Saudis tell Bush to go F himself

[Alaska Darin]

gee, all these years I'm deluding myself (with the all the other unwashed lemmings) into thinking I live in a democracy. Now I learn that quoting Abraham Lincoln is nothing but soundbytes. Color me indefensible...

So you recognize Lincoln as a great leader. Great enough to quote him. A man who went against the will of the people because it was the right thing for the country in the long run.

 

I knew if I pushed the right buttons you'd step all over your dick. Thanks for playing.

[Wacka]

So you heard that commercial too huh?

 

Well. do you?

Any money manager that has more than two brain cells will be invested in a profitable sector such as the oil companies.

[pBills]

Well. do you?

Any money manager that has more than two brain cells will be invested in a profitable sector such as the oil companies.

 

 

Why in God's name would I mention on a message board where I place my money? What business is it of yours? And really do you think that the average joe is getting huge returns on those profits?

[pBills]

From Sky News:

 

 

Meanwhile, the world's leading producers say oil is too expensive and they plan to increase supplies.

 

A source at Opec said its 13 members were uncomfortable with the current price of crude, which last week hit a record $135 a barrel.

 

Based on present supply and demand, he said it should be fetching $60-$70 a barrel.

 

Saudi Arabia said it would increase production.

[Alaska Darin]

From Sky News:

 

 

Meanwhile, the world's leading producers say oil is too expensive and they plan to increase supplies.

 

A source at Opec said its 13 members were uncomfortable with the current price of crude, which last week hit a record $135 a barrel.

 

Based on present supply and demand, he said it should be fetching $60-$70 a barrel.

 

Saudi Arabia said it would increase production.

We've been kicking around the numbers at work and the max price based on market conditions is about $75 a barrel. The minimum is $55. So it sounds like they're done gouging the crap out of us to send their message...

[pBills]

We've been kicking around the numbers at work and the max price based on market conditions is about $75 a barrel. The minimum is $55. So it sounds like they're done gouging the crap out of us to send their message...

 

 

 

Finally realized that they were crippling the world's economy. Which of course would have a huge backlash on their pocket books. So, figuring it goes back down to maybe $85 per barrel. What does that equate to? $2 something a gallon.

[Wacka]

Why in God's name would I mention on a message board where I place my money? What business is it of yours? And really do you think that the average joe is getting huge returns on those profits?

 

 

I didn't ask what funds you own. Seems to me that you do have mutual funds and realize that you are making a profit from the oil companies and are conflicted.

I live a few miles from Chevron HQ and the idiots with no jobs were out yesterday protesting. I can bet you they don't have any money to invest in Chevron.

I've rode my bike past the HQ before and I love how Chevron has the lines painted next to the sidewalk warning do not trespass and signs stating that if one steps even an inch over the line, they will get arrested.

[pBills]

I didn't ask what funds you own. Seems to me that you do have mutual funds and realize that you are making a profit from the oil companies and are conflicted.

I live a few miles from Chevron HQ and the idiots with no jobs were out yesterday protesting. I can bet you they don't have any money to invest in Chevron.

I've rode my bike past the HQ before and I love how Chevron has the lines painted next to the sidewalk warning do not trespass and signs stating that if one steps even an inch over the line, they will get arrested.

 

 

 

I will have to see where my funds are, I do not believe they are with the oil companies. I can say that because like most people I am getting killed every quarter. If money was with the oil companies, it may not have been such a loss or a loss at all.

 

 

 

Idiots with no jobs were protesting. I am sure that even if they had money to invest, they probably wouldn't want to invest with them anyway. Who knows though if they really have jobs or not.

[Sketch Soland]

gee, all these years I'm deluding myself (with the all the other unwashed lemmings) into thinking I live in a democracy. Now I learn that quoting Abraham Lincoln is nothing but soundbytes. Color me indefensible...

 

Just stop, man.

[Wacka]

I will have to see where my funds are, I do not believe they are with the oil companies. I can say that because like most people I am getting killed every quarter. If money was with the oil companies, it may not have been such a loss or a loss at all.

 

 

 

Idiots with no jobs were protesting. I am sure that even if they had money to invest, they probably wouldn't want to invest with them anyway. Who knows though if they really have jobs or not.

 

If they had jobs they wouldn't be wasting all day standing out in front of Chevron HQ. Maybe they are those professional rent-a-mobs.

[DC Tom]

If they had jobs they wouldn't be wasting all day standing out in front of Chevron HQ. Maybe they are those professional rent-a-mobs.

 

I thought the rent-a-mobs were down here this week protesting Hillary Clinton's lack of nomination...

[BillStime]

It is PAST time to revisit the U.S.-Saudi Arabia "alliance"

 

 

 

What Has $49 Billion in Foreign Military Aid Bought Us? Not Much

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, BillStime said:

It is PAST time to revisit the U.S.-Saudi Arabia "alliance"

 

 

 

What Has $49 Billion in Foreign Military Aid Bought Us? Not Much

The royal family is backing the GOP. I mean a November production cut. The authoritarians inside and out of the country are after our democracy. The majority of GOPers are election deniers. I wonder why? 

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The royal family is backing the GOP. I mean a November production cut. The authoritarians inside and out of the country are after our democracy. The majority of GOPers are election deniers. I wonder why? 

Prince Charles?  That Royal Family?  Seems a bit odd, but if you say so. God Save the king! 

[Tommy Callahan]

Interesting tweet by him. As the  2004 Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States "found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded [Al Qaeda]" to conspire in the attacks, or that it funded the attackers, that he has many times stated he supported.

 

 

 

Seems its now the Saudi's telling Biden to get bent. So, a typical deflection to wild conspiracies for the back of the class.

 

 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The royal family is backing the GOP. I mean a November production cut. The authoritarians inside and out of the country are after our democracy. The majority of GOPers are election deniers. I wonder why? 

 

LOL!  No, they're going against Joke.  So much for all the tough talk when he wasn't President.

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  No, they're going against Joke.  So much for all the tough talk when he wasn't President.

I think its just business.  Putting on the business hat I believe what the Saudi's and OPEC+ are saying to the Fed and the US is that they're not going to allow the transfer of the consequences of irresponsible US fiscal and monetary policy to be transferred to them.  Sure the US could threaten the Saudi's with removing the protection racket we provide the kingdom if they don't cooperate.  But that void would be quickly filled by either Russia or China or both.  And one consequence might be the end of the Petrodollar system which provides a quid pro quo arrangement in exchange for US protection.  And if anyone thinks inflation is high now just think how high it might go when around an annualized $25 trillion used in oil trade and settlement needs to find a new home and place to park itself.    

[sherpa]

54 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The royal family is backing the GOP. I mean a November production cut. The authoritarians inside and out of the country are after our democracy. The majority of GOPers are election deniers. I wonder why? 

 

Just for my edification, because I really want to be educated on this, the Saudi gov is backing a pro energy independent party instead of the party that makes the world more dependent on their one and only export?

 

And....they are "after our democracy?"

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

Dang this is an old thread. 

Seems like we could have done something since 08 to remove us from having to beg them for oil.

 

 

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Just for my edification, because I really want to be educated on this, the Saudi gov is backing a pro energy independent party instead of the party that makes the world more dependent on their one and only export?

 

And....they are "after our democracy?"

 

 

At least you admit it 

[sherpa]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

At least you admit it 

 

No admission. It's crazy.

 

Did you drink the water from Camp Lejeune between 1953 and 1987?

You'd have a valid case for damage.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, sherpa said:

 

No admission. It's crazy.

 

Did you drink the water from Camp Lejeune between 1953 and 1987?

You'd have a valid case for damage.

You have metal health issues, correct? 

 

You are not normal, and it shows. Seriously 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

At least you admit it 

So you believe that a country whose chief export is oil, should throw its support behind the American political party that has pledged to end the use of oil?  Yep, that sounds like a wise position for the Saudi's to take.  Sure it does!  I'll have what you're having. Bottoms up! 

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So you believe that a country whose chief export is oil, should throw its support behind the American political party that has pledged to end the use of oil?  Yep, that sounds like a wise position for the Saudi's to take.  Sure it does!  I'll have what you're having. Bottoms up! 

 That will be two shots of delusion and a chaser of idealism. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 That will be two shots of delusion and a chaser of idealism. 

What’s next? The Ukraine goes Gluten Free? 

[BillStime]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  No, they're going against Joke.  So much for all the tough talk when he wasn't President.

 

America First, right?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

This thread commenced in 2008, 14 years ago.  W Bush was president.  Some popular things in those days:

• Apple bottom jeans
• Boots with the fur with the fur9 
• The Blackeberry
• Twilight, the movie

 

14 years later, with nearly 10 of those years seeing democrat administrations and all of those 10 with Joe Biden being the first or second most powerful man on the planet....what has changed?   The Saudis etc still seem pre-inclined to tell American presidents to %$#@ off. 

 

https://english.alarabiya.net/business/energy/2022/10/05/US-criticizes-OPEC-decision-vows-to-curb-its-control-over-energy-prices

 

Maybe we need to elect better leaders? 

 

[Tiberius]

 

[Tenhigh]

14 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

America First, right?

Yes, its called the petrodollar. If it goes away, it will change America's place in the world. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

So…the president has the authority to act immediately…has had the authority to act immediately since Jan 2021…was VP under Obama who had the authority to send this statement for 8 years…and the Post quotes Dick Durbin  (a highly influential senator since 1997) as saying “it’s time” to send the Saudis a message…and the message should come just before the midterms…because fuel prices are high during a time when the Dems have worked for exactly this type of scenario for decades? 
 

High energy prices;

The push for a move to green energy;

American dependence on Saudi oil;

Dems control the WH, Senate and Congress;

 

You’re allowed to question the narrative Tibs, and recognize that the Trumpian push toward American energy independence wasn’t all bad. Anyway, why wouldn’t Biden just pull the trigger?  
 

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

Oil is necessary to fight a war, collectively the Russkies and Saudi criminals have a great deal to control access. 

Biden rejected oil from Canada which gave Putin the chance for the choke hold.

So, America must establish supply lines from Canada and SA to stay safe. Nato must find a way to keep warm or Putin wins.

If nukes get used....who gives a flying F.

[Tiberius]

29 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

So…the president has the authority to act immediately…has had the authority to act immediately since Jan 2021…was VP under Obama who had the authority to send this statement for 8 years…and the Post quotes Dick Durbin  (a highly influential senator since 1997) as saying “it’s time” to send the Saudis a message…and the message should come just before the midterms…because fuel prices are high during a time when the Dems have worked for exactly this type of scenario for decades? 
 

High energy prices;

The push for a move to green energy;

American dependence on Saudi oil;

Dems control the WH, Senate and Congress;

 

You’re allowed to question the narrative Tibs, and recognize that the Trumpian push toward American energy independence wasn’t all bad. Anyway, why wouldn’t Biden just pull the trigger?  
 

 

 

 

You don't care, you welcome the help of that government. They are picking your side, so you don't care. 

 

Come over and choose freedom and free government

[SoCal Deek]

24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You don't care, you welcome the help of that government. They are picking your side, so you don't care. 

 

Come over and choose freedom and free government

Gladly. And therefore the best course of action is to cut our dependency on these folks and become energy independent. Hey! Now, where have we heard that really smart energy policy before? 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Gladly. And therefore the best course of action is to cut our dependency on these folks and become energy independent. Hey! Now, where have we heard that really smart energy policy before? 

Heard? Ya, heard tons of bull. How about actions? 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Heard? Ya, heard tons of bull. How about actions? 

Even if you’re correct, which you aren’t, what’s the current administration’s plan? I mean this has become seriously whacked! Not a day goes by where we don’t hear that we’re rapidly running out of supply at the same time that we have ever-rising demand, and doing literally nothing about it; other than pinning our hopes on technology that is by all estimates decades away at the very best. Tibs…with all due respect…this is not smart! 

[T master]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Heard? Ya, heard tons of bull. How about actions? 

 

Just look back about 2 1/2 years ago and look at ho things were that might give you a clue but i highly doubt it !!

 

No body F's with Joe Biden what a joke ...

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Just look back about 2 1/2 years ago and look at ho things were that might give you a clue but i highly doubt it !!

 

No body F's with Joe Biden what a joke ...

Crazy, huh? How did Trump lose then? ha ha, I mean all the advantages and the clown still got his ass beat badly! 

 

Trump sucks! 

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Even if you’re correct, which you aren’t, what’s the current administration’s plan? I mean this has become seriously whacked! Not a day goes by where we don’t hear that we’re rapidly running out of supply at the same time that we have ever-rising demand, and doing literally nothing about it; other than pinning our hopes on technology that is by all estimates decades away at the very best. Tibs…with all due respect…this is not smart! 

Biden will find a way! 

 

This is probably a blessing, let's cut those Saudi ties sooner rather than later. 

 

The oil barons are out for our democracy and really, so are you guys 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Biden will find a way! 

 

This is probably a blessing, let's cut those Saudi ties sooner rather than later. 

 

The oil barons are out for our democracy and really, so are you guys 

So it’s your opinion that Joe Biden is going to solve cold fusion in the next 24 months? Really? I’ll have what you’re having…and it’s early in the morning on the west coast!

 

In all seriousness, this is whacked! Our leaders are playing with fire. All of the rest of this political squabbling pales in comparison to the size and scope of this  one issue. You cannot wish and hope away the problems that are going to come from it. To quote Irv…It’s going to be a HUGE mess! 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So it’s your opinion that Joe Biden is going to solve cold fusion in the next 24 months? Really? I’ll have what you’re having…and it’s early in the morning on the west coast!

 

In all seriousness, this is whacked! Our leaders are playing with fire. All of the rest of this political squabbling pales in comparison to the size and scope of this  one issue. You cannot wish and hope away the problems that are going to come from it. To quote Irv…It’s going to be a HUGE mess! 

Gotta start somewhere