The KC dynasty is over

[Billsfed1]

 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, muppy said:

you should go to their message board. It's not unusual that a fan base is bleeding after an ugly loss but the attitude is indeed dire. 

 

Kelce roasted today BIGTIME. Andy Reid too

 

I admit to enjoying dancing on their graves today.

 

 

 

Chiefs fans are being ridiculous talking about how Andy Reid needs to retire. I've watched every Chiefs game this year and the coaching in all three phases is still by far the best thing they have going for them. Their biggest problem is talent.

 

Rice is a very good WR, I'd say he's a borderline #1/#2. Kelce is still good but not in his prime obviously. After that is a bunch of JAGs. The IOL is still very good but with Trey Smith's injury they lose that advantage. The OTs have been a MASH unit.

 

The situation on defense is arguably even worse. Chris Jones can turn it on when he really needs to but he is not consistently as dominant as he was in his prime. Nobody else on the DL scares you at all. McDuffie is being forced into a full time outside CB role and he just can't handle big physical WRs. The rest of the secondary is middling. The LBs are good but that's not enough. Spagnuolo is holding that thing together almost entirely on his own.

 

Oh and the one thing nobody wants to talk about... Mahomes has played below his previously elite standard for the past three years. I thought he would bounce back this year but he really hasn't. He misses a ton of wide open deep throws which takes TDs off the board. His on schedule passes are too frequently off target or poorly timed. The last INT last night where everyone is clowning on Kelce, this is the picture at the catch point:

 

 

That is not really a clean drop, that is poor ball placement. It happens to every QB but it's been a bigger problem with Mahomes than anybody talks about. He can still make magic happen with his legs but that isn't sustainable over the course of an entire game, and he no longer has a defense that can keep the opponent down long enough for Mahomes to get into a groove.

 

I don't know what Chiefs fans are watching but the coaching is elevating a mediocre roster and inconsistent QB play, not the other way around.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by HappyDays

[H2o]

As long as they have Mahomes and Reid, they will have a chance. They need to fix their WR room, get a legit RB who is a threat, will need a TE to replace Kelce, replace Taylor at RT (bet $$$ he's cut), and upgrade the Secondary. 

 

Salary Cap - They are scheduled to be between $32M-$42M over (depending on the site), but resigning Mahomes alone will take care of that. Or they can free up a vast majority of the $$$ by kicking it down the line. They can restructure Chris Jones, Humphrey, and Trey Smith. 

 

WR - They could go all in on Justin Jefferson, or take a shot at AJ Brown. Either of those two puts the offense right back in business combined with Rice and Worthy. The FA crop is week, but they could go after Deebo. 

 

RB - I think this year has value in the draft at RB in the first 3 rounds. You have Jeremiyah Love and Jadarian Price from Notre Dame. Kaytron Allen and Nicholas Singleton from Penn St. Emmett Johnson from Nebraska. Justice Haynes from Michigan. I could see them going after one of these guys. 

 

TE - I could see them going after Njoku, who is scheduled to be a FA, or possibly even Kyle Pitts. I bet you Andy Reid could figure out the best way to use Pitts and he would turn into another weapon in the passing game for Mahomes. 

 

RT - They could go after Braden Smith of the Colts who is about to be a FA. Jonah Williams, who is still somehow only 28 years old. If not, this could be a high draft pick for them. 

 

Secondary - There are 8 legit Safety prospects in the first 3 rounds. There are 8 Round 1-2 CB's. Any of them could possibly help their Secondary. 

 

I think the way all of it plays out is determined by how much money they shift around, and the needs they try to meet via trade or in FA. The rest will be left to the draft. Like I said, a trade for Jefferson or AJ Brown, coupled with Njoku or Kyle Pitts, and that offense could be a problem again. I thought Brady and the Pats were dead two times before he finally left and went to Tampa. I wouldn't get too excited just yet. 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs fans are being ridiculous talking about how Andy Reid needs to retire. I've watched every Chiefs game this year and the coaching in all three phases is still by far the best thing they have going for them. Their biggest problem is talent.

 

Rice is a very good WR, I'd say he's a borderline #1/#2. Kelce is still good but not in his prime obviously. After that is a bunch of JAGs. The IOL is still very good but with Trey Smith's injury they lose that advantage. The OTs have been a MASH unit.

 

The situation on defense is arguably even worse. Chris Jones can turn it on when he really needs to but he is not as consistently as dominant as he was in his prime. Nobody else on the DL scares you at all. McDuffie is being forced into a full time outside CB role and he just can't handle big physical WRs. The rest of the secondary is middling. The LBs are good but that's not enough. Spagnuolo is holding that thing together almost entirely on his own.

 

Oh and the one thing nobody wants to talk about... Mahomes has played below his previously elite standard for the past three years. I thought he would bounce back this year but he really hasn't. He misses a ton of wide open deep throws which takes TDs off the board. His on schedule passes are too frequently off target or poorly timed. The last INT last night where everyone is clowning on Kelce, this is the picture at the catch point:

 

 

That is not really a clean drop, that is poor ball placement. It happens to every QB but it's been a bigger problem with Mahomes than anybody talks about. He can still make magic happen with his legs but that isn't sustainable over the course of an entire game, and he no longer has a defense that can keep the opponent down long enough for Mahomes to get into a groove.

 

I don't know what Chiefs fans are watching but the coaching is elevating a mediocre roster and inconsistent QB play, not the other way around.

 

Their OL is a COMPLETE mess.

 

its no coincidence the last time the Chiefs offense was lethal is when they had Orlando Brown who, while not an All-Pro, is at least an NFL caliber quality OT.

 

Season after season, Mahomes has gotten beat up and as a result, has gotten happy feet and gotten sloppy.

 

We take it for granted with Josh (who also can sometimes fall victim to getting beat up and it affecting his play) but it’s clearly worn on Mahomes.

 

Veach isn’t a bad GM, but his decision to prioritize IOL over OT while Kelce rapidly aged out of being a quality safety outlet is backfiring.

 

couldnt happen to a nicer group of guys. What a shame.

[SCBills]

 

[billieve420]

15 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

 

Honestly doesn't look to far fetched and will require the Chargers not to completely collapse. Indy looks like they are done. 

[TheBrownBear]

The biggest question is whether the Chiefs are good enough to win 4 straight games.  If they win out they are absolutely in, imo.  I don't think the Chargers go better than 2-3 with their schedule. I could see the Colts losing out too.  Is there a scenario where the Chiefs can make it at 9-8? 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by TheBrownBear

[RobbRiddick]

Hey, all this Chiefs talk got me wondering where that chiefs fan, billl has been as I haven't seen him in a while. Just checked his profile and he hasn't visited since November. I don't get it. He used to comment here regularly, especially in Chiefs related threads. 

 

hope he's okay

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

I know this sounds like nails on a chalkboard to Bills fan but as long as they have Mahomes, they are a contender. Manning had down years with wins and losses as well. Events like Kelce retiring might be good for them. I think there are too many distractions on that team these days. They need to get back to being hungry. 

Exactly! They will be well served to move on from Mr. Swift. Mahomes has a solid 5 years left. People forget their own line has been decimated. Next year it will be guns a blazing but not a gimme for the division like it used to be.

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs fans are being ridiculous talking about how Andy Reid needs to retire. I've watched every Chiefs game this year and the coaching in all three phases is still by far the best thing they have going for them. Their biggest problem is talent.

 

Rice is a very good WR, I'd say he's a borderline #1/#2. Kelce is still good but not in his prime obviously. After that is a bunch of JAGs. The IOL is still very good but with Trey Smith's injury they lose that advantage. The OTs have been a MASH unit.

 

The situation on defense is arguably even worse. Chris Jones can turn it on when he really needs to but he is not consistently as dominant as he was in his prime. Nobody else on the DL scares you at all. McDuffie is being forced into a full time outside CB role and he just can't handle big physical WRs. The rest of the secondary is middling. The LBs are good but that's not enough. Spagnuolo is holding that thing together almost entirely on his own.

 

Oh and the one thing nobody wants to talk about... Mahomes has played below his previously elite standard for the past three years. I thought he would bounce back this year but he really hasn't. He misses a ton of wide open deep throws which takes TDs off the board. His on schedule passes are too frequently off target or poorly timed. The last INT last night where everyone is clowning on Kelce, this is the picture at the catch point:

 

 

That is not really a clean drop, that is poor ball placement. It happens to every QB but it's been a bigger problem with Mahomes than anybody talks about. He can still make magic happen with his legs but that isn't sustainable over the course of an entire game, and he no longer has a defense that can keep the opponent down long enough for Mahomes to get into a groove.

 

I don't know what Chiefs fans are watching but the coaching is elevating a mediocre roster and inconsistent QB play, not the other way around.

 

I've said this for years, when Reid retires I honestly think Mahomes will fall to a low top ten range QB. Still very good but no where near as dominant as he has been. All the talk about him supplanting Brady as the GOAT will be looked back on with laughter

[NewEra]

@Billl @Zerovoltz

Is the season over?  
 

Is it the end of the Dynasty?

Edited 1 hour ago by NewEra

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs fans are being ridiculous talking about how Andy Reid needs to retire. I've watched every Chiefs game this year and the coaching in all three phases is still by far the best thing they have going for them. Their biggest problem is talent.

 

Rice is a very good WR, I'd say he's a borderline #1/#2. Kelce is still good but not in his prime obviously. After that is a bunch of JAGs. The IOL is still very good but with Trey Smith's injury they lose that advantage. The OTs have been a MASH unit.

 

The situation on defense is arguably even worse. Chris Jones can turn it on when he really needs to but he is not consistently as dominant as he was in his prime. Nobody else on the DL scares you at all. McDuffie is being forced into a full time outside CB role and he just can't handle big physical WRs. The rest of the secondary is middling. The LBs are good but that's not enough. Spagnuolo is holding that thing together almost entirely on his own.

 

Oh and the one thing nobody wants to talk about... Mahomes has played below his previously elite standard for the past three years. I thought he would bounce back this year but he really hasn't. He misses a ton of wide open deep throws which takes TDs off the board. His on schedule passes are too frequently off target or poorly timed. The last INT last night where everyone is clowning on Kelce, this is the picture at the catch point:

 

 

That is not really a clean drop, that is poor ball placement. It happens to every QB but it's been a bigger problem with Mahomes than anybody talks about. He can still make magic happen with his legs but that isn't sustainable over the course of an entire game, and he no longer has a defense that can keep the opponent down long enough for Mahomes to get into a groove.

 

I don't know what Chiefs fans are watching but the coaching is elevating a mediocre roster and inconsistent QB play, not the other way around.

 

 

Their coaching has been inconsistent... Reid has not adapted his offense in years.. and defensive coordinators are paid to figure you out

 

Even the best coaches eventually time passes.. he literally has not adapted his offense for years 

 

He is partially to blame why it is so stagnant... The league has caught up 

 

He has been out coached the last 2 years well more than what he ever is typically in his prime

 

Obviously Andy Reid is a future Hall of famer but he makes questionable decisions now and his play calling has lost its luster

 

His decision to go for it on that 4th down yesterday with that tie game was ridiculously bad... He's certainly not at the top of his game anymore even though again he is a Hall of famer 

 

They were the same team last year squeaking by with lucky breaks last year and It got them to the Super bowl... Again they don't have a top five roster but it's not devoid of talent

 

If players get complacent it's on the coaches to make them not.. haven't done a great job of that this year

 

I take PFF with a grain of salt but they had them fourth best roster coming in this season.. even if they're not 4th it certainly is not completely devoid of talent.. everybody expected them to be AFC contenders again

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[The Red King]

A few years back we went from dead in the water into the 2nd Seed.  I refuse to bury KC until they are well and truly dead.

[Billsfanatic8989]

If the Chargers win next week, KC would need alotttt of help to get in. 

 

One AFC south team and one AFC East team will be a WC. That is almost a lock. Chiefs have two gimme wins (Titans & Raiders) on the schedule. Their toughest games are LAC & Denver at home. The Chargers have Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Texans and Denver.

 

The Chiefs going 2-0 (toughest games) & Chargers 1-4 or 2-3 is not just a possibility. It's very likely imo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, The Red King said:

A few years back we went from dead in the water into the 2nd Seed.  I refuse to bury KC until they are well and truly dead.

This.