sign. Assuming Tellier after a year with the team is ready to move to one of the guard spots, I see the teams biggest FA need to sign the top center and/or guard, maybe to the OP's point, the team does over pay some there to get that guy(s). Use a 2nd round pick on a RT, sign some depth players too and you've solved your O-line . Teams don't need and more importantly can't afford five all pro line man. RB comes via the draft, you can get a rookie in the 3rd round who can run for 1000 yards. IMO the easiest position for a rookie to excel at is RB and the toughest may be WR as not matter how good the WR is, he still needs to get on the same page as the QB. Also feel WR needs a year of getting physically stronger to compete at the top NFL level. Defense doesn't need to fill many starting roles, so not much need to sign top level FA players there.

Some of these guys "reinvent themselves" like Fitz and make up for weak arm strength other ways like experience. So wouldn't completely count Peterman out long term. He may be another of these guys who hangs around for 10 plus years as a backup

I have been concerned about Allen getting hurt, but have to say the way he did get hurt, seemed rather unconventional in that could have happened to anyone. Most often happens to baseball pitchers where there's no contact.

Probably the same people.

It just amazes me how dumb people are who post here. Until Allen is ruled healthy Peterman will be on the active roster. Is that really that hard to figure out? They aren't going to sign some new guy even to be the backup as long as you have a guy here Peterman knows the offense.

I think letting him sit for a couple of weeks could help more than going out there and making the same mistakes repeatedly. For everyone gushing over Mahomes, he played one game last season, so sitting can work. I think the original plan was for Allen to sit, but he looked as good as the other two. That was the big problem AJM never played up to expectations.

They signed Anderson, he fills the same role as Fitz does. If they want to sit Allen, they can play anderson

#3 A guy I work with is a Clemson grad and huge fan. He commented to me back at final cut day, "Be prepared for McCloud to put a couple on the carpet!" He was right! Will be interesting to see next week, who starts at QB, if Allen isn't healthy, do they feel Anderson has learned enough to start him, and even if Allen is ready to go, who start, Allen or Anderson??

I really doubt the front office and even McD thought the team would have made the playoffs last year. If that had happened drafting at least a few slots higher, likely wouldn't have need to give up as much to have still got Allen and Edmunds. Maybe they wouldn't have needed to move Glenn, or would likely have had at least one more 2nd or 3rd round draft pick top use.

I''ll agree Allen's progress has been tough to watch and had hoped he'd look better by now. However the problem with this in today's NFL there's not enough practice time to evaluate a rookie and 2nd year guy who's still developing. You'll then have two guys and little idea if either will develop. Allan probably had some of the biggest question marks going into the draft, but also the most upside so they drafted him. He needs playing time, ideally it shouldn't have come this season, but it is. His stats this year are still better than Mahomes rookie year and over 16 games about even with Mitch T. Mahomes couldn't beat out Alex Smith last season, but now he's tearing things up. Allen's accuracy wasn't looking bad during training camp, drills, etc. Supposedly he worked with some QB whisperer who helped straightened him out and made him look serviceable But now with the real bullets flying, he doesn't have time to think and is back to all his old habits. Let him get some playing time, maybe the game starts to slow down for him and he can start to think about what he is and isn't supposed to do out there. He does have pretty brutal weapons too all around, both WR and O-line. Will time and and a better team around him help, who knows it might help, he also doesn't need to have the accuracy of a Rodgers either, just throw for 250+ yard a game and they could be a very good team. I also know that no one knows for certain it won't improve. If it doesn't likely the team won't be much better next year or the year after and they'll be drafting early again and can get their guy then. (doesa't appear to be any can't miss prospects coming out this coming draft anyway) As I stated in the beginning taking another rookie now will just give you two guys with not enough time to develop.

Yeah, I suppose the starter part does make it rather unique.

I'll bet you it;'s in the hundreds if not more. like someone posted above, life on the roster fringe.

He's good, certainly top 15 type good, but I don't think he's worth the money he's making. And they've had to let too many others on the roster go to afford him. And seems like every year, the team has done worse as they keep needing to dump talent around him because of cap issues, is that 100% due to his salary alone, no, but he's a part of it. You also read about the drama out there around him too, maybe that's really not on him but on Carroll? Wilson's not unique in this, there's probably 10 QB's similar who are paid much more than their play dictates. There was an article people here had a thread on a couple weeks back about some writer stated you should draft a rookie QB and once his contract is up, let him go and grab a new one as usually not worth the money they want. I wouldn't maybe go as far as that article went, but don't totally disagree with that argument either.

Completely agree he was just a figurehead, but didn't view him at all as a scapegoat as everyone around knew Rex was the brains or lack there of behind the defense. Someone pointed out one instance of Rex maybe throwing Thurman under the bus, I didn't recall that one, but overall don't recall Rex ever bad mouthing Thurman, seemedeveryone was happy with him beign the figurehead

Except he didn't get demoted, he was still the DC and don't recall Rex Thurman in anyway or blaming him for anything. So if he wasn't demoted and never blamed for anything by Rex or most others in the press (everyone knew Rex was in charge) how exactly was he the scapegoat?

I agree that he was DC in name only, but woundn't call him the scapegoat as everyone knew Rex and the 2nd year Rob were running the D. For the most part don't recall hearing anyone ever try and blame Thruman, everyone blamed the Ryan boys for everything..

And gone down hill ever since. He's a great example of the second tier "franchise QB" which I define as decent QB's had 1 or 2 very good years, get paid top franchise $$ once their rookie contract is over, but once they're paid that amount, not enough money left to field a top level team around them. Some QB's Rodgers, Fauve, Brady Manning, Brees are good enough that they can take decent talent around them and still keep the team at the top level. But guys like Wilson, Newton, Flacco, Daulton, etc don't have enough talent for the money they earn.

That's my thinking too, Peterman will stay on the roster until Anderson knows the offense and/or some short term 2 to 3 week injuries hit forcing the Bills to make a move then he likely will get cut. Can't see the Bills having three QB's active either on game day roster.

Well no, according to Takanka's thinking, the Bills signed Hyde thinking he was just going to be an average signing. But they screwed up and now discovered he's actually pretty good, so they will get rid of him!