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Did Lamar's 3rd MVP chances die in KC yesterday? That performance in the 4:25 window with a national audience certainly feels like it. He would have been fine losing, but 2 turnovers, a suspect injury and safety benching sure seems like it.

Hahahahahahahaha. What a response. Sit down Round&round and read. So when people engage in activity bad for the general public, they can be prosecuted and given a penalty for it. By the way, notice how the thread has been hijacked from the original story Hmmmm. What We Know About the Shooting and Fire at a Michigan Church At least four people were killed after an attacker opened fire at a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint building and intentionally set fire to the structure. The gunman crashed a vehicle into the building, (outlaw cars !!) then began shooting at congregants who were attending Sunday services, the police said. Fire soon consumed the church, as well. Officers responded within a minute to reports of the shooting. Eight minutes later, the shooter was dead after exchanging gunfire with the police, the authorities said. Investigators believe the fire was fueled by gasoline or another accelerant. Three makeshift explosives were also recovered, said James Deir, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Who is the suspect? The gunman was identified by the authorities as Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40, of nearby Burton, Mich. Mr. Sanford, who also went by Jake, used an assault-style rifle in the shooting, the authorities said. He graduated from a nearby high school in 2004 and then enlisted in the Marines, serving four years, including a deployment to Iraq in 2007. {snip} The Michigan attack adds to a growing list of recent assaults on American religious institutions. Two children were killed by an assailant at a Catholic school in Minneapolis in August. In July, two women were fatally shot and two others were wounded on the grounds of a church in Lexington, Ky. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/us/michigan-mormon-church-shooting-fire.html

Agreed. A "reasoned decision" means one that doesn't rely on such biases, and that's what a trained judge will do well. It is why I liked doing appeals work - no juries in an appellate court. Juries can convict people based on things like "he wouldn't look me straight in the eye." That kind of "reasoning" is a slam-dunk appeal win if a judge relies on it. We have much to learn from the Swedens of the world.

Man, winning that 1st game was such a big deal. It seems like the Ravens have spiraled since then (and on paper, I think they're the better team). Feels like that could have been us, and instead we're sitting at 4-0.

I agree, this is a very big game in the grand scheme of things. Vrabel is a meathead but his teams have a knack for getting into the Bills' heads. They will be physical and I think Buffalo will have a hard time with them if they play like they did against Miami and the Saints. Ultimately I think they win but this is going to be one of those 24-20 games - lower scoring than we have been seeing and much closer than most expect. I see the current line is -7.5, the smart money would be on NE* to cover that.

The vibe across the entire Ravens team is off right now. Fans were talking about how even long time veteran leaders who are always Rah-Rah guys were even hanging their heads when walking off the field early in the game. Lamar started with an INT, and then his own version of the Butt (Back) Fumble. And then he saw starters dropping to injuries. And the vibe kept getting worse. So he came up with an "injured hamstring". The mental weakness isnt just a Lamar problem, but that is certainly a place to start, as with any franchise QB. Henry's reaction after his fumble in the Lions game was unbelievable. I was surprised there were no other vets going to him to pick him up, and instead everyone let him throw himself down on the bench and then pace around wide-eyed saying "oh my god, oh my god". Between the playoff loss, and then week 1... Josh basically broke the Ravens franchise. With a little help from the Lions last week.

Once again Gwar is snubbed for the halftime show because the NFL are cowards. It would be the greatest half time show of all time. For real though, Bad Bunny is a popular choice and it makes sense as he'll draw in an important demographic for the NFL. Not for me, but anyone who grouses about the Super Bowl half time show seriously needs to get some perspective.

You won’t win this with me Gunner. Ultimately all final decisions rest with McDermott. He needs to fix it .

What skews it even further is we have given up 178 rushing yards to QBs through 4 games and one of those games is 10 yards to Tua. The other 3 games have been 70 to Lamar, and 49 each to Fields and Rattler. That 44.5 yards a game to QBs that pads those rush numbers. The total of 657 rush yards equals out to just over 165 years a game given up. That leaves about 122 yards per game given up to RBs. That's still high but again, as you pointed out week 1 skews it a bit with Henry exploding for 169. They actually contained Breece Hall well and don't do awful against Achane.

Did you see that... like its seems like a requirement for these guys to be jacked.

Officiating dude had biceps so who are we to question. Groot or AJ are prolly going to be IR stashed.

Dorian strong was one on one outside on the third saints drive, they threw a swing pass to kamara and strong fought through the wr block and tackled kamara out of bounds for two yards. that was a really nice play. So far in the first half watching this Walker fires off the ball unlike any other defensive lineman. Ironically I have seen Jordan phillips with a similar get off also in the second quarter. The back to back sacks on the fourth drive in the second quarter Josh had guys open all over. the first one I think he felt pressure before it was actually there and played it safe...no harm in that. The second one curtis samuel was open for what would have been like a 25 yard plus play. He was running across the field while the saints blitzed and josh had no chance to get him the ball, credit the saints. Josh stepped to his right instead of moving up in the pocket which is odd for him. Would have been a huge play.

Chiefs just played against the worst defense in the NFL. Of course, offense should get their stats.

Will this insufferable, useless thread ever die?

I'm thinking the Chiefs offense is going to be just fine when Rice comes back.

Bring your brass knuckles because that game is going to be a war between them. Also TB will be Eagles light come Nov, they are no joke and just as fiesty.

I have no heartburn with the halftime performer. He's a huge name in the music biz. NFL is chasing dollars, which is it all it really cares about these days. For 15 minutes?? Damn, man, time to get the ole prostate checked.

Unless I’m getting my threads confused the post I was replying to was massively dooming about the chiefs. It is a typical spread yes that is kinda my point lol. The betting world does not believe the chiefs are some unstoppable juggernaut based on one game against an absolutely terrible defense. Jags are fine they are on the very low end of good if anything. I wish I bet more I coulda retired after yesterday lol chiefs over ravens is free money I was saying it all week

We've all played with or seen that guy who suddenly starts limping or grabbing his shoulder when things are bleakest. They can't admit they just got beat. It has to be something else - an injury, the refs, the playing surface, anything but their own performance.

The Killers haven't been relevant in like 20 years. Man, people this out of touch with popular music should really sit this one out.

Mahomes was a 1st round bust his rookie year.

The sad part about the trade is Worthy is exactly the player that this team needs and we did not get fair value

Good ol' Bill. Now that man knew how to lie, because the lies were arguably not even lies. It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is. Trump can only dream of such hair-splitting eloquence.

Worthy looked good... against a defense that Coleman scored on and had 112 yards... Not concerns with the Worthy/Coleman deal.