McDermott still in over his head

[JGMcD2]

42 minutes ago, Chaos said:

They have the challenge flag for a reason.  If his strategy is to rely on the replay assist, that is an even bigger indictment of him being a fool. 

I’m not suggesting that’s his strategy. If you watch the NFL regularly, you’ll notice that in most games, the refs buzz plays down without a team needing to throw a challenge flag.
 

I didn’t think Boutte made that catch. Off the top of my head, I also didn’t think Chase Brown’s touchdown last week was a catch - let alone a touchdown. And I didn’t think Coby Parkinson caught the ball and crossed the goal line yesterday afternoon. Those two plays had similar angles, went to review, and ultimately were ruled as catches.
 

 

[The Jokeman]

48 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Can I ask a question? Why is he getting crucified when New York should have buzzed in and overturned that on its own, without him needing to challenge? On nearly every questionable play where the offense is rushing, they almost always buzz down.

I  agree with this 💯 and said as much in the game day thread. 

[Sweats]

Honestly, when i was watching the game, the play happened so fast and NE got to the line so quickly that i didn't even see a replay of the catch.........maybe they showed one, but i didn't see one.

 

I know the announcers were saying that NE was doing the right thing by getting the snap off quickly so there would be no challenge and even they seemed to question the catch.

I didn't question McD's decision at the time and i don't question it now.

 

No challenge flag was thrown.........deal with it.

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, Wraith said:

It's not just the time out that is lost. Teams only have two challenges for the entire game. So the risk is playing almost the entire game with one challenge. 

to create a turnover? So much already gets a look. If not throwing it then, there’s only so many places you will.

[GoBills808]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sure but 7 points on the first drive of the game doesn't influence games as much as 7 points late. It was a miss, he should have thrown the flag. It does not signal incompetence. 

ok

 

we can say ridiculous things like this because we have allen. but he is an anomaly. more proof bills fans do not have realistic expectations 

 

for normal teams 7 points on the first drive of the game is HUGE. similarly, getting a stop on the opening drive is basically stealing a possession because you're getting the second half kickoff. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

45 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Gotta say, the whole McD is a problem thing is getting old.

 

10-4 without a true number 1 and maybe number 2 WR. Many, many injuries on defense and they had an amazing game after the first half.

 

McD has this team playing well. Yeah, need to start off faster, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a terrible coach.

 

As far as the review? He stated he saw it on the in stadium Jumbotron and it looked close. Replays had not been available to the team before the patsies hurried up to the line. Not sure why this is such a big deal. At the end of the day, don’t matter.

 

 

 

Super old. 
 

Bills have 7 come from behind wins this year, 3 of them had 90% loss probability odds (Balt, Cin, NE).

 

I get that being in the situation is bad to begin with, but this team fights on and has a ton of heart. That is a reflection of McD. 

[Rochesterfan]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't disagree that he should have just thrown the flag even if he didn't have confirmation - not much to lose. But I also don't think it was that big of a deal. 

My only issue with that is - if as I suspect - it was close enough that it was going to be very debatable - missing it on the first drive not only costs you a timeout, but potentially future challenges.  
 

If the play is upheld - he now has only 1 potential challenge the last 59 minutes.  Later more impactful plays may come up - so I have no issue with being judicious at that spot if you don’t have a good look.

 

In addition- to those that want a challenge because the Pats hurried up - most teams on any kind of close play rush up to force either a timeout or challenge on any close play.  It would be incredibly stupid to just use that and say challenge it.  You have to know if there is a chance and does it make sense.  

[K-9]

Argue all you want about McD’s replay and clock management issues because he certainly has some warts when it comes to that but if we are gonna do that then he should also get credit for holding Drake Maye to his worst half of football since turning pro; to the tune of an 18.4 QB rating.
 

As hard as it it may be for those in denial to admit, Maye is the real deal and will be a problem from now on and McD and Co. deserve credit for their efforts yesterday. 

[Wraith]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

to create a turnover? So much already gets a look. If not throwing it then, there’s only so many places you will.

Don't get me wrong, I would have challenged the play based on what I saw - but I had the benefit of the replays. If the Bills truly didn't have access to a replay in time, some in here are arguing that McDermott should have just challenged due to the context of the play or the body language of the Patriots, because the only risk was the loss of a first half time out. I am simply pointing out that the risk was much larger than just a first half time out.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

31 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

They showed it twice on the network broadcast before the ball was snapped on the next play

 

Sorry to reply twice but I just went back and looked and this is absolutely false haha they show one replay from a meaningless angle behind boutte where you can’t see the ball at all that is quickly interrupted by the next play.  If bills staff had to rely on the broadcast they got absolutely nothing..  I doubt they even saw the meaningless replay when you factor in the broadcast delay 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Don Otreply]

Not as far over his head as the majority of the armchair HCs here, lol, there are absolutely zero HCs that don’t make mistakes of one sort or another every game, and this is coming from a fan who has been more than frustrated with our coaching staff on more than one occasion, lol,  it was a GREAT!!! Come back win, enjoy that fellow fans, raise a pint to a crucial win! 🍺

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Playoffs?]

1 hour ago, Billsfed1 said:

He said something about how they didn’t have the ability to see the replay in the stadium, they have to get that figured out moving forward.

I have such a problem with this.  All of us could see a tv replay that showed it wasn’t a catch BEFORE the Patriots flew up to the line to snap the ball.  I was screaming at my TV for Sean to throw the flag.  That’s fine that Sean himself couldn’t see the replay, but do we not pay people to do this exact job, and to advise our head coach?  Someone should’ve been in Sean’s ear right away telling him “that’s not a catch.”

Someone didn’t do their job. 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Argue all you want about McD’s replay and clock management issues because he certainly has some warts when it comes to that but if we are gonna do that then he should also get credit for holding Drake Maye to his worst half of football since turning pro; to the tune of an 18.4 QB rating.
 

As hard as it it may be for those in denial to admit, Maye is the real deal and will be a problem from now on and McD and Co. deserve credit for their efforts yesterday. 

wait

 

you thought yesterday was an example of some great defensive performance?

[Sweats]

This place is a hot mess after a loss and even worse after a great win.

 

Bills won yesterday..........give yourselves a minute to appreciate it and for Christ's sakes, can we at least put away the torches and pitchforks until a real issue comes up?

[Búfalo Blanco]

Absolute crime, this regime with Josh Allen... He'd have 2 championships AT LEAST in KC or LA.. Idiotic to not challenge that catch, among some other decisions in that game.. McDermott is a liability that Allen has to save multiple times a season.

[MphsBillsfan]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Can I ask a question? Why is he getting crucified when New York should have buzzed in and overturned that on its own, without him needing to challenge? On nearly every questionable play where the offense is rushing, they almost always buzz down.

As I said in another post, replay "assist" was biased in favor of New England in the first quarter.

[RichRiderBills]

I agree and disagree. Agree McD made a mistake and didn't challenge that play.

 

The "we don't didn't see the replay" excuse weak sauce. They need QC guys with binos watching every play. 

 

It's not the first time we've seen they may have a poor model when it comes to challenges. 

 

So I agree he made a mistake here. 

 

Disagree he is in over his head. He's an overall competent coach who has made good adjustments and has a good team building strategy. He's got many pros and few cons. 

 

At the end of the day, I do have concerns the model has gone stale at times. These first half issues are troublesome. But 10-4 speaks for itself. Victories against Mahomes, Lamar, and Burrow.....a win at one of the best teams house in Dec....

 

McD is a good coach, not perfect, but I'm glad to have him. 

Edited 2 hours ago by RichRiderBills

[vtnatefootball11]

15 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Honestly, when i was watching the game, the play happened so fast and NE got to the line so quickly that i didn't even see a replay of the catch.........maybe they showed one, but i didn't see one.

 

I know the announcers were saying that NE was doing the right thing by getting the snap off quickly so there would be no challenge and even they seemed to question the catch.

I didn't question McD's decision at the time and i don't question it now.

 

No challenge flag was thrown.........deal with it.

 

No offense to you personally but this is the attitude of a loser, and if the head of our Bills organization has this attitude, we will never win a championship. "The Patriots just moved too fast and I couldn't do the analysis fast enough realize we have everything to gain and nothing to lose by challenging, and nobody told me to challenge it..." just pathetic. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

I'll give McDermott this, he's never been as much of a whiny B word as Vrabel is right now

 

 

 

 

Hahahaha. I thought Vrabel was a tough guy? This is whiney beyond belief. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

I have such a problem with this.  All of us could see a tv replay that showed it wasn’t a catch BEFORE the Patriots flew up to the line to snap the ball.  I was screaming at my TV for Sean to throw the flag.  That’s fine that Sean himself couldn’t see the replay, but do we not pay people to do this exact job, and to advise our head coach?  Someone should’ve been in Sean’s ear right away telling him “that’s not a catch.”

Someone didn’t do their job. 

No we werent.  Just checked it myself after some of you were saying that. The replays you’re thinking of were after the next play.  They showed one very short replay from behind boutte where the ball is not visible at all and the next snap was immediately after that review so the broadcast delay likely wiped out even the meaningless replay 

 

the announcers didn’t even realize the ball hit the ground at that point…they thought boutte possibly might’ve stepped out 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Generic_Bills_Fan