NoSaint

It really is remarkable how bad the current group is in such a pass centric league, and expecting a young qb. it feels like we have a borderline 1 and borderline 3 and a few 5-7. We need to add a starter and a guy that can play heavy snaps off the bench (and one of those to have speed) to even be a functional unit...

Not the answer but as a depth guy would you like to see the bills offer Willie Snead if his tender is pulled? Go to camp with something like: Benjamin zay rookie with speed (day 2) snead reilly holmes streeter i still want one reliable guy for depth and one speedy wild card added in the group.

Yea, if you can’t see it at the combine, pro day or on film — I’m not sure how much you’re really going to see in a workout. I can see benchmarking once or twice but for a bunch of teams individually is silly I dig a visit to get to get to know a guy, give a physical etc... but to make him run drills is kind of silly to me. You should be able to tell what you need to tell by now unless something out of the ordinary has come up (say an injury and showing you’ve recovered for instance)

Would be kind of a jerk move to do that via twitter

Generally would agree on all fronts

Why would he think suspension and not just “hey we will give you a little reward up front for you doing this pay cut” Or maybe it’s that he’s upset from something else they are representing him on or maybe he felt good doing this and the agent pushed him not to

Thats like the 70th highest paid wr. Could you get a safer guy? Yea. But with the risk comes potential reward.

Cap hit this year is $2.6m if traded which is a bigger risk than the pick... and still not a big risk really the pick could turn into a higher comp down the line with his expiring contract depending on how the plus minus goes (the next offseason should see signings)

Yea but sometimes situations get dicey and it happens. Not sure if either side is completely soured here but I suppose possible it could happen

He should be a decent player there. Not a guy that scares me but productive and gives them some breathing room when the inevitable injury or two come during the season

Late round? Why not?

Does he covet draft picks or did he covet ammunition to get a qb?

If we ignored all the extra picks and I said we come out of round 1 2018 with our top qb, an and all pro WR and still had a round 2 pick and two round 3 picks but it cost us a 1 and 2 next year.... you’d love it. That we accumulated so many extra picks changes the equation a little bit. We can target guys we want without it crippling our pipeline of talent. I don’t think he expects to get three starters that deep... but a rb in the 5th could contribute right away and it’s not crazy to think either a corner or DB could be a rotational guy down the line.

I think acknowledging he didn’t know the game, didn’t study the game and left himself completely unprepared is quite a bit of that. Noting that the team somehow missed that and didn’t do much to fix it is also (as far as we know) part of the story. Not a perfect quote or something you are dreaming to see but in the context of where he may be it isn’t that unreasonable i was one of his harshest critics, but would tap the breaks before blowing this out of proportion

Right but when it won you a heisman and got you picked in the first do you think you have to change? The browns shouldve known who he was and planned accordingly. Similarly - if considering him now you need to expect a learning curve on and off the field. You have to build a support system.... but if paying 180m to a roster what’s a couple bucks for some specialists to devise customized plans for guys

Did you expect a guy with 25 years of baggage to sober up and not be a bit clumsy at times? ignoring the finer points of HIM as we don’t actually know any of them.... you can’t expect immediate perfection out of guys like this.

Why would you do that?

A tweet like that sure will start the rumor mill

What do you want to hear from him? “I suck and should probably sell cars” isn’t a reasonable expectation

I’ll even say it concerns me he couldn’t get that power if I’m evaluating his skill set... if you can’t get bosses to empower you that can be an issue from both ends... but yea- outside of qb it was an incredibly talented roster for how often we changed philosophy without him picking the coaches

Because you wouldnt simply look look at who is the best at playing qb today nor would you only using today’s metrics . The context would be their impact in their own era. Not who is most well known at this moment. A guy could be hugely controversial 40 years ago but not well known by kids today.

When you can’t pick the coach you can’t set the vision.... all you can do is stock talent

That graham trade also netted max unger- a high quality player

Im sure they have some idea... but what if a curveball happens? Come draft day what if NE offers up a massive package? Or the QBs slide more than expected? Or you have a deal roughly in place for 3 and the jets jump in for example? spending time with guys that you think will be big time players is always productive on some level

Plus you could see him at a division rival and it’s not terrible to have extra insight and you can ask him questions about both teammates and opponents during the visit