Saudis tell Bush to go F himself

[SD Jarhead]

ANWR saves 75 cents and takes 10 yrs to deliver

 

You forgot this tidbit from the story "And if ANWR oil replaces foreign oil barrel-for-barrel, that means the U.S. is importing less oil, Budzik said, and fewer oil imports mean a stronger U.S. dollar."

 

Why not become less dependent on foreign sources? Liberals are the ones who want us out of the Middle East and this is one small step to help us do that. Look, I like to eat caribou as much as the next guy, and if I thought they were in some way going to be harmed by this I'd probably not be in favor of it. But what the fug?

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

You forgot this tidbit from the story "And if ANWR oil replaces foreign oil barrel-for-barrel, that means the U.S. is importing less oil, Budzik said, and fewer oil imports mean a stronger U.S. dollar."

 

Why not become less dependent on foreign sources? Liberals are the ones who want us out of the Middle East and this is one small step to help us do that. Look. I like to eat caribou as much as the next guy, and if I thought they were in some way going to be harmed by this I'd probably not be in favor of it. But what the fug?

yes, but there's many things that effect the value of the dollar and in 10 yrs, we'll probably be consuming way oil than we do now if the trends continue.

 

The problem is that historically the vast majority of American people didn't want to drill there. Not just liberals! Maybe in 2008, the sentiment might be different. I haven't looked at those polls in a while.

[Alaska Darin]

yes, but there's many things that effect the value of the dollar and in 10 yrs, we'll probably be consuming way oil than we do now if the trends continue.

 

The problem is that historically the vast majority of American people didn't want to drill there. Not just liberals! Maybe in 2008, the sentiment might be different. I haven't looked at those polls in a while.

Ooh, let's start governing by polls and let Frankenstien mobs take over the Justice system as well.

 

The reason the average American is against drilling in ANWR is they are fools without a speck of information on which to base their decision. It's that same mentality that has us in today's energy crunch. For 40 years, we've ignored doing incremental things to alleviate stress on this particular part of the infrastructure. All that ignorance has added up exponentially today.

 

People need to understand that there is no magic bullet. Just a whole buncha little common sense steps that will help a whole lot when added together. The problem is, if we start now it's still going to take 30 or more years to make serious headway - because that's how big the problem really is.

[SD Jarhead]

Well Darin, the problem's just too big so we'll just B word about it and let the next generation solve it. Because we took a poll and people just don't want to do it. We also don't want the Sierra Club upset with us, because that would stop our flow of campaign contributions, and of course we can't have that...

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

Ooh, let's start governing by polls and let Frankenstien mobs take over the Justice system as well.

 

The reason the average American is against drilling in ANWR is they are fools without a speck of information on which to base their decision. It's that same mentality that has us in today's energy crunch. For 40 years, we've ignored doing incremental things to alleviate stress on this particular part of the infrastructure. All that ignorance has added up exponentially today.

 

People need to understand that there is no magic bullet. Just a whole buncha little common sense steps that will help a whole lot when added together. The problem is, if we start now it's still going to take 30 or more years to make serious headway - because that's how big the problem really is.

This is not about some silly poll that asked a few hundred people what they thought. Every poll (except in Fl and AK) overwhelmingly said Don't Drill in ANWR. I guess there's millions of fools based on the answers that came back.

 

So, in your view of the world, our elected officials are supposed to ignore consistent, statistical evidence that the American people don't want it and authorize drilling anyways? Other than polls and voter referendums, how exactly is congress supposed to gauge public opinion on important subjects?

 

I agree it's a huge problem, it will take a lot of little things to turn this around, and we need to start now.

[Chilly]

Public opinion is only useful to a certain extent.

[Alaska Darin]

This is not about some silly poll that asked a few hundred people what they thought. Every poll (except in Fl and AK) overwhelmingly said Don't Drill in ANWR. I guess there's millions of fools based on the answers that came back.

There absolutely is. The fact that you don't think so...

So, in your view of the world, our elected officials are supposed to ignore consistent, statistical evidence that the American people don't want it and authorize drilling anyways? Other than polls and voter referendums, how exactly is congress supposed to gauge public opinion on important subjects?

It's called leadership, hero. The masses are basically unwashed lemmings who know exactly what they're spoon fed. I guarantee 90% of the people "polled" wouldn't be able to find ANWR on a map or give even cursory information about the "pristine" "wildlife" "refuge" that didn't come directly from the for profit media, some scummer lib politico, or an enviro group. Much less make any kind of informed decision.

 

So yes, were our elected "officials" competent they'd absolutely ignore the terminally stupid, driven mostly by ignorance and emotion opinion on just about every subject at their disposal. There's a reason Franklin said our form of government would be great until the people found out they could vote things for themselves.

I agree it's a huge problem, it will take a lot of little things to turn this around, and we need to start now.

You've got that much going for you.

[KD in CA]

I agree it's a huge problem, it will take a lot of little things to turn this around, and we need to start now.

 

....unless there is a public opinion poll that says otherwise.

 

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

It's called leadership, hero. The masses are basically unwashed lemmings who know exactly what they're spoon fed. I guarantee 90% of the people "polled" wouldn't be able to find ANWR on a map or give even cursory information about the "pristine" "wildlife" "refuge" that didn't come directly from the for profit media, some scummer lib politico, or an enviro group. Much less make any kind of informed decision.

 

So yes, were our elected "officials" competent they'd absolutely ignore the terminally stupid, driven mostly by ignorance and emotion opinion on just about every subject at their disposal.

Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups.

 

Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out.

[TheMadCap]

Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups.

 

Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out.

 

What AD said is absolutely true. However, I really don't want these so called "leaders" who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and selfish to have the final say on what we do. Hey wait...

[Sketch Soland]

Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups.

 

Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out.

 

Truth is a B word.

 

We don't live in a democracy.

[Chilly]

Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups.

 

Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out.

 

I thought we lived in a Republic.

[/dev/null]

I thought we lived in a Republic.

 

That's your problem not Faking a roughing's

[Alaska Darin]

Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups.

 

Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out.

We don't live in a Democracy. We live in a Representative Republic and it was set up that way for a reason. Take a fuggin' civics class.

 

And I'm not stressed out at all. I laugh at people like you.

[Alaska Darin]

What AD said is absolutely true. However, I really don't want these so called "leaders" who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and selfish to have the final say on what we do. Hey wait...

Therein lies the rub.

 

Either way, it sucks. In this case, we're lacking leadership and common sense.

[pBills]

Personally, I wish the billions and billions of dollars the oil companies were putting towards "investment" would actually start to pay off sooner or later for the average Joe. Kind of makes me wonder whose future they are investing in.

[GG]

Personally, I wish the billions and billions of dollars the oil companies were putting towards "investment" would actually start to pay off sooner or later for the average Joe. Kind of makes me wonder whose future they are investing in.

 

Unfortunately for you, they haven't perfected the ruby slippers that grant your wish if only you stomp them enough times.

[Wacka]

Personally, I wish the billions and billions of dollars the oil companies were putting towards "investment" would actually start to pay off sooner or later for the average Joe. Kind of makes me wonder whose future they are investing in.

 

 

They are. They found oil in ANWR, oil shale in ND, oil off the Florida Coast, oil off the Cali coast, but government interference has stopped them from harvesting it.

 

Blame the idiots in Washington for not having it pay off.

[pBills]

They are. They found oil in ANWR, oil shale in ND, oil off the Florida Coast, oil off the Cali coast, but government interference has stopped them from harvesting it.

 

Blame the idiots in Washington for not having it pay off.

 

 

 

 

Ok. Since research has paid off... they know where it is. What are the profits going for now?

[Alaska Darin]

Ok. Since research has paid off... they know where it is. What are the profits going for now?

Infrastructure and further development technologies. "Harvesting" oil is incredibly expensive in most places. Oh and big jets and perks for people in the industry.

 

Because they can.

[pBills]

Infrastructure and further development technologies. "Harvesting" oil is incredibly expensive in most places. Oh and big jets and perks for people in the industry.

 

Because they can.

 

 

 

Even more of a reason to change things. I love the smirks when they responded to questions in Congress. Smug a-holes.

[Alaska Darin]

Even more of a reason to change things. I love the smirks when they responded to questions in Congress. Smug a-holes.

Yeah, let's change things because for 50 years we didn't heed any warnings and for the last 20, we've basically done nothing except dick with them. How's that working out.

 

Try doing some research and not wasting time finding someone to blame.

[pBills]

Yeah, let's change things because for 50 years we didn't heed any warnings and for the last 20, we've basically done nothing except dick with them. How's that working out.

 

Try doing some research and not wasting time finding someone to blame.

 

 

 

Yes SIR!!

 

 

Ok. So research would be... yada, yada, yada - we should have drilled years ago. Yada, yada, yada - we didn't, so now we're screwed.... yada, yada, yada - screwed by the environmentalists and democrats. Talk about blaming someone.

 

It's funny though - didn't John Kerry state and get ridiculed for saying that gas prices would be moving up if nothing was done.

 

SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) / Thursday, May 6, 2004 -- Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday called for a "new direction" in the nation's energy policy as consumers face escalating gas prices, and the Bush campaign hammered the presumptive Democratic nominee as a tax-spending liberal.

[Alaska Darin]

Yes SIR!!

 

 

Ok. So research would be... yada, yada, yada - we should have drilled years ago. Yada, yada, yada - we didn't, so now we're screwed.... yada, yada, yada - screwed by the environmentalists and democrats. Talk about blaming someone.

We've been just as screwed by Republicans when it comes to energy. It's a sum game, really. Plenty of blame to go around. Way to miss the point, as usual.

It's funny though - didn't John Kerry state and get ridiculed for saying that gas prices would be moving up if nothing was done.

 

SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) / Thursday, May 6, 2004 -- Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday called for a "new direction" in the nation's energy policy as consumers face escalating gas prices, and the Bush campaign hammered the presumptive Democratic nominee as a tax-spending liberal.

Don't know, don't remember. I certainly wouldn't have disagreed with it at the time.

 

I do know that none of the current Presidential Candidates have EVER offered anything of substance on energy in their entire political careers...

 

Maybe we'll get lucky and the market will finally sort it out.

[pBills]

We've been just as screwed by Republicans when it comes to energy. It's a sum game, really. Plenty of blame to go around. Way to miss the point, as usual.

 

Don't know, don't remember. I certainly wouldn't have disagreed with it at the time.

 

I do know that none of the current Presidential Candidates have EVER offered anything of substance on energy in their entire political careers...

 

Maybe we'll get lucky and the market will finally sort it out.

 

 

 

 

Well, since I do not read every single thing that you post (that would be a daunting task) I must have missed when you changed your views. From what I remember (and I am sure you will correct if I am wrong), for the longest time it was about blaming the democrats and environmentalists.

 

You are correct about the three (really two) Presidential Candidates. None of them really have a great or solid energy policy. Personally, I believe we're going to see gas continue to go higher. No reason for OPEC to increase output, no politician is really doing anything of substance and every time there is a sniff of drama in the world the market gets scared. No matter what we're screwed.

[Alaska Darin]

Well, since I do not read every single thing that you post (that would be a daunting task) I must have missed when you changed your views. From what I remember (and I am sure you will correct if I am wrong), for the longest time it was about blaming the democrats and environmentalists.

I've never changed my views. And if you're talking about ANWR, it's mostly about Democrats and environmentalists (though John McCain and a few other choice Republicrats can certainly be looped in with the other retards). Perhaps that's where you're confused. Energy policy is a hell of a lot bigger than just ANWR...

You are correct about the three (really two) Presidential Candidates. None of them really have a great or solid energy policy. Personally, I believe we're going to see gas continue to go higher. No reason for OPEC to increase output, no politician is really doing anything of substance and every time there is a sniff of drama in the world the market gets scared. No matter what we're screwed.

Tough to argue with that, especially in the short term.

[pBills]

I've never changed my views. And if you're talking about ANWR, it's mostly about Democrats and environmentalists (though John McCain and a few other choice Republicrats can certainly be looped in with the other retards). Perhaps that's where you're confused. Energy policy is a hell of a lot bigger than just ANWR...

 

Tough to argue with that, especially in the short term.

 

 

 

Holy crap. We pretty much agreed.

[Alaska Darin]

Holy crap. We pretty much agreed.

So you're not wrong about everything. WTG, man!

[pBills]

So you're not wrong about everything. WTG, man!

 

 

 

About time you realized that.

[Andrew in CA]

We've been just as screwed by Republicans when it comes to energy. It's a sum game, really. Plenty of blame to go around. Way to miss the point, as usual.

 

Don't know, don't remember. I certainly wouldn't have disagreed with it at the time.

 

I do know that none of the current Presidential Candidates have EVER offered anything of substance on energy in their entire political careers...

 

Maybe we'll get lucky and the market will finally sort it out.

I think it's the only thing that will.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

We don't live in a Democracy. We live in a Representative Republic and it was set up that way for a reason. Take a fuggin' civics class.

 

And I'm not stressed out at all. I laugh at people like you.

wrong burger breath, it's a democracy of the people, by the people and for the people. Laugh all you want. It's just sad that you're such an angry old man.

[Sketch Soland]

wrong burger breath, it's a democracy of the people, by the people and for the people. Laugh all you want. It's just sad that your such an angry old man.

 

Now you're just a troll.

 

Don't be so obvious about it next time.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

Now you're just a troll.

 

Don't be so obvious about it next time.

naw I hate trolls, and closed minds that just wanna blame washington for all their woes.

[Chilly]

That's your problem not Faking a roughing's

 

o sry

[/dev/null]

o sry

 

np, just don't keep doing funny stuff like thinking for yourself

 

Just join the party, drink the Kool-Aid®, and read the books that Oprah tells you

[Wacka]

Ok. Since research has paid off... they know where it is. What are the profits going for now?

 

Do you have a 401 K or investment accounts with mutual funds?

Those profits are going to you as you are likely one of the stockholders.

[Sketch Soland]

naw I hate trolls, and closed minds that just wanna blame washington for all their woes.

 

 

You're actually serious?!?!

 

You are a silly, silly goose.

[Alaska Darin]

wrong burger breath, it's a democracy of the people, by the people and for the people.

No, it isn't. You should learn what the difference is so you don't look silly defending an indefensible position with soundbytes.

Laugh all you want.

Uhm, thanks? I wasn't aware I needed your permission but I'm certainly glad I have it.

It's just sad that you're such an angry old man.

I'm not old or angry. But I wouldn't expect you to get that since you're obviously ignorant and inexperienced.

 

I see that you somehow have derived that I "blame Washington for my problems". Good job on that one, Beavis.

[pBills]

Do you have a 401 K or investment accounts with mutual funds?

Those profits are going to you as you are likely one of the stockholders.

 

 

 

So you heard that commercial too huh?

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

No, it isn't. You should learn what the difference is so you don't look silly defending an indefensible position with soundbytes.

gee, all these years I'm deluding myself (with the all the other unwashed lemmings) into thinking I live in a democracy. Now I learn that quoting Abraham Lincoln is nothing but soundbytes. Color me indefensible...