Hate to say this … but the Pats are effing good

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Believe it or not against your Bills. Yes they consider that a 4th quarter game winning drive/comeback..  Yes he did and he does now with McDaniels but IMO Maye > Tannahill but I am biased.

 

and right now Maye is being way way hyped and he has earned it he has 6 games now in a row with a 100 or higher QB Rating. He is playing out of his mind, and yes most of those games were against inferior D’s Yesterday he faced statistically one of the top 3 D in the league and dropped 30 on them.. what’s funny to me is Bills fans were all over your D when they technically played better than Cleveland’s top 3 D against Maye.

A game winning drive and a comeback are not the same thing. A comeback is when they are down and comeback to win. Maye was not down in the Bills game, it was tied so does not qualify as a comeback

[Billsfanatic8989]

1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said:

A game winning drive and a comeback are not the same thing. A comeback is when they are down and comeback to win. Maye was not down in the Bills game, it was tied so does not qualify as a comeback

This. 

 

All the Patriots had to do was not turn it over. And worst case scenario the game goes into OT. Being able to score when you absolutely need to is a different beast. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Believe it or not against your Bills. Yes they consider that a 4th quarter game winning drive/comeback..  Yes he did and he does now with McDaniels but IMO Maye > Tannahill but I am biased.

 

and right now Maye is being way way hyped and he has earned it he has 6 games now in a row with a 100 or higher QB Rating. He is playing out of his mind, and yes most of those games were against inferior D’s Yesterday he faced statistically one of the top 3 D in the league and dropped 30 on them.. what’s funny to me is Bills fans were all over your D when they technically played better than Cleveland’s top 3 D against Maye.

Now I didn't watch that game obviously. Perhaps you can answer this. With Cleveland having such a poor offense, what kind of starting field position did the Pats have yesterday? How long were their drives?

[Bills fan since 87]

I think we are looking at a wild card this year, based on the remaining schedules for us and New England.  If that's the case I sure hope the Steelers hold onto the north because I suspect we will be the top wild card and that the 4th division winner will come from the AFC North.  Hate the idea of travelling to Baltimore to face a back from the dead Ravens; which, while looking at Pitt and Baltimores scheduels, I think is very much a reality.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

This. 

 

All the Patriots had to do was not turn it over. And worst case scenario the game goes into OT. Being able to score when you absolutely need to is a different beast. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He should have had that 2 times with the Steelers.. that game was such a mess with turnovers.. but it’s his first year full year and as a fan I don’t think I can expect him to play any better.. I wouldn’t want any other WB in the NFL outside of maybe 4 over him.  (Allen, Burrow, Mahomes) I am not saying he is top 5 now but outside of the Big 4 I can’t think of any WB I’d want over him including Hurts… (look at the talent he has at RB and WR and talk about a defense that’s scary)

5 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

I think we are looking at a wild card this year, based on the remaining schedules for us and New England.  If that's the case I sure hope the Steelers hold onto the north because I suspect we will be the top wild card and that the 4th division winner will come from the AFC North.  Hate the idea of travelling to Baltimore to face a back from the dead Ravens; which, while looking at Pitt and Baltimores scheduels, I think is very much a reality.

Only if Baltimore D can start holding other O under 40 points a game. Their D been beyond bad this year. Jackson (till he got hurt) was having a great year but every game was a shoot out. 

[PatsFanNH]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Now I didn't watch that game obviously. Perhaps you can answer this. With Cleveland having such a poor offense, what kind of starting field position did the Pats have yesterday? How long were their drives?

The 3 TDS were:

77 yards

6 yards (INT return to the 6)

81 yards

 

3 FG:

 

55 yards (36 yard FG)

52 yards (32 yard FG)

54 yards (42 yard FG)

 

So outside the INT the rest were long drives.

[jkeerie]

I just realized, the Pats have their bye week in week 14.  Guess who they play after their bye?  

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Bro, this is an outside possibility at best, imho. You’re entitled to your opinion, but let’s pump the brakes on this as an outcome until the Patsies have proven their staying power under this regime! Vrable in TN did less than McD has here, IIRC…

Vrable got the #1 seed with Tanahill. 

[zow2]

3 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I just realized, the Pats have their bye week in week 14.  Guess who they play after their bye?  

 

They have the bye week, but we have the revenge angle from the first meeting.  They will cancel each other out.

[Alphadawg7]

16 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The one thing Maye has over Allen is a lethal deep ball. He was dropping buckets the entire day. 

 

THIS.  There is this urban legend that Allen has a great deep ball and that all we need is a deep guy.  But its really his worst throw, even on completions he leaves the ball someplace its tough for YAC.  Queue someone responding with a clip of the Davis throw against the Steelers or something like 5 years ago while ignoring the plethora of missed throws, INT's, or poor throws that were completed but left yards/points on the field because he didn't hit the wide open guy in stride.  

 

I am one of Allens biggest fans, but his bread and butter is not the deep ball.  His best version of shots down field are the ropes he can throw 20-30 yards that most other QB's just can't or his scramble drill throws.  But sitting in the pocket and taking deep shots is not his strong suit. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Vrable got the #1 seed with Tanahill. 

He also went to the AFCCG lol.

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

He also went to the AFCCG lol.

Exactly. Also with Tannahill. Not sure how that poster could say McD has done more…and with Allen. 

[Jeffbigalls]

6 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Everyone is saying the Bills have an easy schedule, but look

at the pats!   They have a cakewalk.    They are essentially a half game up on the Bills and barely beat them due to the Bills shooting them selves in the foot.    I am not worried about the Pats.  

Lol as Josh McDaniels Said you haven't seen anything yet. 

1 hour ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Vrabel is a good coach. 10x better than McDermott? Not sure I'd go that far. McDermott has missed the postseason once in eight years. And has been to two AFC title games. 

Absolutely probably closer to 25x

4 hours ago, 50yrpatsfan said:

The odds are that NE is gonna win the division. They're solid, not falling apart, and the Bills have a much more difficult schedule. The rematch in Foxboro should be very interesting. Everyone knew that KC, Buffalo, and probably LA would be in the AFC hunt, but nobody saw Denver, Indy, or NE. It's a 6 team race. Probably Indy gets the 1-seed, they also have a favorable schedule.  

I like that the pats get to play that game off the bye

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

 

They have the bye week, but we have the revenge angle from the first meeting.  They will cancel each other out.

I just hate playing teams after their byes.  I hope you're right and we are healthy.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

The world where the Bills are better off without stiff AFC East competition does not exist. 

[TheFunPolice]

Drake Maye is being ridiculously overhyped. 

 

For crying out loud, the kid already has a SB ring (won on SNF against the Bills) and is about to be fitted for a gold jacket. 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

THIS.  There is this urban legend that Allen has a great deep ball and that all we need is a deep guy.  But its really his worst throw, even on completions he leaves the ball someplace its tough for YAC.  Queue someone responding with a clip of the Davis throw against the Steelers or something like 5 years ago while ignoring the plethora of missed throws, INT's, or poor throws that were completed but left yards/points on the field because he didn't hit the wide open guy in stride.  

 

I am one of Allens biggest fans, but his bread and butter is not the deep ball.  His best version of shots down field are the ropes he can throw 20-30 yards that most other QB's just can't or his scramble drill throws.  But sitting in the pocket and taking deep shots is not his strong suit. 

Hate to say it, but Allen is NOT THE BEST at leading his receiver. How many times do receivers get immediately tackled upon completing the pass? I remember Diggs getting hit constantly. He’s definitely improved these past 2 years, I just don’t think he has that natural accuracy like a Brees or Maye. Which is fine because he has so many other awesome qualities. 👍
 

Edit: you know who had a freakin’ phenomenal deep ball?? JP Losman 

Edited 16 minutes ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Mat68]

Maye is playing good.  Not elite or flashy but good.   Vrabel is a very good coach.  Has the team believing and playing hard.  They also have and will experience positive game script.  Once the game script changes I'm not sure they have enough to sustain.  Mac Jones beat the Bills multiple times too.  I expect the next meeting to look like the other times Allen played them in a got to have it spot.     

Edited 10 minutes ago by Mat68

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Sadly I think from what I have seen so far with Allen being a bit off this year, Maye has been better in more than just deep passes than Allen. Nothing more outrageous than the Pats returning to prominence so fast. They really need another decade at least in NFL irrelevance. That would be karma.

I’m one of those ppl that needs to see multiple years of great production before I’m sold. The Patriots schedule is a joke. The only remaining elite team they face is Tampa. 

 

 

 

[Billsfanatic8989]

Maye will be a Trevor Lawrence type QB in the future. Jmo. Not top ten. Top fifteen maybe. Will need alot of support to win a SB.