2025 Edition Trade Deadline Deals

[starrymessenger]

No question the Bills are a top team. All the teams, including the contenders, have holes to fill. The question is could/should they have made a move to better their chances. Obviously they thought not. We will be in a better position to evaluate their decision at year end.

[MasterStrategist]

14 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'm not talking about the whole DL, just about how badly the Bills needed to find help at DT today.

And while I like Rousseau and Bosa, there really isn't much behind them either with Hoecht gone.

The Bills have clearly wanted that unit to be the #2 strength of their team for years and needed to do work today to maintain that effort.

Instead, they chose to do nothing about what has always been their top priority.

Who did you expect?

 

We have TJ and Jones returning in the next 2-3 weeks.  Unless we traded for a legit starter, with limited cap, no Dt move was worth it.

[Jerboski]

1 hour ago, jaybeezee said:

At some point,  you have to start questioning why Josh is content with this staff? I was told several years ago that they discuss everything with him, with regards to Draft and FA.

 

He has to be okay with what they do and don't do!

My guess is that patience is gonna start flaming out if we lose again in the second round and he plays well

 

he has generational money now, he is a bonafide star, eventually he will want a Super Bowl caliber team around him rather than having to carry all the water for Sean and beane 

[Fan in Chicago]

My wife asked me to bring tomatoes cos she was going to cook pasta for dinner. 

I came back and told her the organic roma tomatoes were $7/lb so I checked them out but didn't pick them up. 

"Okay but I didn't need the organic, vine ripened, roma tomatoes. I could make great pizza with the regular tomatoes because I am a great cook and can use decent tomatoes as long as they are not rotten or spoilt which is all I have . The regular ones were only  $5/lb" 

 

But I said they were only worth $4.75/lb so I didn't buy them either and came away empty handed. 

 

Guess who is going to bed after eating only a small portion of pasta? I could call it food but it didn't have any taste and I went to bed unsatisfied. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Fan in Chicago

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Who did you expect?

 

I'm just a fan on my couch; I'm not tuned into the all the DT rotations in the NFL and study them enough to know who's available for fair value.

But I'd bet my house there were guys available out there that bad teams were willing to negotiate for in consideration for mid round picks.

[Billz4ever]

14 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree and with both Palmer & Davis likely to be in the mix soon only a guy like Waddle would have moved the WR bar.

 

 

 

What has Palmer showed that tells us he's the answer at boundary receiver?  We literally let Davis go because we didn't think he was the guy, now we bring him back after a torn meniscus thinking he is?  I just don't understand that thinking.

 

Shaheed was got for a 4th and a 5th. We gave up a 3rd last year for a washed Amari Cooper who scored a TD in his first game then basically went comms dark other than a pitch back to Josh Allen in a blowout game in the snow.

 

We basically have a WR room full of slot guys, our highest paid WR returning kicks, and a guy that does nothing but return kicks is a healthy scratch for multiple weeks now and is still occupying a roster spot for some reason.  Shaheed gave you a true field-stretching WR and return guy.  Simply doesn't make sense to me.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

I'm just a fan on my couch; I'm not tuned into the all the DT rotations in the NFL and study them enough to know who's available for fair value.

But I'd bet my house there were guys available out there that bad teams were willing to negotiate for in consideration for mid round picks.

Absolutely 

 

Like I said I do believe in our defensive tackle rotation and its ability to grow but there could be guys available for a third fourth or a fifth .. or a combination 

 

Obviously years remaining on their contract and the cap hit means something but they could have got a pure run stuffer if they were looking

[ngbills]

12 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

No question the Bills are a top team. All the teams, including the contenders, have holes to fill. The question is could/should they have made a move to better their chances. Obviously they thought not. We will be in a better position to evaluate their decision at year end.

And another early exit, especially in a year like this, you definitely have to look at the GM. Imagine losing in the playoffs and seeing a couple teams like DEN and NE go further. Or Indy with Jones as QB. Honestly losing to any of these AFC teams is a clear indictment of Beane failing to get this team over the hump. Josh Allen with James Cook with a solid and OL returning all its starters. And you lose to any of these AFC teams. No way to spin it. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

TJ Sanders was a high draft pick from an SEC school…it’s not unreasonable to expect an impact from him when he returns…same could be said of Jackson, I suppose…

Yeah we need him (sanders) to if someone else goes down.  I really liked sanders as a prospect and was really excited for him.  I thought he had a somewhat high floor and would contribute as a rookie. 
 

it sucks that the unit Beane invested the most in, is yet again devastated by injury.  
 

DreMont Jones is the only guy that was traded that we would’ve been capable of trading for.  We also would’ve had to give up more than the ravens due to their record being much worse.
 

Tough to hate on not trading for players that weren’t traded.   I wanted Calais Campbell in a big way. He wasn’t traded so I’m not going to be mad at him for not trading for him.  it wasn’t a great market.  

[MasterStrategist]

29 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'm just a fan on my couch; I'm not tuned into the all the DT rotations in the NFL and study them enough to know who's available for fair value.

But I'd bet my house there were guys available out there that bad teams were willing to negotiate for in consideration for mid round picks.

Sure, always players available

 

But as I said, TJ and Daquan will be back in next 2-3 weeks.  Maybe I shouldbe asked, were you expecting an upgrade on them?

 

We haven't seen enough of TJ, he flashed some pass rushing ability.  But if we make a trade for a DT, as you suggested, then we'd be at 6 in 2-3 weeks.  Phillips is a useful #4-5

[Billz4ever]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah we need him (sanders) to if someone else goes down.  I really liked sanders as a prospect and was really excited for him.  I thought he had a somewhat high floor and would contribute as a rookie. 
 

it sucks that the unit Beane invested the most in, is yet again devastated by injury.  
 

DreMont Jones is the only guy that was traded that we would’ve been capable of trading for.  We also would’ve had to give up more than the ravens due to their record being much worse.
 

Tough to hate on not trading for players that weren’t traded.   I wanted Calais Campbell in a big way. He wasn’t traded so I’m not going to be mad at him for not trading for him.  it wasn’t a great market.  

 

I think the worst part is not knowing what the Bills tried to do or didn't try to.  I find it difficult to believe that none of the teams who are basically out of playoff contention were not interested in making a deal for a mid round pick.  Is it possible? I guess, but just doesn't seem likely.

[BillsFanForever19]

I said for the past couple weeks that all of the pie in the sky options like BTJ, Chris Olave, A.J. Brown, Jaylen Waddle, Garrett Wilson, etc. weren't going anywhere.

 

That Rashid Shaheed and Jakobi Meyers would be the best and likely only options. And that the Dolphins and Jets wouldn't trade to us.

 

All of that rang true. But I still expected a move to be made for a Shaheed or a Meyers. And/or at least a move for a Defensive Tackle. I'm kind of taken aback that we did nothing.

 

I think the price for Shaheed and Meyers got too great for who they were and how long we'd have them. Seen a lot of people say "you couldn't match that?". We didn't have to match it, we'd have to beat it. Bc both the Seahawks and Jaguars are presumed to Draft higher than us. For us to get Shaheed, we'd have to pay something like a 3rd and a 4th to top the Seahawks. That's a LOT to pay for 8 games.

 

Another aspect of it is the situation we're going into in the offseason. As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far. As we have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa

- C Connor McGovern

- G David Edwards

- LB Matt Milano

- DT Daquan Jones

- DE AJ Epenesa

- CB Tre'Davious White

- LB Shaq Thompson 

- FB Reggie Gilliam

- DT Larry Ogunjobi

- WR Elijah Moore

- QB Mitch Trubisky

- CB Cam Lewis

- S Jordan Poyer

- S Damar Hamlin

- S Sam Franklin Jr.

- DT Jordan Phillips

- K Matt Prater

- P Mitch Wishnowsky

- P Cameron Johnston

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson

- OT Ryan Van Demark

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

And that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 24 with that. You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace their bodies on the 53 with cap or Draft Picks.

 

All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things. It's fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to make things complicated - but it doesn't change where we were.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

31 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

What has Palmer showed that tells us he's the answer at boundary receiver?  We literally let Davis go because we didn't think he was the guy, now we bring him back after a torn meniscus thinking he is?  I just don't understand that thinking.

 

Shaheed was got for a 4th and a 5th. We gave up a 3rd last year for a washed Amari Cooper who scored a TD in his first game then basically went comms dark other than a pitch back to Josh Allen in a blowout game in the snow.

 

We basically have a WR room full of slot guys, our highest paid WR returning kicks, and a guy that does nothing but return kicks is a healthy scratch for multiple weeks now and is still occupying a roster spot for some reason.  Shaheed gave you a true field-stretching WR and return guy.  Simply doesn't make sense to me.

I mean Davis got let go because he got a nice payday and we didn’t think he was worth that then he came back for peanuts lol. I don’t think that particular individual point is much of a mystery

 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

30 minutes ago, ngbills said:

And another early exit, especially in a year like this, you definitely have to look at the GM. Imagine losing in the playoffs and seeing a couple teams like DEN and NE go further. Or Indy with Jones as QB. Honestly losing to any of these AFC teams is a clear indictment of Beane failing to get this team over the hump. Josh Allen with James Cook with a solid and OL returning all its starters. And you lose to any of these AFC teams. No way to spin it. 

I hear you. There is more than one way to lose but if the defence holds up and the reason we fall short is clearly the inadequacy of the receiving corps and Brady's scheme for it, the GM will have to answer for it. I don't want to think that Beane's decision to not pursue (or land) a WR was made in whole or even in part out of a disinclination to admit a mistake. That would be unprofessional.

They've decided to stay the course and maybe they can make it work. Unless they can successfully open things up with the players they have I'd be sceptical but that's just one man's opinion for now.

Seattle got my guy. I like the looks of that team. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by starrymessenger

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I mean Davis got let go because he got a nice payday and we didn’t think he was worth that then he came back for peanuts lol. I don’t think that particular individual point is much of a mystery

 

 

 

 

They kept keeping him around trying to convince us he was a real WR2 when most of us already knew otherwise.  So what is he bringing to the table now? He's another JAG in what's a room full of mainly JAGs other than Shakir.  I was holding out hope for Palmer, but was probably just kidding myself.

[boyst]

Guys... It's my fault we didn't get anyone. In my haste to hit F5 it did Ctrl alt F4. 

[NoSaint]

I’ll say this… 

 

we hear a lot about how hard our run has been because we face every teams best week in and week out

 

today would’ve been an opportunity to make sure they see our best every week

[sven233]

Just looked it up because I was curious...... 

 

Our WRs, outside of Shakir, have totaled 723 yards.

There are currently 3 WRs in the NFL that have more than that total all by themselves and several more within striking distance of passing us as a team.

 

If that's not bad enough, even if you add in Shakir's yardage, the total is only 1122 yards.  For reference, JSN out in Seattle is only 174 yards BEHIND OUR ENTIRE WR CORPS ADDED TOGETHER for the season.  And Chase isn't that far behind him.

 

That's how bad our WR production is this year. If it weren't for Kincaid, we would be absolutely nowhere in the passing game.  Our WRs just ain't it and until Beane realizes that even Superman needs some help once in a while, we will be fighting an uphill battle that we shouldn't have to throw on Allen's back every single freaking year.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by sven233

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I’ll say this… 

 

we hear a lot about how hard our run has been because we face every teams best week in and week out

 

today would’ve been an opportunity to make sure they see our best every week

I don't know, it's all speculation... But from my point of view not even going for Shaheed with a fourth round pick really frustrates me. I'm sure we were having other conversations to get someone like waddle, wilson, or who knows who. But we didn't even try for Shaheed first.

 

We may swung for the fences but struck out on all phases. There weren't many positions to upgrade, and that upgrade would only be to rotation of players for a third, fourth, fifth round pick but there were moves we could have made that would have made sense

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

I don't know, it's all speculation... But from my point of view not even going for Shaheed with a fourth round pick really frustrates me. I'm sure we were having other conversations to get someone like waddle, wilson, or who knows who. But we didn't even try for Shaheed first.

 

We may swung for the fences but struck out on all phases. There weren't many positions to upgrade, and that upgrade would only be to rotation of players for a third, fourth, fifth round pick but there were moves we could have made that would have made sense

the shaheed one is what sticks with me most too. 
 

cheap pay, cheap picks, speed for days and opens a roster spot

 

the other consideration- on an expiring contract, we maybe could’ve gotten a mid rounder back even if we let him walk