GG Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 can't confirm whether Vick in Buffalo. CAN confirm that Bills aren't interested. jw Did you read that on Ralph's Facebook page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Hey, not fair asking a real football question during journalism slamming. But, my answer is yes, because he's probably the best available option right now as I'm less than thrilled about the QB position. I thought that Garcia would have been the best choice in FA (of course that would have meant that TO wouldn't have come here). Exactly. Our quarterbacks, after Trent Edwards, are obviously lacking and the "what if" scenario if Trent happens to go down for any number of games is not at all encouraging. All other options should be getting consideration, and Vick should be at or near the top of the list based on talent alone. If and how much this talent has depreciated over the last 2 years that he's been out of football, and his ability to understand and run our offense are still major questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Did you read that on Ralph's Facebook page? no. i did things the old-fashioned way and actually talked to someone who might know. but that's me, a throwback kinda guy. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 no. i did things the old-fashioned way and actually talked to someone who might know. but that's me, a throwback kinda guy. jw Well, that settles it. Everyone back to your regularly scheduled ________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 no. i did things the old-fashioned way and actually talked to someone who might know. but that's me, a throwback kinda guy. jw I guess it's on the Internet now, so it must be true. But, now on to the next question. Who is the QB that they are targeting and was Chris Brown close with his speculation on Frerotte & Griese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 can't confirm whether Vick in Buffalo. CAN confirm that Bills aren't interested. jw Well, that's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Exactly. Our quarterbacks, after Trent Edwards, are obviously lacking and the "what if" scenario if Trent happens to go down for any number of games is not at all encouraging. All other options should be getting consideration, and Vick should be at or near the top of the list based on talent alone. If and how much this talent has depreciated over the last 2 years that he's been out of football, and his ability to understand and run our offense are still major questions. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but please guys consider the facts on Vick's NFL performance first. He had talent but has underperformed in the NFL (check my earlier posts for clarification). He would be in competition for the backup position. I am not sold on Trent Edwards yet, but his stats so far are better than Vick's and show no reason why TE should compete with Vick for the starting job. And this was before he 'left' the NFL. Given the baggage that comes with Vick, I would be in favor of getting a different QB to back Trent up such as a Griese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Sorry to sound like a broken record, but please guys consider the facts on Vick's NFL performance first. He had talent but has underperformed in the NFL (check my earlier posts for clarification). He would be in competition for the backup position. I am not sold on Trent Edwards yet, but his stats so far are better than Vick's and show no reason why TE should compete with Vick for the starting job. And this was before he 'left' the NFL. Given the baggage that comes with Vick, I would be in favor of getting a different QB to back Trent up such as a Griese. Where in my OP did I mention anything at all about a starting quarterback competition between Vick and Trent if Vick was to be brought in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/235557-...come-to-buffalo Just posted an hour ago. I don't know if I buy "The Bleacher Report", but I figured i'd share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 no. i did things the old-fashioned way and actually talked to someone who might know. but that's me, a throwback kinda guy. jw Thanks John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 can't confirm whether Vick in Buffalo. CAN confirm that Bills aren't interested. jw Thanks - much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...ituation-again/ ...and the plot thickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I may be in the minority here but I am really hoping the Bills sign Vick. He would add another dimension to the offense. Anyone say "Wildcat"? Why not use him 10-15 plays a game? I think Vick would help any team that signs him. We could have a really explosive offense as it is, even more so with another weapon. i watched Fitzpatrick try and run, he may be even slower than Drew Bledsoe. If Edwards gets hurt, Vick would be a better option than Fitzpatrick. So there are my two reasons I am for it. Negative publicity if the Bills did sign him? Who really gives a crap? Buffalo is not highly thought of anywhere else as it is. Playoffs or bust. You know, this would be the only decade in history that the Bills did not make the playoffs if they miss this year. Got to do whatever it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...ituation-again/ ...and the plot thickens. I'm at work, so I can't play the video. What do they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 good article on 550.com from nick mendola- i think he completely covers all bases http://www.wgr550.com/So-What-About-This-Guy-/4999470 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdro22 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 no. i did things the old-fashioned way and actually talked to someone who might know. but that's me, a throwback kinda guy. jw I dont think vick is coming here but who are you? Some insider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peevo Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 John Wawrow writes for Associated Press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Where in my OP did I mention anything at all about a starting quarterback competition between Vick and Trent if Vick was to be brought in? True and I agree you did not. Perhaps I should not have quoted you specifically when posted. I just don't want even the vague drift of the thread to go towards a starting job competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Thanks John. I dunno. We'll see how it plays out but it seems like Brandon's tone has softened up about this recently too. Saying we're not interested at this time isn't saying we're not interested. From a logitics standpoint it makes sense to sign him on Sunday. You let Baker get reps on Saturday then cut him Sunday for the roster spot. You may even be able to PUP Vick at which point he wouldn't even cost you a spot (but he couldn't play in PS - but would he really anyway?) He's eligible to come off that in week 6 which is about when he'll be reinstated anyway so unless you want him on the field for the last 2 PS games it doesn't hurt you from a roster standpoint. Hamdan stays around til Week 6 then Vick becomes the #2 or 3 QB. If I were a GM I'd want to be fairly cagey about interest in Vick as well. Once confirmed interest becomes public the price goes up. The longer teams can perpetuate the myth that nobody is really that interested the lower the price gets. Plus, why start the inevitable firestorm early? Deal with the backlash if you sign him, why take heat now just for confirming you're interested? it's in the team's best interest to keep any dealing with Vick as low key as possible. Since the Bills signed TO I won't beleive that they aren't interested until he signs somewhere else. Last year I'd have said no chance in hell. now? I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I'm at work, so I can't play the video. What do they say? Jim Nantz thinks Vick will sign as soon as today. He didn't say which team, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I'm at work, so I can't play the video. What do they say? Florio actually makes a very good point, that teams are almost always going to say no, they are not interested, just in case they arent the ones that finally make the deal with him. Because the downside of saying they want this bad guy will hurt their PR and there is no reason to do that. He thinks it will end up being a team that has already said no. There was no mention of Buffalo in the clip. I do think, however, that Dungy and Jauron probably have enormous respect for one another, and Dungy lobbying Jauron on what he believes about Vick could have a big influence on the Bills. I wouldn't rule the Bills out, I just don't think there is a very good chance. I, for one, would like to see it, and I am a huge dog lover who just hated what Vick did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdro22 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 John Wawrow writes for Associated Press. Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 If Warrow says there is no interest, then case closed. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 If Warrow says there is no interest, then case closed. Thank God. You trust him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 You trust him? More than I trust Mopreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 If Warrow says there is no interest, then case closed. Thank God. who knew TO was going to be a buffalo bill until it happened? nobody. i'm not saying mr warrow is incorrect, but it wouldnt be the first time a misinformation campaign has taken place in sports. even the teams that are actually interested in the guy are denying it. in dealing with millions of dollars, i'd deny everything until the deal is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 who knew TO was going to be a buffalo bill until it happened? nobody. i'm not saying mr warrow is incorrect, but it wouldnt be the first time a misinformation campaign has taken place in sports. even the teams that are actually interested in the guy are denying it. in dealing with millions of dollars, i'd deny everything until the deal is done Misinformation happens all the time, but if the Bills management is intentionally misleading a beat reporter by saying off the record that they have NO interest in Vick, then it would be a very bad move by whoever gave that info to John if they are in fact negotiating with him. There is zero benefit to the Bills in saying NO, because no one will take that official seriously the next time. And there will be the next time when that team official will need the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 True and I agree you did not. Perhaps I should not have quoted you specifically when posted. I just don't want even the vague drift of the thread to go towards a starting job competition. I agree wholeheartedly. That would be a ridiculous notion. Well, to most around here, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Misinformation happens all the time, but if the Bills management is intentionally misleading a beat reporter by saying off the record that they have NO interest in Vick, then it would be a very bad move by whoever gave that info to John if they are in fact negotiating with him. There is zero benefit to the Bills in saying NO, because no one will take that official seriously the next time. And there will be the next time when that team official will need the press. How was it off the record if JW just told us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 How was it off the record if JW just told us? Because there was no attribution to a source, but a strong hint that John spoke to somebody up high in the organization who's in the know. Again, the source could be lying or doesn't know the full story. But it wouldn't do him any good long-term to lie to JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Misinformation happens all the time, but if the Bills management is intentionally misleading a beat reporter by saying off the record that they have NO interest in Vick, then it would be a very bad move by whoever gave that info to John if they are in fact negotiating with him. There is zero benefit to the Bills in saying NO, because no one will take that official seriously the next time. And there will be the next time when that team official will need the press. Not necessarily. Let's just say that a month ago when this came up, the Bills brass spoke about it and decided that Vick is an intriguing player, and could help the team, but we probably don't want to make the move because we like our starter not having someone over his shoulder and we have to see if Trent is our guy this year. Plus, Vick is a big risk. So there are five good things about having him on the team but five bad things about having him on the team, and it's just not worth it right now. End of story. Brandon tells reporters we're just not interested right now and it's correct. A month goes by and two things happen. Fitzpatrick looks like crap in camp. The coaches and brass are now worried that if Trent goes down they don't have a stopgap they have an impending disaster. This leads them to be sniffing around for other quarterbacks. Second, Tony Dungy comes a calling, especially to Jauron. He says I am now deeply involved with Mike Vick and I can assure you he is not a bad guy. I think he could really help you guys and is willing to play a back-up role to get his life and career back on track. I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't believe it, and he is not demanding a long term deal or a lot of money. Suddenly they revisit the concept and Jauron and Ralph say the same thing about TO, if it makes us better, why not roll the dice? It's not that far fetched a scenario and it doesn't mean anyone is spreading misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Misinformation happens all the time, but if the Bills management is intentionally misleading a beat reporter by saying off the record that they have NO interest in Vick, then it would be a very bad move by whoever gave that info to John if they are in fact negotiating with him. There is zero benefit to the Bills in saying NO, because no one will take that official seriously the next time. And there will be the next time when that team official will need the press. If it was off the record, John wouldn't have posted that here. Big difference between "off the record," "on background," and simply "not for attribution." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 without going into detail, i'm sticking with what i posted. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 without going into detail, i'm sticking with what i posted. jw No offense, but there's a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 You trust him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 without going into detail, i'm sticking with what i posted. jw Sorry Vick lovers - that's all she wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 who knew TO was going to be a buffalo bill until it happened? nobody. i'm not saying mr warrow is incorrect, but it wouldnt be the first time a misinformation campaign has taken place in sports. even the teams that are actually interested in the guy are denying it. in dealing with millions of dollars, i'd deny everything until the deal is done in regards to TO, some of us in the media did. i was told hours before the signing that there was more truth than rumor to the speculation of the Bills' interest in Owens. i didn't have enough to go on to write, but started preparing for the possibility. in the case of Vick, i'm being told differently. and i'm not writing anything on the wire only because there is nothing new to report, because the Bills position on Vick has not changed. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 in regards to TO, some of us in the media did. i was told hours before the signing that there was more truth than rumor to the speculation of the Bills' interest in Owens. i didn't have enough to go on to write, but started preparing for the possibility.in the case of Vick, i'm being told differently. and i'm not writing anything on the wire only because there is nothing new to report, because the Bills position on Vick has not changed. jw Good enough for me. thx, jw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 funny, this still hasn't stopped the speculation. just got back from lunch with two colleagues. one, at the beginning of lunch, got a text from someone saying they know someone who saw Vick and T.O. at the airport. the other one got a text from someone saying they know someone who knows that Vick is in Rochester. i can confirm that Alonzo Mourning was in Rochester last night. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBills Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I heard from a good source that the Bills are close to a deal. I hear the deal is done and is waiting on a physical to be passed. No financial info but is 2 year deal. I dont believe this rumor but my source has always been reliable. I guess we will soon see. I will try to get some more info from him. Like I said just a rumor right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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