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That’s about right for me... I wouldn’t cry foul for anything at about 10 down to about 20 which is huuuuge praise when you start thinking about how many backs are out there. It’s not a particularly rare body type or skill set - so to really distinguish yourself from the masses takes a lot. the only spot I might push back is that 1500 more touches isn’t just simply an “oh he has more opportunity” but is a real credit to his ability to stay healthy long term with a heavy workload.

I don’t remember who but one of the reporters said they were told this was a joke? the problem is- if we want to spend to replace him he can unretire and blow up our cap at any drug fueled whim.

What’s your 10 and how High is TT?

Top 10 all time? I’ll say no... Top 20-25? Sure juice, brown, Campbell, Walter, sayers, Dickerson, sanders, LT, Faulk and Peterson off hand... I’m sure I forget 2-3 that could be in the 10

Or at least we throw enough logical guesses and soooomething comes true

Many say Rosens the best pure passer, and a lot put mayfield 2. That said, to pretend Darnold is like your hs rb lobbing option passes doesn’t make your argument sound rational.

There was a night earlier this week where he legit was on twitter pretty much the entire night too. He’s really been all over the place.

Ive Long said the same around here. Would be great for benchmarking

2 year 20 million with 8m bonus, 2m salary and 10 next year is only a 6m hit this year. Which we can 100% afford. Now if we want him and what’s the real price are different but we can afford him easily

I’m willing to go to 2, but won’t complain should they have intel that says 5 or 7 is totally fine to get a guy they are confident about.

Imagine without them

Plus it could be getting healthy/recovery but he claims to have been tested 73 times in his career and completely blind sided by the news. Who knows... odds are he took something but odds are he wasn’t taking snaps September 2018 anyway

Youre kind of blending though, no? If we believe this one that says it’s mayfield or Rosen, and combine it with that one that says it’s allen.... at that point is it hearing what you want and ignoring discrepancies out of two already sketchy sources and just running with it? Truly no offense there- I’ve been guilty of just that before.

Maybe- it just seems in many cases a team in the top few spots is either yes or no on the qb... there’s rarely a lot of “I think he’s my franchise guy but if I could get a rb and a day two lineman instead....”

But if the giants want Darnold badly all they have to say is no to letting Cleveland still get their guy at two.... unless Cleveland is fine waiting til 4 to take what’s left. The giants potentially wanting Darnold seems like a monkey wrench in the trade to 1 to get Darnold plan here.

So you think that Cleveland and the giants are 100% all in on Cleveland to two? Or are they willing to trade out of 1 and hope Allen’s there at 4?

It means someone likely showed him or he saw here and thought it was a fine enough way to get some traffic this afternoon

So the browns go from 1&4 to 2&12..... theres several more day two picks we give up if not next years 1st for us to finance that move. What is the incentive for us to get to 1 if neither 1 or 2 wants Darnold? At that point we could let them take Allen first and spend less moving up

It sounds like you live live with your head in the sand. Again, agree with him or not on the police issue, he’s been active in the community with his time and money. Apparently acknowledging that reality is a liberal stance? Heres some personal donations and also collectives he’s organized: http://kaepernick7.com/million-dollar-pledge/ Also going to low income schools, the 100 suits for 100 men project to help men dress the part for getting better jobs... so on and so forth... the kneeling i dont mind (don’t gung ho support but not offended and do think we deserve more from our criminal justice system).... the pig socks were immature and inappropriate. His work off the field is generally admirable.

The anthem, the flags and flyovers... it’s all political display. I think he’s refering to fan support.

Hes done a ton, and relatively quietly, in his free time. Whether or not you agree with his stance I think it’s unfair to act like it’s a hollow look at me position.

Not that it matters in the legal case but didn’t he previously say he would stand if signed?

“You two are gay together” ”you two totally hook up” ”are you two going to wear matching outfits” “how dare anyone think that my last comment was inappropriate” Again, I don’t care, and i wouldn’t have commented if not for your lame defense if it - ultimately it reflects on you not me when you’ve made those comments. But even if last nights was just a bff joke you can’t be shocked someone would think otherwise after you’ve made the other comments previously. It takes the smallest amount of self awareness, common sense and owning of mistakes to understand that... but we all have things we struggle with. In ritchies case, it’s erratic behavior for some 30 years. I know you are all in on any possible discussion of that being wild accusations, misunderstandings or others faults. Firing his agent via twitter was nonsensical. His retirement is part of his time with us and it was spotty. He apologized for the Jax incident that you claim never happened. He’s not been his worst here but he’s not been perfect. And im not insisting the rookie start, but... I hope he’s our best qb and I hope our best qb starts. You are the one saying bubble wrap him this year because a guard retired. Now that it’s been pointed out as ridiculous it’s shifted to claiming im insisting you must start the rookie immediately instead of just owning that “don’t play the rookie” is a ridiculous stance in the wake of this announcement.

If the president doesn’t interject it likely disappears. Remember when no franchise could possibly handle the media pressure of signing Ritchie incognito? It’s pretty much always exaggerated