According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch (rumored for Texans game too)

[HamptonBillsfan]

3 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Keon wasn’t even good at contested catches in college, that’s the crazy part.  He is exactly what everyone said he would be and what the arrogant GM apparently thought he wasn’t.  

The problem is with Josh and Cook,we’re never going to be bad enough for ownership to replace Beane. He’s just not in the class of the elite GMs that win SBs(KC, Philly, LA,). Sean will go before Beane guaranteed.

[Kirby Jackson]

36 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Soooo who's leaking the tea to Cover 1? 

The Bills aren’t as airtight as people think. There are so many people that get this information that it doesn’t take long for the game of telephone to get it out there. I suspect that Cover 1’s info is pretty close to the team. They wouldn’t be reporting distant info. My guess (total guess) is someone in scouting. They must have a lot of connections within there.

[colin]

we must no longer spend early picks on players from colleges that have the word florida in the title.

 

also -- i get maybin vibes from keon.  he's lacking in a key trait (maybin was size, keon is speed) but have oodles of other talents which if they were put together would be an impact player, but honestly neither of them were really that into football.  Star looloobear was the same way, except his god given talent (being made of steel, insane size and power/athleticism for that size) was enough to make him the top graded nfl prospect in the nation, but he just didn't care for football.

 

contrast that with hoyt (my current pet favorite bills player) or pat williams (my all time favorite dark horse bills player) who did not have the accolades, but used their brain, work ethic, and sheer will to become valuable players.

[Billsflyer12]

12 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

The problem is with Josh and Cook,we’re never going to be bad enough for ownership to replace Beane. He’s just not in the class of the elite GMs that win SBs(KC, Philly, LA,). Sean will go before Beane guaranteed.

Agree.  Beane is the most overrated GM in NFL and he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

[uticaclub]

4 minutes ago, colin said:

we must no longer spend early picks on players from colleges that have the word florida in the title.

 

also -- i get maybin vibes from keon.  he's lacking in a key trait (maybin was size, keon is speed) but have oodles of other talents which if they were put together would be an impact player, but honestly neither of them were really that into football.  Star looloobear was the same way, except his god given talent (being made of steel, insane size and power/athleticism for that size) was enough to make him the top graded nfl prospect in the nation, but he just didn't care for football.

 

contrast that with hoyt (my current pet favorite bills player) or pat williams (my all time favorite dark horse bills player) who did not have the accolades, but used their brain, work ethic, and sheer will to become valuable players.

Hochet used the juice to be impactful; he played 7 solid quarters for us and will probably look like Milano presently when he comes back

[Pete]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills aren’t as airtight as people think. There are so many people that get this information that it doesn’t take long for the game of telephone to get it out there. I suspect that Cover 1’s info is pretty close to the team. They wouldn’t be reporting distant info. My guess (total guess) is someone in scouting. They must have a lot of connections within there.

SI credited Eric Turner 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

SI credited Eric Turner 

The question is who is he getting it from? Eric Turner is Cover 1.

[uticaclub]

10 hours ago, MainEvent said:

Allen told Beane this was the WR he wanted during the draft process so it’s a lot of people

Coleman was the 8th WR taken and we traded down twice. If Allen wanted him, we would have drafted him at 30th. Stop billieving internet lies.

[Goin Breakdown]

5 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Coleman was the 8th WR taken and we traded down twice. If Allen wanted him, we would have drafted him at 30th. Stop billieving internet lies.

The only way I believe that Allen wanted him was AFTER Bean traded out and THEN Allen was like "yeah let's get Coleman". If that even happened. Otherwise that was all just PR. Just like Beane saying he tried to trade for a WR. 

[billsfan714]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Soooo who's leaking the tea to Cover 1? 

In the end does it really matter that we know Saturday night vs Sunday morning or Wednesday night vs Thursday night that Keon isnt going to play?

[stlbills13]

The "Allen wanted Coleman" thing is so overhyped. That story comes out about all top QB's and the WR that is drafted. It's just so meaningful to us because for once Beane drafted a WR early. 

[thenorthremembers]

Not sure if its been mentioned but TJ Houshmandzadeh said on the Speakeasy podcast that this is a suspension for tonight's game, not just a healthy scratch.   Is that whats being reported?

[RkFast]

38 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

The problem is with Josh and Cook,we’re never going to be bad enough for ownership to replace Beane. He’s just not in the class of the elite GMs that win SBs(KC, Philly, LA,). Sean will go before Beane guaranteed.

 

Beane has his faults but lets pump the brakes here. The Buffalo Bills are widely considered to have one of the best front offices in the game. They are consistently ranked in the top 10 and often top 5 in player and NFL peer rankings. A TON of that is due to Brandon Beane and what he has built.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

yes sir

https://sportdfw.com/cowboys-kaiir-elam-trade-certified-disaster-4-games-01k6b1cypzh9

 

Cowboys' Kaiir Elam Trade Is Certified Disaster After 4 Games

The Dallas Cowboys' secondary has left plenty to be desired, and a lot of that falls on Kaiir Elam.

 

Elam and Keon- nice picks Beane!

 

Well gosh and I heard here he was looking good in Dallas back in pre-season 

 

Look, you're not wrong, but every GM whiffs on some.  The overall hit rate in the bottom 3rd of the 1st/top of the 2nd is something like 30%

And that's 30% you get a guy who can ball capably, not you get a freakazoid

Edited 47 minutes ago by Beck Water

[colin]

30 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Hochet used the juice to be impactful; he played 7 solid quarters for us and will probably look like Milano presently when he comes back

 

they all use the juice, he just got caught. 

[Beck Water]

33 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Coleman was the 8th WR taken and we traded down twice. If Allen wanted him, we would have drafted him at 30th. Stop billieving internet lies.

 

I don't know if it's an "internet lie", but it was definitely PR.  Like Allen was watching college ball or maybe some scouting film and he saw some Coleman highlight catches and said "that would be nice to have on the team" so then after the draft it becomes the Grease song "You're the one that I want...ooh ooh ooh honey!"

[HOUSE]

Must be loafing around the practice field again

I hate that..

[stlbills13]

I mean did people expect us to draft Coleman and then for it to come out that "Allen DID NOT WANT him"? 

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well gosh and I heard here he was looking good in Dallas back in pre-season

 

Look, you're not wrong, but every GM whiffs on some.  The overall hit rate in the bottom 3rd of the 1st/top of the 2nd is something like 30%

And that's 30% you get a guy who can ball capably, not you get a freakazoid

Unless there is someone you are very certain is going to be a long term starter available when picking, I think the modern NFL salary cap structure requires taking someone who can do something immediately.  For example, Worthy was fast and can catch a football.  Also small and not likely to last much longer than a first contract.  Using any first first round or second round pick to select a young "development project." is not the correct strategy in my opinion.  Drafting guys who are going be NFL ready just in time for their second contract seems to also lead to the next problem "lets overpay this guy, because we didn't get enough out of him before, but if he plays well next, it will somehow justify the previous wasted years"

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, notpolian said:

One aspect of Coleman's game is the notion of contested catch ability.  Yes, he's a tall receiver.  He can jump.  That doesn't mean he's good at contested catches.  He has the potential to be.  I think you've also gotta have the timing, hands, strength, and maybe most of all attitude to get it done.

 

Has Coleman ever had contested catch results in college or pros?  

Yes but last year I think they shut us down with a lot of man.  I heard on a podcast earlier that our offensive success rate was lower in the Houston game than basically any of our last 40+ games.  

 

They may play a lot of zone today but if it worked last year I wouldn't doubt they'll try man again this year.

 

Coleman is mostly terrible in those spots save for a few times. But the exception doesn't make the rule.

 

Not only is he bad at getting in position to fight for those balls, he is terrible at drawing flags while doing so which is the other reason they are going to him.