Sean apologists... If McD gets fired without ever winning a Super Bowl, you will...

[Buffalo716]

Nobody currently available would take us over the hump besides us buying out Bill belichick 

 

And him making all the players on our team hate football.. but buy in to win 

 

That's the only guy who's 100% going to do anything different than whoever's available 

 

And he's even old and the games moving by him but he is the only one that if you said we need a Super bowl in 3 years be able to get it done

[folz]

 

Fun stuff...let's go guys.

 

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

As Bills fans well know this is not a thing. Has never been a thing. Or we would be recollecting the championships won by OJ Simpson. 

 

Has it ever been a thing for a quarterback before either? Or is it just a current Bills fans thing? I don't remember anyone ever saying that Mike McCarthy and/or Matt LeFleur squandered Aaron Rodgers' career. I don't remember anyone saying that Sean Payton squandered Drew Brees' career. How about Shula squandering Marino's career? Dan Reeves squandering Elway's career, Reid squandering McNabb's career, etc. Nope, never heard it. So, when did it become a thing for NFL fans to say that about any coach, squandering a QB's career?

 

3 hours ago, T.E. said:

We actually don't need to get over 13 Seconds. We had a future HOF QB on an all-time heater, literally playing better than any QB in postseason history, with a home AFC Championship game on the horizon, and it all went to hell because our head coach couldn't grasp basic time management.

 

There is a Lombardi Trophy that should be in the lobby of Orchard Park that instead currently sits in L.A. because of arguably the worst end-of-game coaching in NFL playoff history. That's a big deal, and no, something like that doesn't happen to every great coach.

 

I think you guys blow out of proportion how bad the blunder was in relation to other coaches playoff mistakes simply because it happened to our team. And there is still no guarantee that we win that game even if he did everything differently (how you think he should have done them). Plus, coaches learn and grow from their mistakes as well. I'm not going to do it right now, too much work, but I guarantee if you look back through the playoff losses of even HOF coaches, you will find plenty of games that the fans and/or media blamed them for something. Almost every playoff losing coach gets blamed for some reason that the team did not win. Almost every single one.

 

3 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said:

 Beane, McD, and Pegula are thrilled to have fans like you - fans that are just happy to make the playoffs and will never criticize them. 

 

The Minneapolis Miracle was not a coaching blunder. Go watch the replay. There were two defenders next to Diggs who should have made a tackle but the first defender went for the hit too early and took out the second defender in the process. The only 21st century playoff coaching failure that tops the 13 second game was Pete Carroll not handing the ball to Marshawn in the SB.

 

First of all, you can criticize the team and the coaching without wanting to fire the coach and GM. You guys look at things so one-sidedly. And this trope of "just being happy to make the playoffs" is inaccurate and has been repeated so many times now, it's like you guys don't have a real argument. You just say 13 seconds and then mock us. 

 

And I absolutely guarantee that if that happened to the Bills in the exact same way (The Minneapolis Miracle), you would all still blame McDermott for it, whether it was player error or not. Honestly, if that is how we exited the playoffs this year, would you use it as an argument to fire McDermott? You know you would. And again, I think you guys are selective in your memory. One of these days, when I have time, I will look back through the playoff losses and point out some examples. 

 

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

this post should be exhibitA in the mcdermott cult of personality trial

 

'not winning a SB is not total failure' lol

 

So, 31 teams and coaches fail every year? And coaches who never won a Super Bowl are all failures? 

 

Let me ask this, are Brian Billick, Barry Switzer, George Seifert, Bruce Arians, Doug Peterson, Gary Kubiak, and Nick Sirianni all NFL success stories, while Don Shula, Marv Levy, Bud Grant, George Allen, Don Coryell, Chuck Knox, Dan Reeves, etc. are all failures? The HOF doesn't think so anyway.

 

And I don't understand why the anti-McDermott guys can not understand that no one (McDermott supporters) are ok with not making or winning a Super Bowl, especially with Josh as our QB, we all want it as much as you guys do...and some of us probably for many more years than some of you. We just still believe that this regime can do it. Believe me, I fully understand that you guys do not believe that (and I know the reasons why you think that). And that's ok. From our perspective, wanting to keep McD is not a concession that we do not want or care about winning a Super Bowl, i.e., "we know McD can never do it and we are ok with that". That is not where we are. There are just a few, last of us holdouts that believe they can still do it. Plain and simple. And we have some perspective on why it hasn't happened yet. Agree to disagree, but stop putting words in our mouths. I may end up being wrong, but I'm not delusional.

 

I mean what the hell does "cult of personality trial" mean in this sense anyway. Do you really think that McDermott supporters are just brainwashed by propaganda from the organization? That we put McDermott above the Buffalo Bills (who we have rooted for for decades before Sean's arrival)? And we would never criticize him or see his faults, or the teams' faults? That is not our reality, that is just what you guys are projecting on to us.

 

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

It's incredible.

 

Vrabel getting to the AFCCG with Ryan Tannehill and the 1 seed in the AFC with Ryan Tannehill is no better than anything McD has done is wild stuff.

 

I am trying to give our board members grace. These folks convinced themselves that Tyrod or EJ or Trent or Thad Lewis was the answer at QB. They are capable of believing anything. They don't face the reality until it's already past. 

 

Does anyone admit to being a massive Tyrod fan nowadays? We had hundreds of them while he was here. When McD is inevitably fired, you won't be able find one of his fans. His name will be anathema and his biggest supporters will disappear like a mist.

 

First of all, Tannehill had 4,085 yards and 40 TDs and only 7 INTs on 66% completions that season. That is some pretty good QB play.

 

And secondly, you say "with Tannehill" as if Derrick Henry wasn't also on the team with 2,141 yards and 17 TDs that year. I mean, that isn't just a career year, that is an "of all-time" type of year.

 

And again, you guys just put words in our mouths and exaggerate everything. Honestly who thought Thad Lewis was the answer. Absolutely no one. Did people root for Tyrod when he played, yes, but who was saying he was the long-term answer? For two years I screamed at my TV, throw the damn ball Tyrod. I was excited for EJ when we drafted him, hoping and wishing he could be the guy. But I didn't hold on to him when it became obvious he wasn't the guy. Trent had a few good games, if anyone was on his train it was for like half a season. I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff. It's like you have to pretend that we are crazy in order to prove your point.  

 

 

 

All this was about, initially for me, was contradicting Dr.D's statement that Vrabel is obviously a better coach than McDermott. Who knows, in 10 or 15 years we may look back on things and say, yeah, Vrabel was better (if he wins a couple of rings and McD does not, or whatever). But, currently, there is absolutely no stat that points to Vrabel being a better coach at the moment other than the Pats looking better than the Bills currently, this year---but the end of this season has not even been written yet, and it's just one season, so maybe we should hold his gold jacket for now.

 

[Chaos]

14 hours ago, folz said:

 

Has it ever been a thing for a quarterback before either? Or is it just a current Bills fans thing? I don't remember anyone ever saying that Mike McCarthy and/or Matt LeFleur squandered Aaron Rodgers' career. I don't remember anyone saying that Sean Payton squandered Drew Brees' career. How about Shula squandering Marino's career? Dan Reeves squandering Elway's career, Reid squandering McNabb's career, etc. Nope, never heard it. So, when did it become a thing for NFL fans to say that about any coach, squandering a QB's career?

This post shows a remarkable lack of knowledge combined with very poor reading comprehension skills. 

1) Brees won a super bowl - this is all we want .  one super bowl.  Payton did not squander his career
2) Rodgers won  a super bowl.  Later Rodgers forced a partiing with the team because he did in fact feel as though the rest of his career had been/was being squandered. 
3) the  issue of Marino and Shula was addressed in my initial post on the subject.. If McDermott had led the team to an undefeated season and a Super Bowl win, people might feel differently now. 
4) Reeves did waste 9 years of Elway's career.  Heavily discussed during that nine year span. Then Reeves was fired. Elway won the super bowl for the first time two years later. 
5)McNabb is not even close to the leve of Elway/ Rodgers/Marino/ Allen.   It like saying Marvin Lewis squandered Carson Palmer's career. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Chaos

[T master]

On 12/1/2025 at 10:51 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

I dont think he gets fired this year, so that isnt the question.

 

Terry and many folks here seem to be happy sitting on a nice Regular Season win/loss record, and some AFC East Championships (although those days seem to be over now that there's a better HC in the Division).

 

When we go another few years of this garbage, and Josh has officially entered the end of his career, how happy will you McD Apologists be with nothing to show for it all?

This will always be the same as some political type discussions there are always going to be the haters & the lovers it will never change the only thing that will have anything to it in the future will be the over all record while McD is or was here . But I'd rather be a winner .

 

How many of the fans hate Jim, Bruce, Andre, Thurman, most of all either Knorwood or Marv ? 

[Jrb1979]

25 minutes ago, T master said:

This will always be the same as some political type discussions there are always going to be the haters & the lovers it will never change the only thing that will have anything to it in the future will be the over all record while McD is or was here . But I'd rather be a winner .

 

How many of the fans hate Jim, Bruce, Andre, Thurman, most of all either Knorwood or Marv ? 

Bolded is where IMO where the difference in opinion on McDermott stems from. For me, I want to see a Super Bowl championship. If that means mortgaging some of the future and using multiple void years like the Eagles are so be it.  If that also comes with going back to the drought years that's fine. We won a Super Bowl. 

 

The difference is those that don't want change is they like knowing they are a playoff team every season. They want to win a Super Bowl but they don't want to mortgage the future for it. They believe that one of these years everything will go their way and they will win. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 12/1/2025 at 10:58 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Aaron Rodger’s, Favre, Russell Wilson, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Johnny U all only have 1. 
 

Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton, Fouts, Moon, Cunningham have zero.

 

People think Brady and Mahomes are the norm and they aren’t. 
 

It’s extremely tough to win a SB even when you have all the pieces in place, it still requires a lot of luck. I fault McDermott for 13 seconds, but it was not a given that they would’ve won it all.

 

Should probably add Montana and Bradshaw to that list, though they are kind of "old school" era.  But agree with you overall.

[Slack_in_MA]

Bad poll. Loaded, biased question and option construction.

 

Pass.

Edited 7 hours ago by Slack_in_MA

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, folz said:

So, 31 teams and coaches fail every year? And coaches who never won a Super Bowl are all failures? 

 

Let me ask this, are Brian Billick, Barry Switzer, George Seifert, Bruce Arians, Doug Peterson, Gary Kubiak, and Nick Sirianni all NFL success stories, while Don Shula, Marv Levy, Bud Grant, George Allen, Don Coryell, Chuck Knox, Dan Reeves, etc. are all failures? The HOF doesn't think so anyway.

 

 

 

Shula did with two back in the early 70's but do agree with your point overall.

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

Bolded is where IMO where the difference in opinion on McDermott stems from. For me, I want to see a Super Bowl championship. If that means mortgaging some of the future and using multiple void years like the Eagles are so be it.  If that also comes with going back to the drought years that's fine. We won a Super Bowl. 

 

The difference is those that don't want change is they like knowing they are a playoff team every season. They want to win a Super Bowl but they don't want to mortgage the future for it. They believe that one of these years everything will go their way and they will win. 

Exactly. That regular season record won't mean anything and the only thing remembered is how Josh Allen never even made a SB appearances after how many years now?  That's not winning, its a complete failure and will go down in history as just that, like Dan Marino except worse, he at least made a SB and was not as good as Josh Allen.

Edited 6 hours ago by Gunsgoodtime

[DrDawkinstein]

27 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Bad poll. Loaded, biased question and option construction.

 

Pass.

 

[T master]

6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Bolded is where IMO where the difference in opinion on McDermott stems from. For me, I want to see a Super Bowl championship. If that means mortgaging some of the future and using multiple void years like the Eagles are so be it.  If that also comes with going back to the drought years that's fine. We won a Super Bowl. 

 

The difference is those that don't want change is they like knowing they are a playoff team every season. They want to win a Super Bowl but they don't want to mortgage the future for it. They believe that one of these years everything will go their way and they will win. 

I get it but I'm not a gambler never have been I need something solid to go with ! So here's a question what happens if you do as you said mortgage the farm so you will be in cap hell or have to go back to being irrelevant for years to come & you don't win a SB then have to suffer through another 10+ years of yuk !

 

I like you want a SB as much as any body here, but as I said I'm not willing to gamble that just by going over board that you will achieve that goal .  

 

With that said I feel this team will bring a SB home at some point before Josh is retired but only if all of the crap they have endured with injuries, refs ganging up on them making completely ignorant calls and what ever else has happened to this point goes away .

 

I felt this year and still do believe that if all those on this team would have stayed healthy they would have been way ahead of the curve as far as going to the big game but there is only so many injuries you can sustain in a season and still stay relevant .

 

And to add given all of the injuries this year after they changed strength and conditioning staff this year I would definitely look at changing those people for others because what ever they are doing it's not working ...

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by T master

[Mikie2times]

On 12/1/2025 at 4:58 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Aaron Rodger’s, Favre, Russell Wilson, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Johnny U all only have 1. 
 

Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton, Fouts, Moon, Cunningham have zero.

 

People think Brady and Mahomes are the norm and they aren’t. 
 

It’s extremely tough to win a SB even when you have all the pieces in place, it still requires a lot of luck. I fault McDermott for 13 seconds, but it was not a given that they would’ve won it all.

What’s funny about this list is all of these guys have played in one outside of system players and somebody that shouldn’t even be on the list in the first place. Randall Cunningham? Give me a break. Moon and Fouts were great QB’s but lessons on why offensive diversification matters. Heavy pass first systems that had defenses that splintered. You could easily argue the systems that made them great were so severely flawed they could never go further, and yes, that is on the coach. Point to them for innovation but not practicality.  But those players really have nothing in common with the Bills situation. Watching people try and normalize our inability to even get to the big game is humorous to say the least. 

[Jrb1979]

10 minutes ago, T master said:

I get it but I'm not a gambler never have been I need something solid to go with ! So here's a question what happens if you do as you said mortgage the farm so you will be in cap hell or have to go back to being irrelevant for years to come & you don't win a SB then have to suffer through another 10+ years of yuk !

 

I like you want a SB as much as any body here, but as I said I'm not willing to gamble that just by going over board that you will achieve that goal .  

 

With that said I feel this team will bring a SB home at some point before Josh is retired but only if all of the crap they have endured with injuries, refs ganging up on them making completely ignorant calls and what ever else has happened to this point goes away .

 

I felt this year and still do believe that if all those on this team would have stayed healthy they would have been way ahead of the curve as far as going to the big game but there is only so many injuries you can sustain in a season and still stay relevant .

 

And to add given all of the injuries this year after they changed strength and conditioning staff this year I would definitely look at changing those people for others because what ever they are doing it's not working ...

 

 

Sure there is a possibility that going all in doesn't work, you don't win a Super Bowl and are back to being irrelevant for multiple seasons. 

I am also of the opinion that Beane and McDermott has gotten this team as far as they can take them. 

A lot of that has to do how they built this team.  They focus on culture over talent isn't working.  It wins in the regular season but you need elite playnakers on both sides of the ball to win a Super Bowl.  

Another one is drafting for team fit versus taking the best player available. 

[folz]

6 hours ago, Chaos said:

This post shows are a remarkable lack of knowledge combined with very poor reading comprehension skills. 

1) Brees won a super bowl - this is all we want .  one super bowl.  Payton did not squander his career
2) Rodgers won  a super bowl.  Later Rodgers forced a partiing with the team because he did in fact feel as though the rest of his career had been/was being squandered. 
3) the  issue of Marino and Shula was addressed in my initial post on the subject.. If McDermott had led the team to an undefeated season and a Super Bowl win, people might feel differently now. 
4) Reeves did waste 9 years of Elway's career.  Hevaily discussed during that nine year span. Then Reeves was fired. Elway won the super bowl for the first time two years later. 
5)McNabb is not even close to the leve of Elway/ Rodgers/Marino/ Allen.   It like saying Marvin Lewis squandered Carson Palmer's career. 

 

I do know that Brees and Rodgers each appeared in and won one Super Bowl. My point was that they each only made one SB appearance in 20 and 21 years playing, respectively (and they are both top-5ish QBs of all-time). This board would be going nuts if that were Josh. Also, in 15 years, Payton and Brees missed the playoffs 6 times (40% of their time together). Missing the playoffs that much with a top 5 all-time quarterback? 

 

This is the 8th year with Sean and Josh. Let's just say they made it to and won a Super Bowl this year. To match Payton's record with Brees, they would have to miss the playoffs 5 of the next 7 years (and not make another SB appearance). Yet Payton is lauded as a great coach for that one Super Bowl. If that is how the McD era played out, Super Bowl and then missing the playoffs that much, what would be his legacy? Sure, we would be grateful for the Super Bowl, but I'm sure there would be plenty of posters saying if we had a different coach, Josh would have had 5 Super Bowls.

 

Rodgers has missed the playoffs 9 times in 21 years (43% of his career). And I know it was many different coaches and regimes, but the Packers had Favre and then Rodgers for 34 years in a row. Three Super Bowl appearances (two wins). That is one Super Bowl appearance every 12 years (or one Super Bowl win every 17 years) with two phenomenal quarterbacks. Sometimes you guys make it sound like just having a top 5-10 quarterback should automatically equal consistent Super Bowl appearances and wins. It doesn't.

 

Fair enough on the Shula/Marino point. I could see giving a coach who has won that much previously the benefit of the doubt. But what was that team's issue? Oh yeah, they couldn't get past the Bills. Similar to the Bills and Chiefs recently, or the Colts and Pats (in the Brady/Manning era), etc.

 

And point taken on Reeves. He and Elway did make some Super Bowls but couldn't win one, and then after Reeves was fired, they did win with Shanahan. So, that is a point in the fire McD, someone else might be able to do it side. But at the same time, (much like Manning's last SB win) it wasn't really the quarterback that got them to and won those bowls. TD and Shanahan's run schemes carried that team those two years. Elway was a shell of his former self. And I'm sure at the time there was talk of firing Reeves because he can't win the Big One, but not sure if anyone was saying he squandered Elway's career, they had their shots.

 

Yes, I may have been stretching a bit with McNabb, just trying to make the point, but he was a first round draft pick and an MVP (even if not to the caliber of the other players discussed).

 

 

4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

Shula did with two back in the early 70's but do agree with your point overall.

 

Yes, thanks, made a brain fart in my post. Because I was listing Shula in the not having won with Marino category, I accidentally included him in the not won at all category, when as you said he obviously had the two SB wins in the early 70s (with the undefeated team and no name defense). 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 minutes ago, folz said:

 

I do know that Brees and Rodgers each appeared in and won one Super Bowl. My point was that they each only made one SB appearance in 20 and 21 years playing, respectively (and they are both top-5ish QBs of all-time). This board would be going nuts if that were Josh. Also, in 15 years, Payton and Brees missed the playoffs 6 times (40% of their time together). Missing the playoffs that much with a top 5 all-time quarterback? 

 

This is the 8th year with Sean and Josh. Let's just say they made it to and won a Super Bowl this year. To match Payton's record with Brees, they would have to miss the playoffs 5 of the next 7 years (and not make another SB appearance). Yet Payton is lauded as a great coach for that one Super Bowl. If that is how the McD era played out, Super Bowl and then missing the playoffs that much, what would be his legacy? Sure, we would be grateful for the Super Bowl, but I'm sure there would be plenty of posters saying if we had a different coach, Josh would have had 5 Super Bowls.

 

Rodgers has missed the playoffs 9 times in 21 years (43% of his career). And I know it was many different coaches and regimes, but the Packers had Favre and then Rodgers for 34 years in a row. Three Super Bowl appearances (two wins). That is one Super Bowl appearance every 12 years (or one Super Bowl win every 17 years) with two phenomenal quarterbacks. Sometimes you guys make it sound like just having a top 5-10 quarterback should automatically equal consistent Super Bowl appearances and wins. It doesn't.

 

Fair enough on the Shula/Marino point. I could see giving a coach who has won that much previously the benefit of the doubt. But what was that team's issue? Oh yeah, they couldn't get past the Bills. Similar to the Bills and Chiefs recently, or the Colts and Pats (in the Brady/Manning era), etc.

 

And point taken on Reeves. He and Elway did make some Super Bowls but couldn't win one, and then after Reeves was fired, they did win with Shanahan. So, that is a point in the fire McD, someone else might be able to do it side. But at the same time, (much like Manning's last SB win) it wasn't really the quarterback that got them to and won those bowls. TD and Shanahan's run schemes carried that team those two years. Elway was a shell of his former self. And I'm sure at the time there was talk of firing Reeves because he can't win the Big One, but not sure if anyone was saying he squandered Elway's career, they had their shots.

 

Yes, I may have been stretching a bit with McNabb, just trying to make the point, but he was a first round draft pick and an MVP (even if not to the caliber of the other players discussed).

 

 

 

Yes, thanks, made a brain fart in my post. Because I was listing Shula in the not having won with Marino category, I accidentally included him in the not won at all category, when as you said he obviously had the two SB wins in the early 70s (with the undefeated team and no name defense). 

 

Voted the most boring SB winning team of all time in my book!

[Einstein]

On 12/1/2025 at 2:41 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I agree with @MJS and others that he'd be hired right away

Thats an interesting question. 

There are several coaches who had perennial contenders who had to wait to get another job. I wonder if he would get hired.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Thats an interesting question. 

There are several coaches who had perennial contenders who had to wait to get another job. I wonder if he would get hired.

 

I feel like when coaches wait, it's usually the coach's decision. It's a high stress job they just got out of, and they still get paid for sitting home, so take some time off and get a perspective break, see how much your kids have grown, then ease into the right situation.

 

JMO, but I think a lot of these guys get calls and opportunities right away but want to wait and see before diving back into the shark tank.

 

I know I would. Unless of course the dream scenario presents itself.

 

If McD wasnt hired right away, I wouldnt see that as a knock on him. Not until year 2 or 3 of sitting at home.

[Albany,n.y.]

On 12/1/2025 at 11:14 AM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

For every Ben Johnson, you have:

 

1) Brian Dabol

2) Mike McDaniel

3) Robert Selah

4) Matt Eberflus

5) Brian Callahan

6) Doug Pederson

7) Mike McDaniel

 

Those are the ones for the top of my head. 

The risk is high. It may be worth it, but it is high. 

 

How about all the Bills failed 1st time head coaches?  The only 1st time NFL (AFL) head coach ever in the team history with a winning record as Bills HC is McDermott.  

Meanwhile, the other 9 1st time HCs all had losing records.  That's a 10% hit mark.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

30 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

What’s funny about this list is all of these guys have played in one outside of system players and somebody that shouldn’t even be on the list in the first place. Randall Cunningham? Give me a break. Moon and Fouts were great QB’s but lessons on why offensive diversification matters. Heavy pass first systems that had defenses that splintered. You could easily argue the systems that made them great were so severely flawed they could never go further, and yes, that is on the coach. Point to them for innovation but not practicality.  But those players really have nothing in common with the Bills situation. Watching people try and normalize our inability to even get to the big game is humorous to say the least. 

Randall Cunningham was grossly misused and born in the wrong era. He was Lamar Jackson before LJ. Steve Young is another one that would be an absolute beast in the current NFL. Stats aren’t everything. The Fantasy Football brainwashing continues 

[Augie]

6 hours ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Bad poll. Loaded, biased question and option construction.

 

Pass.

 

Not to mention, if you voted does that mean you are calling yourself a McD apologist? I refuse to be burdened with silly labels. I am not an apologist, nor am I carrying a pitchfork. This is a little too much like the dreaded “P Word” for me. Most people are rational and in the middle somewhere, but they are not the people we hear from the most. There are not just two sides to anything.

 

The funny thing is, if McD won a SB or two, I wouldn’t see him any differently. He gets no pass from me, no lifetime extension. I would judge how the team performs each week and over time. I wouldn’t say “LOOK! I was right!” I’d still be concerned about the shortcomings I see in his coordinator hires, among other things. Since the Frazier hire it’s mostly been clear underlings rather than established minds great on one side of the ball or the other. I’d rather not have guys trying to grow into the job. I don’t love everything about the guy, but I do appreciate the good that has come from his tenure. Hopefully he gets a ring, and I’ll of course be happy, but it’s a process that will continue to move forward.