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So much depends on Josh. He does things no one else can, but makes too many mistakes. Still, I remember a year when Joe Namath threw 6 interceptions against the Bills at War Memorial Stadium. It was the only game we won and the only one the Jets lost as they went on to defeat the heavily favored Colts in SB3. Josh just needs to find that level where he's doing enough, but not pressing. I also think most people underestimate the value of a great OL. I hope Torrence and Brown can have great years. That will really help all parts of our offense. And then we'll hopefully have Von back for the playoffs. That will help the pass rush as well as providing a spark to the whole team psychologically.

I know he's not a skill player, but considering how weak our OL was last year, Torrence may have the biggest positive impact of anyone new to our roster this year. Love this pick!

Brown may be a smidge better overall and he's certainly the better athlete, but Shell is a better pass protector.

On 5/25/2023 at 12:41 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Russ Wilson. Things couldn't get worse. Could they? 🤔 * 🎶Everything's coming up roses...🎵🌹🌹🌹🌹 The Broncos invested very heavily in their OL, so I think you're right.

On 5/25/2023 at 11:31 PM, hondo in seattle said: I hope you're right about both Edwards and Boogie having better-than-expected years. But let me play Scrooge... PFF typically ranks Edwards in the 60s - a solid backup. (Yeah, I know, it's only PFF). They rated our entire OL in the 60's last year except for Dawkins. That's why I've been clamouring for OL help and loved that Torrence was still available at pick #59. If Edwards returns to form and Brown gets his head out of his you know where, it will make our offense better than ever. I should also add that they rated Saffold in the 40's which is cheerleader territory. 20 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: Knox. Why would that be a surprise?

He can run all he wants. He just needs to slide or get out of bounds. Able all, he needs to wrap up the ball a lot better than he has been. There's no excuse for all those fumbles. I understand that some will happen, especially in the pocket when he's holding the ball up and looking downfield. Once he takes off though, he needs to hold that ball against his body like a RB would.

I have 2. He overpaid both Lotulelei and Conner McGovern. Neither of them are very good, but they got paid like they were.

I say at home vs his old team, the Broncos. They want him 100% for the playoffs and have no reason to rush his return and risk a setback.

Don't count out Edwards-Torrence at the starting G spots either.

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: David Edwards is my sleeper. I think he starts. I don't know what happens everywhere else, but they talk him up every chance they get and he was a high level player before his injury last year. He is also still very young. I also think Boogie Bahsham has a mini breakout. ------------------------- I sure hope so. Edwards wasn't great before injuries took their toll, but he was still pretty good and his best years may lie ahead. Basham has shown flashes and could win a starting job before Von returns. I like these picks.

Each year it seems that a player or 2 that few, if any, had on their radar outperforms all expectations. Who will be 2023's big surprise(s)? I'm going with Alex Austin. He slid primarily due to a slow 40 time, but if moved inside he could be pretty good. It may take some time for him to adjust though. I also think the future is bright for Dorian Williams, but not so soon. He has some outstanding traits, but needs coaching and experience to put it all together. I love his speed in particular. In the mean time, I expect his ST contributions to be noteworthy. Justin Shorter is another intriguing prospect after his college career was marred by a rash of injuries. If healthy, he might finally live up to expectations. I know from watching draft room video that Beane really liked him a lot. We'll see if that admiration was warranted. I'd end by saying that the success of our top 2 picks will not surprise me at all. I think the sky is the limit for Kincaid and Torrence.

I'm 67 so I'm older than the franchise, but I have never waivered in my allegience. It has, at times, been tough. No doubt about that. I will remain a fan all my life unless this franchise is either dismantled or moved at which point the NFL will become irrelevant to me. I continue to hope that I will live to see the Bills hoist the Lombardi Trophy.

I don't remember anyone ever saying that about Zay. And anyway, he's become an OK receiver since he left Buffalo. I'm more excited about Torrence anyway since the OL was easily the weakest unit on the team last year. I so hope Spencer Brown can be just average. Even that would be a huge improvement.

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I'd love this move -- especially if he could play G. Roullier and Torrence at G with Morse at C is way better than what we had just 3 weeks ago. If we can get him on a low budget deal while he gets healthy, that's a steal. I doubt it happens, but I'd love it if it did. MLB is still top priority though. I don't think our starting MLB is even on the roster yet.

Simmons isn't the superstar AZ expected, but he's still OK. Kinda like Oliver in that regard.

I'm surprised we're rated as highly as Cincinnati to be honest. Until we beat them, they have to be considered the better team, right?

Clearly we need to add a MLB, but it may not happen until roster cuts come. Until then, one of our backups will have to man that spot. I have a feeling their plan, whatever it was, got fubar'd and they're forced to scramble for a lesser option. I'd be happy just to see an average talent at MLB. My money is on an aging veteran that gets a 1 year deal and a day 1 or 2 draft pick in 2024.

LOL speeding? Is this a joke? How come I don't get a thread when I get a ticket?

I don't know because I knew our OL was going to be a problem last year. I certainly don't see us as SB favorites now unless a few more pieces fall into place. This team is still good, but I suspect we'll take a step back in 2023.

I'll be absolutely amazed if Torrence isn't a day 1 starter. I also think he will light a fire under the collective backsides of the other Offensive Linemen. As far as Brown becoming "real nasty" goes, I'll believe it when I see it and I'm not holding my breath. He still has a ridiculously long way to go and remains among the worst starting RT's if not the very worst. Some say Quessenberry is worse, but I just don't see it.

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

He has been hurt, but he's certainly played at a higher level than Brown up to now. I understand he's set a price for teams to talk to him, but eventually reality will set in. If Brown makes a good step up, so much the better. Dalton Risner is still out there too if we're so inclined, but they're already commited to McGovern it appears. I think Dawkins - Risner/McGovern - Morse/Bates - Torrence/Bates - Wynn/Brown looks much better than last year's OL. I doubt either of these signings will happen, but either one would be nice.

We have 2 solid NT's now. Ford is every bit as good as Jones too. Neither is great, but still...

Solid move. If Harris can't go, we still have a capable power funner.