Gabe Davis signed to the 53, Curtis Samuel placed on IR

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I'm gonna go with the majority of people who believe the over-reliance on that play is because the OC sucks. Maybe we're wrong but that's the way it seems to many.

 

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Brady is great. But putting it all on him is foolish. Watch the All 22 or go to a game and you can see, way more often than not (pretty much all season long) - *no one* is open for Josh. Khalil is included in this. If he were getting open, you'd be hearing analysts and fans alike saying "Khalil is open consistently and you're not going to him" instead of "Josh needs help and no one is getting open for him". We wouldn't be bringing in everyone from Brandin Cooks to Gabe Davis to Mecole Hardman to help out.

 

Again, that has a lot to do with the fact that teams know he's the guy to watch out for and key in on him more than our other options. And as good of a Slot as he is, he's not a #1 that's going to overcome heavy coverage.

 

Too many fans want to just say "it's all Brady's fault". But that's not the truth. It's a combination of a poor WR core that can't get separation and a poor Offensive Coordinator. Putting it all on one or the other is not being honest about the situation.

 

Brady is not so dumb or lazy as to call up that low percentage play as often as he does and watch it fail as often as it does and keep doing it for no reason. The reason is Shakir can't get open consistently but he's dangerous with the ball in his hands. And that play is the only way to consistently get the ball in his hands with the little to no help he's getting to take attention away from him downfield.

Edited 17 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Sierra Foothills]

49 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Brady is great. But putting it all on him is foolish. Watch the All 22 or go to a game and you can see, way more often than not (pretty much all season long) - *no one* is open for Josh. Khalil is included in this. If he were getting open, you'd be hearing analysts and fans alike saying "Khalil is open consistently and you're not going to him" instead of "Josh needs help and no one is getting open for him". We wouldn't be bringing in everyone from Brandin Cooks to Gabe Davis to Mecole Hardman to help out.

 

Again, that has a lot to do with the fact that teams know he's the guy to watch out for and key in on him more than our other options. And as good of a Slot as he is, he's not a #1 that's going to overcome heavy coverage.

 

Too many fans want to just say "it's all Brady's fault". But that's not the truth. It's a combination of a poor WR core that can't get separation and a poor Offensive Coordinator. Putting it all on one or the other is not being honest about the situation.

 

Brady is not so dumb or lazy as to call up that low percentage play as often as he does and watch it fail as often as it does and keep doing it for no reason. The reason is Shakir can't get open consistently but he's dangerous with the ball in his hands. And that play is the only way to consistently get the ball in his hands with the little to no help he's getting to take attention away from him downfield.

 

This is absolutely fair.

 

I'm actually the last person to apportion blame on entirely one thing... because the majority of times (in life and in football) there are contributing factors.

 

I should have been more clear... the wide receiver talent is subpar but I place a higher percentage of the blame on Joe Brady. He should know the shortcomings and the strengths of his players and scheme them open to a higher degree than he presently does.

 

The fact of several wide receivers who came here from poorer QB situations and whose production has cratered here despite playing with Josh tell me that it's more the OC than the WRs.

 

 

 

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont care about hockey.   But people who do, especially people from the Northeast United States and Canada really overestimate its popularity.  Its odd how hockey fans are not able to see why an owner wouldn't sink tons of money into a drowning sport.

 

Thank you for stating the obvious.  Since your rose-tinted glasses see a narrative you don't like you apply your own small world view thoughts to it.  Perhaps Pegs isn't sinking $$$ into HIS franchise there are many other owners that are.  And those franchises are making $$$ obviously MUCH to your chagrin.  Flame on hater.....flame on.

[thenorthremembers]

24 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

Thank you for stating the obvious.  Since your rose-tinted glasses see a narrative you don't like you apply your own small world view thoughts to it.  Perhaps Pegs isn't sinking $$$ into HIS franchise there are many other owners that are.  And those franchises are making $$$ obviously MUCH to your chagrin.  Flame on hater.....flame on.

 

Thinks the NHL is a top sports league and calls my worldview is myopic.   Well done sir.

[Scott7975]

20 hours ago, ***** said:

I’ll ask the question - was Samuel legitimately injured or not? 

 

I imagine he was. That sideline juggle catch, he landed on the point of his bent elbow with full body weight. I'm not making excuses for him but this injury is likely legit.

[Scott7975]

11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

You can criticize Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb and Nick Sirianni and McBeane and I wouldn't argue too much though Reid's accomplishments in Philly speak for themselves... but it's sad that while the Chiefs jumped at the opportunity to hire Reid, the Bills were hiring Doug Marrone.

 

Pegula wasnt even the owner of the Bills when either of these things happened. Its the reason Marrone was able to opt out of his contract, was ownership change.

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Thinks the NHL is a top sports league and calls my worldview is myopic.   Well done sir.

 

Ahhhh - typical Billsy poster reply.  No, no I did NOT state the NHL is a TOP sports league - I said there are teams that are making $$ (HUGE DIFFERENCE) and then there is PEGS who obviously could care less.

 

Reading comprehension is slipping a bit today??  Read what I wrote.......then shake your fist at the sky.... those damn clouds!  LOL

[Snappysnackcakes]

I’ve gotta admit, I like the emphasis on evening and weekend spots, and the regulated exposure on the evenings leading up to or immediately following the standard schedule.

[RunTheBall]

The problem is Brady is way too predictable. He didn’t change the scheme at all from last year, just put a little more emphasis on the run. The passing scheme is the exact same thing we ran last year. How many times do you have to hear opposing players say they knew exactly what play we were running on offense? My wife thinks I’m some sort of football savant because of how often I can call exactly what play is coming based on personel and formation. I’m just some bum on a couch. Defensive coordinators are laughing at Brady. The reason that stupid bubble screen gets blown up 90% of the time is because you can tell exactly when it’s coming. The defensive players just flood to that side as soon as the ball is snapped because it’s so obvious. Brady is in over is head. These WRs aren’t great but they aren’t as ass as he’s making them look. 

[BuffaloRebound]

13 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

And yet we're still a playoff level team. You can't have superstars everywhere. Every team has a weak spot somewhere. 

Define ‘everywhere’.  It’s Josh and Cook, who McBeane took care of last this off-season.  Knox, Samuel, Palmer, Shakir all make close to $10m or more.  On defense, Bosa, Rousseau, Oliver, Jones, Ogunjobi, Hoecht, Epenesa, Milano,  Bernard, Taron, Benford all make good money. Those 15 guys got paid $150m this year and none are top 10 at their position.  Most not even close to that.  I’d much rather have 1 Micah Parsons and 1 DK Metcalf than all those good to borderline JAG guys.   

Edited 10 hours ago by BuffaloRebound

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Pegula wasnt even the owner of the Bills when either of these things happened. Its the reason Marrone was able to opt out of his contract, was ownership change.

 

Yes, the availability of Andy Reid came at a time when the Bills were a very undesirable landing spot for any coaches with options.

 

In fact even had Pegula taken ownership before Reid was fired by the Eagles, we were in the midst of the drought and I doubt that Reid would have chosen the Bills over the Chiefs.

 

I'm trying to remember how much interest there was in Reid when he became available but can't really recall.

 

[Richard Noggin]

On 11/29/2025 at 12:20 AM, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Trust me if I was putting words in your mouth I'd make sure they made sense

 

I'm saying without Mahomes all the Hunts would have hired was a good HC w a history of choking in big games

 

 

 

 

Sounds like McD tbh

[GoBills808]

37 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Sounds like McD tbh

No it doesn't 

 

Reid was gagging away games BEFORE he got Mahomes

[Richard Noggin]

23 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

And those teams underachieved too and Reids refusal to run the ball and God awful clock management were frequently the problem in big games. He needed to be fired by the end and he fixed some of his issues when he came back. It also helped that Mahomes is better than McNabb. Coincidentally his Eagle teams also grossly underinvested at WR for most of his tenure, then went and got TO and actually made the Super Bowl. Unfortunately for them, TO got hurt and Donovan was barfing on the field.

 

And though this isn't directed at you, I will also point out the Eagles have won 2 Super Bowls since firing Reid, with two different coaches. The constants have been Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie. Has Beane been able to construct the teams that Roseman has? The Eagles are playing like crap right now and their roster is still better than the Bills. Sirianni was under fire early last year and obviously got it together but they are back off the rails again and people are pissed. He could 100 percent be fired and Roseman wouldnt think twice about it because he's already fired a SB winning coach and replaced him with another SB winner. The change will be made if it needs to be. Meanwhile, in Buffalo, McBeane will go on forever whether they ever win anything important or not.

 

Pegula lacks the personal savvy AND the organizational structure/objectivity to have identified the obvious need to fire McD after 13 seconds or in each of the last two off-seasons when Ben Johnson was ostensibly available. To not hire someone with serious pedigree to oversee football operations in an executive capacity above McD and Beane is the height of Busch League incompetence. Instead, Pegula is the only person evaluating McBeane, which is insane if you've ever listened to anything Pegula has ever said about football. He's an impressionable imbecile about sports. He NEEDS C-Suite layers above his coaches and front office personnel, but lacks the wisdom or humility to admit it. He accepts mediocrity. 

 

17 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

You misunderstood my point.   Hes been a great owner for the Bills.  Look at all the success the team has had including a new stadium which likely keeps the team here even longer.   

 

Meanwhile you seem to hate the guy because despite his success with the football team, youre big mad because they haven't won the Superbowl and the hockey team stinks.   You seem like you'd be happier if they were both sold and moved.   That was my point.

 

Pegula has given the Bills everything they need to be great.  Thats the extent of what owners can do to win championships.  Not winning a Super Bowl is fully on McDermott, Beane and the players on the field, including Josh Allen.

 

Again, if you think Pegula is a bad owner, it can only be about the Sabres because hes been great for the Bills.

 

A lot of guys in Buffalo mad at Terry for not doing more with a hockey team when hockey simply doesnt make him money.     Not sure why its so hard to have an opinion of the guy strictly on the football team?  

 

People want to come on here and call him an idiot.  Who is the bigger idiot the billionaire businessman who wont sink more money into a failing league that has less fans than AEW Wrestling...or the old white guys in the Northeast who still care about the league?

 

 

 

 

Pegula's refusal to bring in football and hockey execs to oversee each operation and provide needed expertise independent of (and critical of) coaching and management is absolutely idiotic. Maybe Kim could have grown into that role (her interpersonal aptitude and general savvy is very underrated to this day), but failing to bring in pedigreed people at the top is just such a huge ongoing nightmare. 

 

16 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Shocking that a businessman wants to make money.   I apologize that Sabre fans live in this fantasy world where hockey is still a "big 4" sport in the United States.    How can you still think that when its routinely outdrawn and outrated by Nascar, and Wrestling?   

 

The NHL is a crap league on the popularity level of the WNBA and College Basketball.   Its a sport relegated to rich white kids and Europeans.    If I were Terry I wouldn't sink my time or money into it either.  Its not worth his time.

 

Owners dont win championships and businessmen arent looking to lose money.   

 

Owners definitely have HUGE impacts on organizational success across the major sports leagues. Teams can have fleeting success without great ownership, but sustained success starts at the top. The Bills drought was deeply and obviously tied to ownership issues and the downstream impacts of those issues, and you can see the Sabres suffering now from that same condition. 

 

12 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I would guess that quite a few of them are actually checked into

 

That would still be the result of the pre-snap solutions Allen is provided by his coaches. I think defenses know how to sometimes force Allen to check into disadvantageous or predictable audibles. It's not like he has the time at the line or the license to pick from ANY play in their arsenal. He isn't running Peyton Manning's Marchibroda offense, unfortunately.

 

11 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

God I hope not.

 

I think it's mostly true. But not completely Allen's fault. He's put in bad positions. 

[T master]

Given the production in just the 2 games that Gabe has played in I'm thinking this will be a good move because to this point unfortunately Samuel has shown little to nothing in the way of production this season and he just can't stay healthy .

 

I hope this off season they cut their loses with Samuel and get a younger guy that can help with the offense going forward .

 

Next years team is going to look totally different !!! 

Edited 1 hour ago by T master

[Nuncha]

How is Samuel still on this team?  38 catches 2TDs in 20 games played here. 24million for 3 seasons??  Dude has to go.  He could be replaced with ANY free agent WR for the same production at a fraction of the cost.  I don't get it.

[gordong]

18 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont care about hockey.   But people who do, especially people from the Northeast United States and Canada really overestimate its popularity.  Its odd how hockey fans are not able to see why an owner wouldn't sink tons of money into a drowning sport.

Really considering that they have hockey leagues in Florida (that are extremely popular) I think you are very misguided here.  it not a drowning sport in any way, contracts continue to climb year after year that is complete opposite of drowning.   it the 5th highest gross sport in the world

 

according to wiki.   (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue) and AI says it 4th in the USA.   With MLS 4 billion behind Hockey ....   https://www.google.com/search?q=highest+grossing+sport+leauges+in+the+us&client=safari&sca_esv=8a3c59226109f1b5&rls=en&ei=dUksaePOJ_KrptQP366G8Q8&ved=0ahUKEwij3Z2fgJqRAxXylYkEHV-XIf4Q4dUDCBE&oq=highest+grossing+sport+leauges+in+the+us&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKGhpZ2hlc3QgZ3Jvc3Npbmcgc3BvcnQgbGVhdWdlcyBpbiB0aGUgdXMyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYogQYiQUyCBAAGIAEGKIESNtCUABY0SxwAHgAkAEBmAGvBqAB2BOqAQsyLjEuMy41LTEuMbgBDMgBAPgBAZgCBqACywuYAwDiAwUSATEgQJIHCTEuMi4yLjAuMaAHqC-yBwkxLjIuMi4wLjG4B8sLwgcDMi02yAca&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#:~:text=AI Overview,$2 billion.

Edited 46 minutes ago by gordong

[gordong]

14 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

How is Samuel still on this team?  38 catches 2TDs in 20 games played here. 24million for 3 seasons??  Dude has to go.  He could be replaced with ANY free agent WR for the same production at a fraction of the cost.  I don't get it.

none of us do...   

[FireChans]

35 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

How is Samuel still on this team?  38 catches 2TDs in 20 games played here. 24million for 3 seasons??  Dude has to go.  He could be replaced with ANY free agent WR for the same production at a fraction of the cost.  I don't get it.

 

20 minutes ago, gordong said:

none of us do...   

because he costs more to cut than to keep lol.

[BuffaloBillyG]

50 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

How is Samuel still on this team?  38 catches 2TDs in 20 games played here. 24million for 3 seasons??  Dude has to go.  He could be replaced with ANY free agent WR for the same production at a fraction of the cost.  I don't get it.

 Because we don't have enough cap room to absorb his accelerated hit if we cut him.