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Just as a reference, his Madden rating hasn't budged at all this year due to plays like the one Sal highlights in the article. I still think he has a bright future, though. We'll just have to wait to see how high his ceiling is.

Hindsight is golden.

The defense plays well. We already know we aren't going to score more than 10 points on that side of the ball unless the D gets a lot of turnovers, so let's hope the defense looks good. A run game would be icing on the cake.

I have a different perspective on some of this because of my age. I've learned to take the long view. I wouldn't be so quick to dump K Benjamin or C Clay as many of you are. They are still our 2 best receivers and our QB's definitely have to shoulder a big part of the blame for their lack of production as well as the coaches. I'd like us to add a great WR with world class speed on the outside opposite Benjamin and a great slot WR to replace Jones and then let's see if Allen can raise his game. I'd make a trade with Shady to draft his replacement, but only if we can get a fairly high 2nd round pick or better. Fix the rest of the offense and I think he can still be great for a couple more years. Rebuild the OL. Get a new LT and move Dawkins to RT. Definitely get a new C and 1 starting G. Then let Teller and Miller and Ducasse fight for the other starting spot. On defense, Murphy is average at best, so I have no problem replacing him and I doubt Shaq will be resigned. I'd very much like to keep Hughes, though. We also need another great CB to play outside. As far as Kyle's replacement goes, It might be Harry Phillips, but we'll have to wait and see how he progresses. Clearly we need to look for Lorenzo's replacement. As far as our young players go, Edmunds is still a concern. He hasn't played very well. He isn't awful, but despite what his coaches say about him, I don't see any real progress from him or Zay Jones. Taron Johnson is a keeper, though. Maybe draft a CB in late rounds to develop and possibly challenge him. Phillips may become a starter, but he can at least be solid backup. And then it mostly comes down to Allen. We are still waiting to see if he will be boom or bust or maybe just ordinary.

I just played a computer vs computer in simulation mode on Madden 19 with the latest roster updates and my sliders. The defense kept us in the game and even took the lead on an 84 yard pick 6 by T White in the 3rd, but the Pats scored 16 unanswered points in the 4th to win it 23-10. K Benjamin had 1 catch for 5 yards and 5 drops LOL. Anderson was awful. Shady caught 9 passes. Hughes and Murphy each had a sack.

Anyone that says no is lying.If you are posting on a Bills msg board in your spare time, clearly you are having fun or you'd be doing something else in your spare time.

QB is the most important position, but this thread makes it sound like the only position. I do agree that Allen is a huge gamble with a very suspect past at Wyoming. There is no early indication that he'll succeed. The 2 most important qualities for an NFL QB are accuracy and the ability to make smart, quick decisions. Allen has not demonstrated either of these qualities in his rookie year. Football smarts and IQ are not the same thing and innacuracy is seldom fixed. I'm still hopeful, though.

Stop whining.

Heck, even Murph and Chris Brown were saying this last year -- that the Bills would take a step back this year while eating dead money and bringing along a rookie QB. I think it's the people that were clueless and expected the opposite that are doing all the whining now. I'm fine with a rebuild, but all this whining and crying and the calls to blow it up and start over again before we've even seen the results of the current total organizational rebuild are annoying. Some folks just need to get a life. No doubt their perspective will be equally wacked when we start signing all those FA's in a few months.

Well, we look like the worst team in the NFL now, but we beat the Vikings on the road. I hope we don't embarass ourselves too much.

Because we like starting all over every 2 years to ensure we never get anywhere.

Let's not give away any future draft capital please. We're rebuilding and we'd have to give up serious young talent for what? To try to 'save' this season? No thanks. Ride this one out and put those 10 draft picks and cap space to good use. Keep your eyes on the horizon.

You mean they STILL haven't fired Whaley?! Seriously though, can we at least whine about something that's factually accurate?

Our punter isn't anywhere near the best on our roster. Failed thread.

Already whining about next year too?

Hey, I have this from a very valid source. Hot off the press. Don't tell anyone because apparently many posters here haven't heard this news. We're REBUILDING!!!

22-13 Colts. Anderson makes a few nice throws, but is intercepted 2 times and gets sacked a bunch. Neither team runs with authority. J Mills has his worst outing to date as J Sheard has multiple sacks. Clay has a nice game.

We'll need to get a great outside CB and replace Kyle and Lorenzo soon. I'm pretty sure this next offseason will be dedicated to surrounding Allen with talent, but Harry Phillips should be solid, so it's quite possible the defense could be even better next year. Having an offense that keeps the defense off the field and lets the defense play with a lead would be a big help too.

Somehow, people have missed the most important point. We're rebuilding. Also, I'm happy for Woods and Goodwin, but they weren't worth crap when they played here. They're pretty good now, but still not probowl worthy. Perhaps you'd like Whaley back too. Be patient. They've put a decent defense together and will have a ton of cap space and draft picks coming up. I agree they made some mistakes, but every GM has hits and misses. You also left out the end of the 17 year skid mark laid by so many others.

I wouldn't blame him. If he had good talent around him for a change, he'd have his best production to date. He'll never be elite, but he did earn a probowl berth a 2-3 years back.

I lived in LA and they don't really care about the NFL. It's nothing like Buffalo. They should never have left San Diego, but the fans have no say in it. St. Louis would also be a better option. OSHA? I doubt it. They only use these uberexpensive stadiums once a week during football season. I think the "need" for new stadiums is exaggerated. I'd imagine ours is still structurally sound. The AFL was not a minor league. They won 2 of the first 4 SB's.

As far as reading defenses or making quick, correct decisions goes, I'd give him time. If his accuracy is still really bad, then keep drafting QB's, but never again draft a QB with poor accuracy. What is your problem? Seriously. WTF?

We'd be 2-4. He sucked and that's why he's gone.

Understood. I just think there's not going to be anything available until after the season and I don't want them giving away draft capital to try to 'save' this season. I'm also getting tired of all the whining.

6 games into his career and you're already throwing him under the bus? Maybe give him some time and surround him with talent next year?