Let’s talk about this Drake “marvelous “ Maye 😅

[Buffalo716]

28 minutes ago, FireChans said:

correct.

 

I find the odds that the Bills simultaneously found the best HC and the best GM and the best QB in their franchise history to be astronomical. 

 

I find the odds the Bills found some relatively competent guys at HC and GM and they look much better because they found the best QB in franchise history to be much higher. Like infinitely higher. 

 

The Chiefs are having a down year after going to 5 of the last 6 Superbowls. They are not worse than us ha ha.

 

The history of the NFL proves this is just false. The Colts went from playoff team to picking 1st overall because Peyton missed a year. The Pats missed the playoffs when Tom Brady missed a season, even with the greatest coach ever. The Pats franchise imploded when they lost Brady in FA, even at a hundred years old.

 

And that to me is the point. The Pats are "back" because they have Drake Maye playing at a high level. Vrabel is a very good coach.  Dan Quinn is fine. When Dan Quinn's rookie QB was playing like an MVP, they went to their conference championship. We will see how far the Pats go. But what matters the most is how good Drake Maye ends up being. Daniels and Stroud couldn't sustain high levels of play and/or health. 

Objectively not true 

 

And I certainly never said Brandon Beane is the best GM in Bills history , I think McDermott is much more responsible for the overall success than him not counting Josh Allen

 

The Indianapolis colts literally trotted out one of the worst quarterback unit in NFL history with an 0-8 curtis painter, 0-3 Kerry collins who was like 40 and 2-3 Dan orlovsky... Dan O was there best quarterback and he was not a top 40 guy in the NFL.. our backup right now is better than their best quarterback from that team

 

Literally even tyrod Taylor level quarterbacking would have won them 7 games.. they literally purposely tanked ... The next year with a rookie Andrew luck(who was not an all pro yet) back to 11 wins... Showing that they literally were trotting out the 70th ranked quarterback nothing close to a top 35 guy.. they were trying to lose

 

And Bill belichick won 11 games with Matt Cassel and they missed lol it's not like they were 4 and 12.. showing again why Bill belichick is the greatest

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[Buffalo Ballin]

1 hour ago, Psautcsk said:

Myles Garrett got him a number of times (5) and the Pats cruised to an easy win.

? Didn't answer the questions. Yeah, Drake Maye has a lot to prove before crowning him as King QB of AFC.

 

Also, as of right now, Josh Allen is the number 1 fantasy stat QB. Patrick Mahomes #2 and Drake Maye #3. Even in a so-called "bad" season, Josh Allen is NFL's number one fantasy stat QB. That's amazing.

 

Can Drake Maye do that without a WR1 AND WR2 and a horrible team defense? Don't think so. He'll be sent into the IR.

Edited 21 hours ago by Buffalo Ballin

[Puckman5]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

? Didn't answer the questions. Yeah, Drake Maye has a lot to prove before crowning him as King QB of AFC.

 

Also, as of right now, Josh Allen is the number 1 fantasy stat QB. Patrick Mahomes #2 and Drake Maye #3. Even in a so-called "bad" season, Josh Allen is NFL's number one fantasy stat QB. That's amazing.

 

Can Drake Maye do that without a WR1 AND WR2 and a horrible team defense? Don't think so. He'll be sent into the IR.

Agree with your point.   He's got some solid talent and coaching helping him.  He certainly doesn't have the misfortune of trying to make chicken salad out chicken crap.  I still give him credit for taking  advantage of it.  

[JohnnyBuffalo]

Apparently you have to win a superbowl before anyone will actually say a QB is legitimately good when they are done playing.   Otherwise it’s always…yeah but.  
 

So this is really a dumb topic until then.  
 

Oh and it won’t matter if he does win AND is caught cheating…TWICE…everyone will just forget that and call it a great career.  

Go Bills!

 

[mannc]

14 hours ago, Danger Mouse said:

They’ve also had a cupcake schedule 

So have we.

[RunTheBall]

I hate NE with the passion of McDemott calling defensive time outs. I hate watched them for last last 5 years when they sucked because I love watching them lose. They have the biggest bandwagon fan base in sports. I’ve said numerous times there has been ZERO talk of the Pats* in NE the last 4-5 years. Pure Bandwagon.

 

That being said, it looks like Maye is the real deal right now and I hate it. He’s taken a huge leap under Vrabel (hate him) and McDaniels. I’m going to hold on to my hope that once he starts playing a harder schedule and teams have a full year of tape under him and McDaniels that he’s going to come back to Earth. That’s mainly because I don’t want to admit NE is going to be a problem for the next decade and I’m hoping he regresses like Stroud, Daniels, Purdy, and other QBs who looked phenomenal for a year then regressed to the mean.

 

He’s playing great, has a very good HC/OC combo, and an easy schedule. I don’t think we will know until next year if it’s sustainable but right now he’s got all the potential.

 

 

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

In the immortal words of Gust Avrakotos, “we’ll see”. 

[boyst]

43 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I hate NE with the passion of McDemott calling defensive time outs. I hate watched them for last last 5 years when they sucked because I love watching them lose. They have the biggest bandwagon fan base in sports. I’ve said numerous times there has been ZERO talk of the Pats* in NE the last 4-5 years. Pure Bandwagon.

 

That being said, it looks like Maye is the real deal right now and I hate it. He’s taken a huge leap under Vrabel (hate him) and McDaniels. I’m going to hold on to my hope that once he starts playing a harder schedule and teams have a full year of tape under him and McDaniels that he’s going to come back to Earth. That’s mainly because I don’t want to admit NE is going to be a problem for the next decade and I’m hoping he regresses like Stroud, Daniels, Purdy, and other QBs who looked phenomenal for a year then regressed to the mean.

 

He’s playing great, has a very good HC/OC combo, and an easy schedule. I don’t think we will know until next year if it’s sustainable but right now he’s got all the potential.

 

 

 

 

everyone is worried about the Patriots and talking about how great they are. Sun tzu  said it best. worry about yourself first.

 

the patriots are gonna be slapped around next year when reality sets in, the new wears off, and the #1 division schedule rears its head.

[Figster]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

everyone is worried about the Patriots and talking about how great they are. Sun tzu  said it best. worry about yourself first.

 

the patriots are gonna be slapped around next year when reality sets in, the new wears off, and the #1 division schedule rears its head.

Good advice

 

When Justin Herbert came onto the scene everyone thought he was the next Josh Allen. Well guess what. He's not, not even close.

 

Mayes a good QB, don't get me wrong. The Buffalo Bills will beat the Patriots game 2...

 

 

I Billieve...

[jethro_tull]

lets not and say we did....

[Beck Water]

On 12/2/2025 at 8:20 AM, Fan in Chicago said:

Quick - besides Diggs and the occasionally splash player in Hollins, how many of Maye's receivers are household names?

He is benefitting from his OC and no doubt is quite good. But it's a ways to go before comparing him to the top 3 of the league 

 

Do we get to count Hunter Henry, or No?  He hasn't quite panned out to expectations for being a Chargers 2nd round pick, but he's been a consistent 600+ yd receiver for a while, including 2 previous seasons with NE.  He runs a good route, and has good hands - catches in the high 60's year after year.

[JP51]

20 hours ago, folz said:

 

You could say that Maye currently (in the 2025 season) has better stats than Josh, but that is a much different thing than saying that Maye is currently a better quarterback overall (if that is what you meant). I mean, honestly, if you had to choose a quarterback for your team for the playoffs right now, are you really picking Maye over Josh? (We haven't even seen Maye in a playoff game yet to have any reference.) In a redraft, at this precise moment, are you drafting Maye ahead of Allen? Don't get me wrong, the kid is very good, but to say a second-year player is already better than an elite, 9-year vet, MVP quarterback seems not only premature, but a bit crazy. But let's look at their current overall stats anyhow.

 

Current stats (2025 season):

Maye: 3,731 scrimmage yards, 25 TDs, 6 INTs, 71.5% completions, 0 4th-quarter comebacks, 1 game-winning drive. QB rate: 111.9

Allen: 3,241 scrimmage yards, 30 TDs, 10 INTs, 69.1% completion, 2 4th-quarter comebacks, 3 game-winning drives. QB rate: 99.8.

 

Also, Maye has played one more game than Josh at the moment. Josh's current game averages for 2025 are 270 scrimmage yards and 2.5 TDs. So, if we add one more game for Josh at his average, we get: 3,511 scrimmage yards, 33 TDs. Still 220 yards less than Maye (about 17 yards less per game), but with 8 more TDs (about .62 more TDs per game than Maye).

 

And if you are taking team record into account, well, if we win while the Pats are on BYE (at home vs. Cincy) and then beat the Pats in the rematch, we are only one game behind them (with three games to go).

 

I do think Maye is a very good Qb and we will be contending with him and the Pats for the next few years at least, but in no way is he currently a better QB than Allen. He may have better stats at the moment (for this year), but a second-year guy still has a lot to learn, a lot of things he hasn't seen yet, etc., etc.

I do not see Maye operating with the players Josh has to work with as good as Josh... as well as the defense that Josh has I dont think he has the pressure to be all things like Josh does.... I wonder if he did how he would handle it...  not whistling by the graveyard this kid is awesone, should be feared and we are gonna have to deal with him... but better than Josh currently, I just dont see it... maybe I am wrong but  I just dont see it... 

Edited 4 hours ago by JP51

[Gugny]

On 12/2/2025 at 7:52 AM, SectionC3 said:

We'll see what happens in the playoffs.  

Isn’t that what we do with Josh every year?

[Danger Mouse]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

So have we.

and we’ve been poor 

 

we know what our weaknesses are.

 

pats may flatter to deceive when the heat is on 

[VaMilBill]

On 12/2/2025 at 8:00 AM, Billsflyer12 said:

He is better than Josh right now, already.  He also likely has his elite OC for next 5-7 years locked up.  
 

Baring injury he will be in the top QB in league category for next decade.

He has a top 5 HC in the nfl. The OC is great and will be there as long as Vrabel doesn’t fire him. Maye looks really good. He’s still growing which is the scary thing. Unlike Tua, Maye can actually make plays outside the pocket and on the go. 
 

Really sucks that NE basically fell into another franchise QB with an awesome HC so quickly. A HC , mind you, who knows how to beat the Bills

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Do we get to count Hunter Henry, or No?  He hasn't quite panned out to expectations for being a Chargers 2nd round pick, but he's been a consistent 600+ yd receiver for a while, including 2 previous seasons with NE.  He runs a good route, and has good hands - catches in the high 60's year after year.

yes, much as we include Kincaid as a pass catcher, Henry should be included too. My point was that the Pats are looking efficient on offense compared to the Bills and has better stats than Allen. Both with passing talent which does not include super stars. 

[PatsFanNH]

17 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

? Didn't answer the questions. Yeah, Drake Maye has a lot to prove before crowning him as King QB of AFC.

 

Also, as of right now, Josh Allen is the number 1 fantasy stat QB. Patrick Mahomes #2 and Drake Maye #3. Even in a so-called "bad" season, Josh Allen is NFL's number one fantasy stat QB. That's amazing.

 

Can Drake Maye do that without a WR1 AND WR2 and a horrible team defense? Don't think so. He'll be sent into the IR.

Fantasy numbers mean nothing.. who cares where there QB is there? All matters is did he lead your team to an W or not. And who is the standout WR1 in NE? Diggs? Who everyone said lost a step and was at best a low level tier 2 WR.. Boutte and Douglas were considered nice WR3 and WR4 why are they better? Because Maye had made them better.

 

As for D the Bills D is ranked HIGHER than NE in DVOA. And how would a bad D send any QB to the IR?  While I agree Maye is still young and has to prove himself all the things you said were either irrelevant or wrong IMO. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

We'll see when we face each other again.

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Fantasy numbers mean nothing.. 

That was..iono...people bet REAL cash on fantasy numbers all day long. Those people definitely disagree with ya.

 

Just because the numbers are called "fantasy" doesn't mean they're fake numbers. Those are real stats occurring in real time.

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo Ballin

[PatsFanNH]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

We'll see when we face each other again.

That was..iono...people bet REAL cash on fantasy numbers all day long. Those people definitely disagree with ya.

 

Just because the numbers are called "fantasy" doesn't mean they're fake numbers. Those are real stats occurring in real time.

I know what it is! I stand by saying it means NOTHING. And people bet real money on a damn coin toss doesn’t make it matter an more than anything else.. people will bet on anything so pfft lol

[YoloinOhio]

If they were playing the chiefs at arrowhead this week I’d pick the chiefs. That’s what I think of both teams and their records so far.